(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend soO vs Panic game 2?
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (6)
38%
★★★ - Good game (4)
25%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
19%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
6%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend soO vs Panic game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend soO vs Panic game 3?
★★★ - Good game (7)
54%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (3)
23%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend soO vs Panic game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Ruin vs sOs game 2?
★★★ - Good game (11)
73%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
7%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
7%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
7%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
7%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs sOs game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Ruin vs sOs game 3?
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (3)
27%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
27%
★★★ - Good game (2)
18%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs sOs game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend winner's match game 2?
★★★ - Good game (11)
44%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (6)
24%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (4)
16%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
12%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
4%
25 total votes
Your vote: Recommend winner's match game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend winner's match game 3?
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (9)
47%
★★★ - Good game (3)
16%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
16%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
16%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
5%
19 total votes
Your vote: Recommend winner's match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend loser's match game 2?
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (4)
44%
★★★ - Good game (2)
22%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
22%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
11%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend loser's match game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend loser's match game 3?
★★★ - Good game (4)
67%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend loser's match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend final match game 2?
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (4)
80%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend final match game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend final match game 3?
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
33%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
33%
★★★ - Good game (1)
33%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend final match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
I wonder if sOs' Blizzcon win was too much to handle for him. I'm guessing he has a lot of pressure to perform from that win, which is evident from his recent SPL games.
the obvious choices to advance are sos and soo but considering the current meta you cannot never count out any protoss. not much recent record on soo's zvp other than a notable win against trap in spl and loss to myungsik
On February 07 2014 23:06 MCMXVI wrote: I wonder if sOs' Blizzcon win was too much to handle for him. I'm guessing he has a lot of pressure to perform from that win, which is evident from his recent SPL games.
Nah, he has 2-6 with losing to every kind of cheese already :D Including proxy factories on Sejong, DTs on Sejong, in-base bunkers on Belshir and even tons of zerglings on Belshir as well. At least, his losses to Solar showed us that there is smartass Zerg who's like hybrid of MC and Nestea.
It won't be 32-15 from last season i guess, but he will become better and better.
But in individual leagues i don't see anything bad. He smashed his Code A group, he almost qualified for IEM Cologne (Rain, fuck you with your dark templars :D).
soO and sOs to qualify, i don't care who will be first and who will be second, they're both cute and nice <3 sOs 4-1, soO 5-2, ok.
Just can't feel the hype around Code S this season. Like this group, should be "LAST YEARS BEST PLAYER YOOO DROPPED THE OTHERS IN THE WCS FINALS LIKE HE WAS REDEYE HOLDING A CE BOX!" but all I feel is, well, eeeh, it's in Korea... I guess... Not been the greatest of games so far either, guess that hasn't helped.
But hey, at least there's plenty of other places to hope for great games as well.
On paper Code S has never looked so boring . Two random protoss , sOs , SoO .
And one can never be sure, random people you never heard of could bring the best games of the season.
On February 07 2014 23:06 MCMXVI wrote: I wonder if sOs' Blizzcon win was too much to handle for him. I'm guessing he has a lot of pressure to perform from that win, which is evident from his recent SPL games.
Nah, he has 2-6 with losing to every kind of cheese already :D Including proxy factories on Sejong, DTs on Sejong, in-base bunkers on Belshir and even tons of zerglings on Belshir as well. At least, his losses to Solar showed us that there is smartass Zerg who's like hybrid of MC and Nestea.
It won't be 32-15 from last season i guess, but he will become better and better.
But in individual leagues i don't see anything bad. He smashed his Code A group, he almost qualified for IEM Cologne (Rain, fuck you with your dark templars :D).
soO and sOs to qualify, i don't care who will be first and who will be second, they're both cute and nice <3 sOs 4-1, soO 5-2, ok.
I was going to say the same thing about sOs :D sOs seems to deliver way better in individual tournaments than in SPL where he always gets sniped. Bo1 is too few for sOs's creativity to shine. Bo3 gets better. If he somehow gets into top 8 (got some doubt in that), he actually gets a better chance to win the rest of the Bo5/7's.
Quoting from Scarlett, "Tossimba!" :D All zergies should take the same fate as other Terrans. That's why you get soulkey. sOs and Ruin ftw. Make that 15 + Maru happen!
sOs has the #1 headband! - sOs is at ~ 26.99 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 77.26 % of the time sOs wins and their chances go up to ~ 34.94 %. ~ 22.74 % of the time sOs loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - soO is at ~ 4.70 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 46.59 % of the time soO wins and their chances go up to ~ 10.08 %. ~ 53.41 % of the time soO loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Panic is at ~ 3.55 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 47.00 % of the time Panic wins and their chances go up to ~ 7.55 %. ~ 53.00 % of the time Panic loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Ruin is at ~ 0.86 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 29.15 % of the time Ruin wins and their chances go up to ~ 2.94 %. ~ 70.85 % of the time Ruin loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %.
