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I might not be able to add VODs until tomorrow, if anyone sees them being put up and sees I haven't posted yet, feel free to post them here.
In either case, VODs should be findable through the link to the VOD playlist by GOM in the OP.
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On February 12 2014 21:47 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 21:43 samurai80 wrote:On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were:
- Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs)
- Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans)
- Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16") Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf... Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually. Yeah but balance should be much better today than 2 years ago.
Statistically, it's more natural to have some balance variations on short periods of time. The shorter the period, the more variations in race distribution. From a pure statistical point of view, it is more acceptable to allow these statistical variations on a shorter period of time than on a longer one, as the sample size is smaller. In 2011, you say the game was still young, maybe, but it was also a bigger sample size.
Now from a starcraft player point of view, I agree blink looks op on certain maps, and the msc range might have something to do with it. This is correct to deal with the imbalance occuring now, I just wished people in 2011 reacted the same way we do now, not pretending "protoss are just noobs, they deserve to lose"...
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On February 12 2014 21:48 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf The situation isn't comparable to the one we have today. Back then, it was only in code S that terrans were dominanted
No it was the case for pretty much all the bigger events where a lot of koreans were involved. Even the overall balance chart shows it.
Edit : (http://aligulac.com/reports/balance/ -> performance difference).
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On February 12 2014 21:50 Philozovic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 21:43 samurai80 wrote:On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were:
- Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs)
- Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans)
- Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16") Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf... Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually. To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up. There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever.
Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
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On February 12 2014 22:00 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 21:50 Philozovic wrote:On February 12 2014 21:43 samurai80 wrote:On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were:
- Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs)
- Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans)
- Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16") Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf... Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually. To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up. There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever. Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
Yeah Kespa's terran problems started already in late BW, and with Flash and Fantasy both adapting poorly to SC2, there's not many terrans left for them. To top it off, almost all non-kespa terran talent simply doesn't participate in GSL. This low terran count in GSL is probably a trend we'll see continue in the future simply because the old Code S players left for EU and NA.
Somehow I ended up re-iterating your post, but I just want to say I agree. :p
There are some potential GSL stars for the future though, like TY. But right now they're not quite there.
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On February 12 2014 22:09 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 22:00 DiMano wrote:On February 12 2014 21:50 Philozovic wrote:On February 12 2014 21:43 samurai80 wrote:On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were:
- Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs)
- Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans)
- Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16") Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf... Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually. To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up. There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever. Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice. Yeah Kespa's terran problems started already in late BW, and with Flash and Fantasy both adapting poorly to SC2, there's not many terrans left for them. To top it off, almost all non-kespa terran talent simply doesn't participate in GSL. This low terran count in GSL is probably a trend we'll see continue in the future simply because the old Code S players left for EU and NA. Somehow I ended up re-iterating your post, but I just want to say I agree. :p There are some potential GSL stars for the future though, like TY. But right now they're not quite there.
Yeah, regarding the korean scene it looks right indeed.
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Whhhhat, can it be?
Haha, I went to sleep last night sadly thinking soO had no chance against 2 toss :D
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On February 12 2014 22:32 tili wrote:
Whhhhat, can it be?
Haha, I went to sleep last night sadly thinking soO had no chance against 2 toss :D
he took two maps off dear last GSL finals, better vP than soulkey 
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2 toss to advance. Ruin & sOs imo!
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On February 12 2014 23:22 Twine wrote:
2 toss to advance. Ruin & sOs imo!
You realise the games were played already, right?
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On February 12 2014 22:09 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 22:00 DiMano wrote:On February 12 2014 21:50 Philozovic wrote:On February 12 2014 21:43 samurai80 wrote:On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were:
- Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs)
- Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans)
- Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16") Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf... Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually. To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up. There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever. Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice. Yeah Kespa's terran problems started already in late BW, and with Flash and Fantasy both adapting poorly to SC2, there's not many terrans left for them. To top it off, almost all non-kespa terran talent simply doesn't participate in GSL. This low terran count in GSL is probably a trend we'll see continue in the future simply because the old Code S players left for EU and NA. Somehow I ended up re-iterating your post, but I just want to say I agree. :p There are some potential GSL stars for the future though, like TY. But right now they're not quite there.
You know what happened to those non-Kespa terrans that are in WCS NA and EU that all the protoss claim are the TvP saviors(Jjakji, Polt, Bomber, Taeja)? They were outperformed by non-Kespa protosses that also play in WCS NA/EU (MC, San, Stardust) at IEM and ASUS. You could make the arguement that if we had all the Koreans back in GSL, we would have MORE protosses.
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On February 12 2014 22:00 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 21:50 Philozovic wrote:On February 12 2014 21:43 samurai80 wrote:On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were:
- Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs)
- Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans)
- Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16") Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf... Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually. To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up. There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever. Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
Why are you looking at OSL performance? I think it is pretty much known that being at the top of BW doesn't really translate to SC2. Look at Jangbi, Stork, Bisu. Most of the top Kespa Ps were mid tier at best. Dear, sOs, herO, Rain (who was up and coming I guess) Trap, Zest, Sora. It is successful Zergs that have translated the most.
So maybe you need to work on your 'analysis'.
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On February 12 2014 23:57 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 22:09 Kasaraki wrote:On February 12 2014 22:00 DiMano wrote:On February 12 2014 21:50 Philozovic wrote:On February 12 2014 21:43 samurai80 wrote:On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were:
- Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs)
- Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans)
- Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16") Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf... Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually. To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up. There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever. Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice. Yeah Kespa's terran problems started already in late BW, and with Flash and Fantasy both adapting poorly to SC2, there's not many terrans left for them. To top it off, almost all non-kespa terran talent simply doesn't participate in GSL. This low terran count in GSL is probably a trend we'll see continue in the future simply because the old Code S players left for EU and NA. Somehow I ended up re-iterating your post, but I just want to say I agree. :p There are some potential GSL stars for the future though, like TY. But right now they're not quite there. You know what happened to those non-Kespa terrans that are in WCS NA and EU that all the protoss claim are the TvP saviors(Jjakji, Polt, Bomber, Taeja)? They were outperformed by non-Kespa protosses that also play in WCS NA/EU (MC, San, Stardust) at IEM and ASUS. You could make the arguement that if we had all the Koreans back in GSL, we would have MORE protosses.
Fair point.  I don't quite agree, but I get your point. I do think that the current metagame seems to favour protoss though, but such things change.
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On February 13 2014 00:28 Marcinko wrote:I'm  soO happy!
That soort of creativity will lead us to ruin
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What's up with the VoDs these days on Twitch? Shit is all messed up and it takes forever to get them up..
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