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
I am pretty sure you are correct. Despite the shitstorm around BL/Infestor I distinctly remember October as the most imbalanced season for racial distribution for both the ro32 (20/32 Terrans) and ro16 (10/16)
On February 07 2014 22:49 raga4ka wrote: On paper Code S has never looked so boring . Two random protoss , sOs , SoO . I hope the games at least are at a good level.
I would personally love a 15-toss ro16. That would just be too funny. Then maybe blizz would actually fully address the protoss problem instead of dinky little changes like 10 seconds off PO and the recent increase in time warp energy cost, which imo are far from being enough to balance PvX.
On February 08 2014 05:39 j00pdaw00p wrote: I would personally love a 15-toss ro16. That would just be too funny. Then maybe blizz would actually fully address the protoss problem instead of dinky little changes like 10 seconds off PO and the recent increase in time warp energy cost, which imo are far from being enough to balance PvX.
Obviously it will be Roro/Soulkey vs Maru in the finals just so they don't have to do anything 'bout anything.
Trying to predict a group with 3 protosses can be a bit precarious, but I don't think that Ruin or Panic have the PvP skills to make it out. soO in first, SoS in second - that's my guess.
Man that shit doesn't look interesting in the slightest to me :'( That's a shame. I'll go watch the last played Terran game. Yes, Reality vs Soulkey. Quite telling.
On February 12 2014 03:36 ZenithM wrote: Man that shit doesn't look interesting in the slightest to me :'( That's a shame. I'll go watch the last played Terran game. Yes, Reality vs Soulkey. Quite telling.
KT would have fielded 2 Terrans if they had to play more of their line-up, and you can't fault SKT for not sending out Terran when they have Rain/Parting/Soulkey/Classic/soO.
On February 12 2014 03:36 ZenithM wrote: Man that shit doesn't look interesting in the slightest to me :'( That's a shame. I'll go watch the last played Terran game. Yes, Reality vs Soulkey. Quite telling.
Has the vod finished processing for that yet?
This group looks really meh, combined with the constant sarcastic remarks Tastetosis are using lately I doubt I will watch a lot, probably muted
On February 12 2014 03:36 ZenithM wrote: Man that shit doesn't look interesting in the slightest to me :'( That's a shame. I'll go watch the last played Terran game. Yes, Reality vs Soulkey. Quite telling.
Has the vod finished processing for that yet?
This group looks really meh, combined with the constant sarcastic remarks Tastetosis are using lately I doubt I will watch a lot, probably muted
Oh don't pretend that these matches aren't going to be awesome! If you're not happy, you don't like e-sport, kittens and the sound of child's laughter.
On February 12 2014 09:16 The_Templar wrote: imo 14 protoss, bbyong, soO in Ro16, followed by bbyong vs soO finals
I think we have 13 toss, soulkey, roro and maru in the ro16
Anyway I just checked and 1 of Maru, Hydra, and Symbol have to be in the ro16 so 13 toss, bbyong, soO, Hydra. Hydra gets amazing at ZvP again and suddenly we have a Hydra, Sora, soO, bbyong semis
On February 12 2014 09:16 The_Templar wrote: imo 14 protoss, bbyong, soO in Ro16, followed by bbyong vs soO finals
I think we have 13 toss, soulkey, roro and maru in the ro16
Anyway I just checked and 1 of Maru, Hydra, and Symbol have to be in the ro16 so 13 toss, bbyong, soO, Hydra. Hydra gets amazing at ZvP again and suddenly we have a Hydra, Sora, soO, bbyong semis
well yeah maru obviously advances there finals will be roro vs the runner up btw
sOs, soO will advance hopefully. I feel sOs has been crushing in individual leagues. his 35-15 SPL record last season will be even better this season in round 2, it will be undefeated from here on out! Maybe a loss here and there, but still! Undefeated!
sOs will advance in 1st, of course.
soO will advance in second, after some really nice games from Panic and Ruin(who showed in Code A he has some pretty cool builds in PvZ when given time to prepare).
Unfortunately this Code S season has been ruined by everyone bitching about Protoss constantly. I guarantee you if it were Terran, or Zerg, who were over represented everyone wouldn't be saying shit and just looking forward to the good games.
On February 12 2014 15:27 ArTiFaKs wrote: Unfortunately this Code S season has been ruined by everyone bitching about Protoss constantly. I guarantee you if it were Terran, or Zerg, who were over represented everyone wouldn't be saying shit and just looking forward to the good games.
I doubt that. The whine was endless during the BL/Infestor era with people feeling it necessary at every turn to announce their displeasure of each ZvZ final (which were mostly awesome btw).
TvT even caught shit way back in GomTvT 2011 for being flooded with hellions and for its great length. It wasn't always as action-packed as it is today.
Wouldn't be Korean sc2 if one of sOs or SoO didnt get knocked out of Code S so early. They were huge last year. Or watch as sOs smashes through despite going 2-6(7?) in Proleague.
On February 12 2014 15:27 ArTiFaKs wrote: sOs, soO will advance hopefully. I feel sOs has been crushing in individual leagues. his 35-15 SPL record last season will be even better this season in round 2, it will be undefeated from here on out! Maybe a loss here and there, but still! Undefeated!
sOs will advance in 1st, of course.
soO will advance in second, after some really nice games from Panic and Ruin(who showed in Code A he has some pretty cool builds in PvZ when given time to prepare).
Unfortunately this Code S season has been ruined by everyone bitching about Protoss constantly. I guarantee you if it were Terran, or Zerg, who were over represented everyone wouldn't be saying shit and just looking forward to the good games.
Yeah ppl dont enjoy watching PvP and PvZ so much. Its that simple and isnt something that happened recently. Add to that the fact that many of these players are "new" to alot of ppl in the sense that they arent old esf GSL guys whos style and history you are familiar with and recognize and find some enjoyment watching them even though you dont like the matchups. Alot of ppl will still tune in for the quality of play (many boring games but these guys are insanely skilled) and once in a while you get a entertaining game. One can also take the chance to learn abit more about these guys because many of them are here to stay even if the nerf hammer drops.
But ppl will inevitably bring up how they feel about these matchups when games get boring and they start thinking about what cold have been and how good sc2 at this level can be. And I dont blame them.
On February 12 2014 15:27 ArTiFaKs wrote: Unfortunately this Code S season has been ruined by everyone bitching about Protoss constantly. I guarantee you if it were Terran, or Zerg, who were over represented everyone wouldn't be saying shit and just looking forward to the good games.
I doubt that. The whine was endless during the BL/Infestor era with people feeling it necessary at every turn to announce their displeasure of each ZvZ final (which were mostly awesome btw).
TvT even caught shit way back in GomTvT 2011 for being flooded with hellions and for its great length. It wasn't always as action-packed as it is today.
Yeah, the whine was damn loud back then too. I doubt it was substantively any different to now.
Protoss should take the hate as a compliment.
(Besides, it may not be for much longer as the race is in the crosshairs of the nerf-gun. Enjoy it while it lasts.)
There's a part of me that wants to see the 15 Protoss + Maru Ro16. It'd be a memorable GSL for sure. Every Protoss just practicing PvP and not so much PvT. Maru can just dedicate his life to TvP and wipe them all.
100% Protoss in Ro16 is impossible thanks to group F. It is also mathmatically possible for no protosses to advance after today's group, but very unlikely.
Well sOs is miles better than any of these on paper? Even with his poor form in ProLeague i would still back him as favorite to take first place with even a 4-0 record.
On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
;o Guess its opinions, i see them still the best of the bunch. I mean as in casting/calling the game they are all pretty much equal, but in the 10minute fillers of games where nothing but building drones/probes/scvs happen they bring the best entertainment to a stream over the others. Thats why i see them as the best, keep you engaged all the time.
On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
;o Guess its opinions, i see them still the best of the bunch. I mean as in casting/calling the game they are all pretty much equal, but in the 10minute fillers of games where nothing but building drones/probes/scvs happen they bring the best entertainment to a stream over the others. Thats why i see them as the best, keep you engaged all the time.
keeps me tuned out all the time lol, it's 90% the same stuff *shrug
On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
;o Guess its opinions, i see them still the best of the bunch. I mean as in casting/calling the game they are all pretty much equal, but in the 10minute fillers of games where nothing but building drones/probes/scvs happen they bring the best entertainment to a stream over the others. Thats why i see them as the best, keep you engaged all the time.
I dont watch them because Tasteless voice somehow makes me aggresive, it annoys me to no end. Also the same stuff you mentioned I find annyoing, so to each their own
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On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
;o Guess its opinions, i see them still the best of the bunch. I mean as in casting/calling the game they are all pretty much equal, but in the 10minute fillers of games where nothing but building drones/probes/scvs happen they bring the best entertainment to a stream over the others. Thats why i see them as the best, keep you engaged all the time.
keeps me tuned out all the time lol, it's 90% the same stuff *shrug
The best to listen to is obviously Wolf-Khaldor. They're the only two who engage the LR report thread. Oh and Bitterdam and Tod do it too.
On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
;o Guess its opinions, i see them still the best of the bunch. I mean as in casting/calling the game they are all pretty much equal, but in the 10minute fillers of games where nothing but building drones/probes/scvs happen they bring the best entertainment to a stream over the others. Thats why i see them as the best, keep you engaged all the time.
keeps me tuned out all the time lol, it's 90% the same stuff *shrug
The best to listen to is obviously Wolf-Khaldor. They're the only two who engage the LR report thread.
And Khaldor being wrong about 80% of what he says is funny
On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
;o Guess its opinions, i see them still the best of the bunch. I mean as in casting/calling the game they are all pretty much equal, but in the 10minute fillers of games where nothing but building drones/probes/scvs happen they bring the best entertainment to a stream over the others. Thats why i see them as the best, keep you engaged all the time.
keeps me tuned out all the time lol, it's 90% the same stuff *shrug
The best to listen to is obviously Wolf-Khaldor. They're the only two who engage the LR report thread. Oh and Bitterdam and Tod do it too.
yeah i quite enjoy the other korean duos, just not tastosis hrmm
On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
;o Guess its opinions, i see them still the best of the bunch. I mean as in casting/calling the game they are all pretty much equal, but in the 10minute fillers of games where nothing but building drones/probes/scvs happen they bring the best entertainment to a stream over the others. Thats why i see them as the best, keep you engaged all the time.
keeps me tuned out all the time lol, it's 90% the same stuff *shrug
The best to listen to is obviously Wolf-Khaldor. They're the only two who engage the LR report thread.
And Khaldor being wrong about 80% of what he says is funny
On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
;o Guess its opinions, i see them still the best of the bunch. I mean as in casting/calling the game they are all pretty much equal, but in the 10minute fillers of games where nothing but building drones/probes/scvs happen they bring the best entertainment to a stream over the others. Thats why i see them as the best, keep you engaged all the time.
keeps me tuned out all the time lol, it's 90% the same stuff *shrug
The best to listen to is obviously Wolf-Khaldor. They're the only two who engage the LR report thread. Oh and Bitterdam and Tod do it too.
ToD had no choice because he made me make all the threads and i forced him too xD
On February 12 2014 18:26 Destructicon wrote: I find it fanny that Artosis keeps banging on about how the coach will shout at Panic, when ST released their entire coaching staff like 1 month ago.
On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
;o Guess its opinions, i see them still the best of the bunch. I mean as in casting/calling the game they are all pretty much equal, but in the 10minute fillers of games where nothing but building drones/probes/scvs happen they bring the best entertainment to a stream over the others. Thats why i see them as the best, keep you engaged all the time.
keeps me tuned out all the time lol, it's 90% the same stuff *shrug
The best to listen to is obviously Wolf-Khaldor. They're the only two who engage the LR report thread. Oh and Bitterdam and Tod do it too.
ToD had no choice because he made me make all the threads and i forced him too xD
On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
;o Guess its opinions, i see them still the best of the bunch. I mean as in casting/calling the game they are all pretty much equal, but in the 10minute fillers of games where nothing but building drones/probes/scvs happen they bring the best entertainment to a stream over the others. Thats why i see them as the best, keep you engaged all the time.
keeps me tuned out all the time lol, it's 90% the same stuff *shrug
The best to listen to is obviously Wolf-Khaldor. They're the only two who engage the LR report thread. Oh and Bitterdam and Tod do it too.
ToD had no choice because he made me make all the threads and i forced him too xD
haha what shoutouts did he do?
Well he said he was going to do them, i couldn't watch the weekend ones so im not sure xD He was spamming me to moderate his stream on the day Rottie couldn't cast and stuff. Was fun though.
On February 12 2014 18:15 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Is there any Korean stream we can watch from outside korea? ;o
You don't want to watch Tastosis ;o blasphemy
eh tbh i'd rather watch many caster duos over tastosis, i consistently watched monte and doa over them last year, but that's probably i watch so much tastosis it gets boring lol
;o Guess its opinions, i see them still the best of the bunch. I mean as in casting/calling the game they are all pretty much equal, but in the 10minute fillers of games where nothing but building drones/probes/scvs happen they bring the best entertainment to a stream over the others. Thats why i see them as the best, keep you engaged all the time.
keeps me tuned out all the time lol, it's 90% the same stuff *shrug
The best to listen to is obviously Wolf-Khaldor. They're the only two who engage the LR report thread. Oh and Bitterdam and Tod do it too.
ToD had no choice because he made me make all the threads and i forced him too xD
haha what shoutouts did he do?
Well he said he was going to do them, i couldn't watch the weekend ones so im not sure xD He was spamming me to moderate his stream on the day Rottie couldn't cast and stuff. Was fun though.
He does them. He picks out random analysis he likes or jokes.
On February 12 2014 18:29 Ragnarork wrote: Alright i'll try to do some LR, don't be rude, first time.
GSL Code S group Ro32 group C soO 1 - 0 Panic Yeonsu
soO bottom left Panic top right - gate, gas for panic. - hatch first I believe - second gas for panic. - third hatch !
4:00 - natural nexus started for Panic - warp gate started - macro macro macro for soO, still no gas - panic walls his nat with gate + stargate - phoenix started - soO still on 0 gas
On February 12 2014 18:29 Ragnarork wrote: Alright i'll try to do some LR, don't be rude, first time.
GSL Code S group Ro32 group C soO 1 - 0 Panic Yeonsu
soO bottom left Panic top right - gate, gas for panic. - hatch first I believe - second gas for panic. - third hatch !
4:00 - natural nexus started for Panic - warp gate started - macro macro macro for soO, still no gas - panic walls his nat with gate + stargate - phoenix started - soO still on 0 gas
7:00 - phoenix hunts OV around the map - 4 gases down for soO - phoenixes pick a few drones - forge, +1 ground attack for panic - lair started for soO - 5-6 phoenixes wandering on the map, trying to pick drones and ovies - third nexus for Panic
On February 12 2014 18:26 Destructicon wrote: I find it fanny that Artosis keeps banging on about how the coach will shout at Panic, when ST released their entire coaching staff like 1 month ago.
Coach Hirai can shout at him now
Hirai doesn't shout at his players, he just tells his wife not to cook for them
On February 12 2014 18:29 Ragnarork wrote: Alright i'll try to do some LR, don't be rude, first time.
GSL Code S group Ro32 group C soO 1 - 0 Panic Yeonsu
soO bottom left Panic top right - gate, gas for panic. - hatch first I believe - second gas for panic. - third hatch !
4:00 - natural nexus started for Panic - warp gate started - macro macro macro for soO, still no gas - panic walls his nat with gate + stargate - phoenix started - soO still on 0 gas
7:00 - phoenix hunts OV around the map - 4 gases down for soO - phoenixes pick a few drones - forge, +1 ground attack for panic - lair started for soO - 5-6 phoenixes wandering on the map, trying to pick drones and ovies - third nexus for Panic
10:00 - infestation pit started for soO - ~30 zerglings on the map - panic has quite a lot of sentries - + 1 melee, + 1 armor finish for soO - swarmhosts being made for soO - + 2 ground for Panic finishes - small skirmish near panic's third - panic kills a few lings and queens, and pushes toward soO fourth ignoring the SH
Wow this just proves how bad PvZ is of a match up. It looks so bad. soO investing in SH to early and Panic randomly out in the map with like 20 stalkers and 8 sentries cleaning house :s
Blizzard need to hurry up on LotV and just remove the SH for that expansion and revisit a unit like the Lurker instead, would be much easier to define yet still give Zerg that kind of option for a stealth unit they wanted to give them >.<
On February 12 2014 18:29 Ragnarork wrote: Alright i'll try to do some LR, don't be rude, first time.
GSL Code S group Ro32 group C soO 1 - 0 Panic Yeonsu
soO bottom left Panic top right - gate, gas for panic. - hatch first I believe - second gas for panic. - third hatch !
4:00 - natural nexus started for Panic - warp gate started - macro macro macro for soO, still no gas - panic walls his nat with gate + stargate - phoenix started - soO still on 0 gas
7:00 - phoenix hunts OV around the map - 4 gases down for soO - phoenixes pick a few drones - forge, +1 ground attack for panic - lair started for soO - 5-6 phoenixes wandering on the map, trying to pick drones and ovies - third nexus for Panic
10:00 - infestation pit started for soO - ~30 zerglings on the map - panic has quite a lot of sentries - + 1 melee, + 1 armor finish for soO - swarmhosts being made for soO - + 2 ground for Panic finishes - small skirmish near panic's third - panic kills a few lings and queens, and pushes toward soO fourth ignoring the SH
14:00 - panic pokes and recall once cornered in soO's base - +3 ground started for Panic, adds a Robo - SHs siegieng Panic's third - colossus bay started for Panic - + 2 melee and ground for soO, greater spire building - colossus , and thermolance researching - a warpprism tries to harrass, repelled by corrupters - mostly stalkers and a few colossi for Panic
On February 12 2014 18:40 Pandemona wrote: 30 stalkers on the field......i'll go Blords? WUT
Stalkers do shit to Broodlords, dude, when BL numbers are high. The Broodlings mean they never get close enough. Often not even with a suicide blink. You need Templar and SkyToss to take on a good number of Broodlords.
Locusts are so good and hydras are so bad so nowadays people just skip the hydras and go melee upgrades with SHs to be ready for BL/ultras because locusts don't even need the upgrades, lol.
So this is the first time I've watched GSL live this season. After watching Proleague for a while, the difference made by stronger team colours is enormous. Everything just looks so much better.
On February 12 2014 18:29 Ragnarork wrote: Alright i'll try to do some LR, don't be rude, first time.
GSL Code S group Ro32 group C soO 1 - 0 Panic Yeonsu
soO bottom left Panic top right - gate, gas for panic. - hatch first I believe - second gas for panic. - third hatch !
4:00 - natural nexus started for Panic - warp gate started - macro macro macro for soO, still no gas - panic walls his nat with gate + stargate - phoenix started - soO still on 0 gas
7:00 - phoenix hunts OV around the map - 4 gases down for soO - phoenixes pick a few drones - forge, +1 ground attack for panic - lair started for soO - 5-6 phoenixes wandering on the map, trying to pick drones and ovies - third nexus for Panic
10:00 - infestation pit started for soO - ~30 zerglings on the map - panic has quite a lot of sentries - + 1 melee, + 1 armor finish for soO - swarmhosts being made for soO - + 2 ground for Panic finishes - small skirmish near panic's third - panic kills a few lings and queens, and pushes toward soO fourth ignoring the SH
14:00 - panic pokes and recall once cornered in soO's base - +3 ground started for Panic, adds a Robo - SHs siegieng Panic's third - colossus bay started for Panic - + 2 melee and ground for soO, greater spire building - colossus , and thermolance researching - a warpprism tries to harrass, repelled by corrupters - mostly stalkers and a few colossi for Panic
19:00 - Panic engages soO SH - Armies poke at each other at Panic's third ramp - DT shrine for Panic, adds colossi - soO has BL and pushes towards Panic's third - zealot warp in in soO's 4th - dat zergling blocking panic's 4th - soO engages panic's army at the 3rd's ramp - zealots take down soO's 4th, roaches are too late to save it - soO has broken Panic's third, chases Panic's army around the map
On February 12 2014 18:43 FuRong wrote: So this is the first time I've watched GSL live this season. After watching Proleague for a while, the difference made by stronger team colours is enormous. Everything just looks so much better.
It really helps in mirror matches for sure. Pleased Gom are using it
On February 12 2014 18:39 ZAiNs wrote: I'm surprised more Protoss aren't playing like San. San is so good vs Swarm Hosts because he kills them before they can get a big SH count .
I wonder if we will see an abandonment of the current SG favoured style towards a more aggressive gateway based style?
Edit/ That's game. SoO was way better in that set.
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend soO vs Panic game 3?
★★★ - Good game (7)
54%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (3)
23%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend soO vs Panic game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On February 12 2014 18:29 Ragnarork wrote: Alright i'll try to do some LR, don't be rude, first time.
GSL Code S group Ro32 group C soO 1 - 0 Panic Yeonsu
soO bottom left Panic top right - gate, gas for panic. - hatch first I believe - second gas for panic. - third hatch !
4:00 - natural nexus started for Panic - warp gate started - macro macro macro for soO, still no gas - panic walls his nat with gate + stargate - phoenix started - soO still on 0 gas
7:00 - phoenix hunts OV around the map - 4 gases down for soO - phoenixes pick a few drones - forge, +1 ground attack for panic - lair started for soO - 5-6 phoenixes wandering on the map, trying to pick drones and ovies - third nexus for Panic
10:00 - infestation pit started for soO - ~30 zerglings on the map - panic has quite a lot of sentries - + 1 melee, + 1 armor finish for soO - swarmhosts being made for soO - + 2 ground for Panic finishes - small skirmish near panic's third - panic kills a few lings and queens, and pushes toward soO fourth ignoring the SH
14:00 - panic pokes and recall once cornered in soO's base - +3 ground started for Panic, adds a Robo - SHs siegieng Panic's third - colossus bay started for Panic - + 2 melee and ground for soO, greater spire building - colossus , and thermolance researching - a warpprism tries to harrass, repelled by corrupters - mostly stalkers and a few colossi for Panic
19:00 - Panic engages soO SH - Armies poke at each other at Panic's third ramp - DT shrine for Panic, adds colossi - soO has BL and pushes towards Panic's third - zealot warp in in soO's 4th - dat zergling blocking panic's 4th - soO engages panic's army at the 3rd's ramp - zealots take down soO's 4th, roaches are too late to save it - soO has broken Panic's third, chases Panic's army around the map
23:00 - Panic tries to push forwards, pick a few morphing BL - Panic's push fails - Panic GG, - soO wins game 2 ! soO 2 - 0 Panic
On February 12 2014 18:39 ZAiNs wrote: I'm surprised more Protoss aren't playing like San. San is so good vs Swarm Hosts because he kills them before they can get a big SH count .
I wonder if we will see an abandonment of the current SG favoured style towards a more aggressive gateway based style?
Edit/ That's game. SoO was way better in that set.
Heavy gateway styles have been very popular for like 6 months now, people are still doing that sora-esque style and variations on it.
On February 12 2014 18:46 Orcasgt24 wrote: How did it take this long for Zerg to noticed Swarm Hosts are pretty damn good vs Protoss?
Most Zergs wanted to retain their souls when playing, but mass Void Rays became popular. And that led them to anger. Anger led them to hate. And hate led them to the Swarm Host.
On February 12 2014 18:46 Orcasgt24 wrote: How did it take this long for Zerg to noticed Swarm Hosts are pretty damn good vs Protoss?
Haven't we know that swarmhosts are obnoxiously good since a long time ago? Like stephano was beating mc with mass swarmhost in wcs 1.
No one likes playing them though so it wouldn't surprise me if zerg played that style unless they absolutely have to - like recently with protoss styles becoming so tight.
On February 12 2014 18:46 Orcasgt24 wrote: How did it take this long for Zerg to noticed Swarm Hosts are pretty damn good vs Protoss?
Most Zergs wanted to retain their souls when playing, but mass Void Rays became popular. And that led them to anger. Anger led them to hate. And hate led them to the Swarm Host.
Except that the suffering is shared across the SC Universe. I guess Yoda was right, he was right...
I really hope Blizzard will add locust nerf to balance test map soon. It's just lame to watch someone going melee upgrades and SHs then straight for hive units.
On February 12 2014 18:46 Orcasgt24 wrote: How did it take this long for Zerg to noticed Swarm Hosts are pretty damn good vs Protoss?
Haven't we know that swarmhosts are obnoxiously good since a long time ago? Like stephano was beating mc with mass swarmhost in wcs 1.
No one likes playing them though so it wouldn't surprise me if zerg played that style unless they absolutely have to - like recently with protoss styles becoming so tight.
I think it was a development kind of like with the BL. It was good, but since people hadn't figured out the exact way to get to them and how to play with them once you got them they were vulnerable to various counters.
Haha, I remember how people used to say "Build SHs -> lose the game" back in wcs season 1 ^^
On February 12 2014 18:46 Orcasgt24 wrote: How did it take this long for Zerg to noticed Swarm Hosts are pretty damn good vs Protoss?
It didn't take them long at all, however. 1 A lot of zergs hate playing SH oriented styles (who wouldn't) 2 SH is sort of map dependent, they work great on maps where you can control a lot of space from one central position (Daybreak, Akilon, Habitation Station, King Sejong Station, Yeonsu), but are not nearly as powerful on large open maps (Whirlwind, Frost).
On February 12 2014 18:46 Orcasgt24 wrote: How did it take this long for Zerg to noticed Swarm Hosts are pretty damn good vs Protoss?
Most Zergs wanted to retain their souls when playing, but mass Void Rays became popular. And that led them to anger. Anger led them to hate. And hate led them to the Swarm Host.
Except that the suffering is shared across the SC Universe. I guess Yoda was right, he was right...
That Yoda guy is smart lol.
I will say that for a game that was swarm host vs colossus deathball that was a pretty good game. At least it wasn't an hour long
On February 12 2014 18:46 Orcasgt24 wrote: How did it take this long for Zerg to noticed Swarm Hosts are pretty damn good vs Protoss?
Most Zergs wanted to retain their souls when playing, but mass Void Rays became popular. And that led them to anger. Anger led them to hate. And hate led them to the Swarm Host.
Except that the suffering is shared across the SC Universe. I guess Yoda was right, he was right...
That Yoda guy is smart lol.
I will say that for a game that was swarm host vs colossus deathball that was a pretty good game. At least it wasn't an hour long
That what happens when someone who completely outclasses someone plays someone else usually.
0:00 - sOs spawns at the top left - Ruin spawns at the bottom right
2:00 - gate first for both - 1 gas for both - Ruin adds a 2nd gas - core for both - 2nd gas for sOs - both add a second gate - one stalker + wg for both
0:00 - sOs spawns at the top left - Ruin spawns at the bottom right
2:00 - gate first for both - 1 gas for both - Ruin adds a 2nd gas - core for both - 2nd gas for sOs - both add a second gate - one stalker + wg for both
5:00 - Twilight council for Ruin - sOs moves across the map with one stalker and an MSC - sOs drops a pylon outside Ruin's main - Timewarp on the ramp, sOs pokes inside Ruin's main - Twilight council for sOs - Robo for Ruin, blink researched as well - Immortal + blink started for sOs - Nexus at natural for Ruin
On February 12 2014 19:01 stuchiu wrote: This map is so like Xelnaga Caverns that PvP has reverted back to WoL nearly.
Xel'Naga was one of a kind, alternate attack path into your nat, forward placed gold minerals that lend themselves to a forward control point, 3rd that could be easily harassed from the high ground, ah good times.
0:00 - sOs spawns at the top left - Ruin spawns at the bottom right
2:00 - gate first for both - 1 gas for both - Ruin adds a 2nd gas - core for both - 2nd gas for sOs - both add a second gate - one stalker + wg for both
5:00 - Twilight council for Ruin - sOs moves across the map with one stalker and an MSC - sOs drops a pylon outside Ruin's main - Timewarp on the ramp, sOs pokes inside Ruin's main - Twilight council for sOs - Robo for Ruin, blink researched as well - Immortal + blink started for sOs - Nexus at natural for Ruin
8:00 - Nexus at natural for sOs - Forge for sOs - Forge for Ruin - +1 Ground attack for sOs - both players add gases at natural - + 1 ground attack started for Ruin - Ruin's stalkers outside the nat of sOs, poke and kill a few probes - sOs pushes them back - both researching zealot charge
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
0:00 - sOs spawns at the top left - Ruin spawns at the bottom right
2:00 - gate first for both - 1 gas for both - Ruin adds a 2nd gas - core for both - 2nd gas for sOs - both add a second gate - one stalker + wg for both
5:00 - Twilight council for Ruin - sOs moves across the map with one stalker and an MSC - sOs drops a pylon outside Ruin's main - Timewarp on the ramp, sOs pokes inside Ruin's main - Twilight council for sOs - Robo for Ruin, blink researched as well - Immortal + blink started for sOs - Nexus at natural for Ruin
8:00 - Nexus at natural for sOs - Forge for sOs - Forge for Ruin - +1 Ground attack for sOs - both players add gases at natural - + 1 ground attack started for Ruin - Ruin's stalkers outside the nat of sOs, poke and kill a few probes - sOs pushes them back - both researching zealot charge
13:00 - Third for ruin, as well as templar tech for both - +2 ground attack for sOs, making archons as well - sOs moving across the map - +2 ground attack started for Ruin - armies battle at Ruin's third - sOs crushes Ruin's army, takes the third nexus of Ruin - Ruin gg's, sOs takes game 1
On February 12 2014 19:01 stuchiu wrote: This map is so like Xelnaga Caverns that PvP has reverted back to WoL nearly.
Xel'Naga was one of a kind, alternate attack path into your nat, forward placed gold minerals that lend themselves to a forward control point, 3rd that could be easily harassed from the high ground, ah good times.
I miss it too.. I loved the map... with the Tasteless secret hallway and stuff... secret expos on the side... etc etc
I thought Ruin might have won that battle had he focus fired his immortals vs stalkes better. He was up in supply for the first 15-20 seconds of that fight.
0:00 - sOs spawns at the top left - Ruin spawns at the bottom left - gate for both - cool sign, though I don't read kr - dual gases for both players
3:00 - cycore for both - MSC and wg for both - twilight council for sOs - MSC say hello to each other, awkward moment ensues - Nexus at nat for Ruin - sOs adds gates and starts blink - Robo for Ruin
0:00 - sOs spawns at the top left - Ruin spawns at the bottom left - gate for both - cool sign, though I don't read kr - dual gases for both players
3:00 - cycore for both - MSC and wg for both - twilight council for sOs - MSC say hello to each other, awkward moment ensues - Nexus at nat for Ruin - sOs adds gates and starts blink - Robo for Ruin
6:00 - proxy stargate for sOs, east of Ruin's main - more gates for Ruin - sOs pokes with Stalkers and drop a nexus at his nat - oracle started by sOs, adds a Robo as well - 7 probes picked by the Oracle - forge for sOs, twilight council for Ruin
0:00 - sOs spawns at the top left - Ruin spawns at the bottom left - gate for both - cool sign, though I don't read kr - dual gases for both players
3:00 - cycore for both - MSC and wg for both - twilight council for sOs - MSC say hello to each other, awkward moment ensues - Nexus at nat for Ruin - sOs adds gates and starts blink - Robo for Ruin
6:00 - proxy stargate for sOs, east of Ruin's main - more gates for Ruin - sOs pokes with Stalkers and drop a nexus at his nat - oracle started by sOs, adds a Robo as well - 7 probes picked by the Oracle - forge for sOs, twilight council for Ruin
9:00 - sOs blinks in Ruin's main but are repelled - oracle gets a few more probes - blink and forge for Ruin - + 1 ground attack finishes soon and charge for sOs - +1 ground attack started for Ruin - Third nexus for Ruin, + templar archive - 3rd for sOs as well
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Ruin vs sOs game 3?
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (3)
27%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
27%
★★★ - Good game (2)
18%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs sOs game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
0:00 - sOs spawns at the top left - Ruin spawns at the bottom left - gate for both - cool sign, though I don't read kr - dual gases for both players
3:00 - cycore for both - MSC and wg for both - twilight council for sOs - MSC say hello to each other, awkward moment ensues - Nexus at nat for Ruin - sOs adds gates and starts blink - Robo for Ruin
6:00 - proxy stargate for sOs, east of Ruin's main - more gates for Ruin - sOs pokes with Stalkers and drop a nexus at his nat - oracle started by sOs, adds a Robo as well - 7 probes picked by the Oracle - forge for sOs, twilight council for Ruin
9:00 - sOs blinks in Ruin's main but are repelled - oracle gets a few more probes - blink and forge for Ruin - + 1 ground attack finishes soon and charge for sOs - +1 ground attack started for Ruin - Third nexus for Ruin, + templar archive - 3rd for sOs as well
13:30 - missed it, but Ruin restarted his 3rd ? - +1 finished for Ruin, sOs started +2 ground attack - sOs moving across the map, kills the rock at Ruin nat's ramp - armies engage, domes everywhere - sOs army is too big for Ruin's - sOs wins the engagement, Ruin gg's, sOs takes game 2 and the series
I think again, Ruin might have won that battle had he time warp first and done it on the army just as it was moving up the ramp, and then had he focus fired a bit better, zealots on immortals, immortals on stalkers, archons on zealots. I know easy to say as a bystander, but still. Decent showing overall, better then Panic for sure.
On February 12 2014 19:22 Destructicon wrote: I think again, Ruin might have won that battle had he time warp first and done it on the army just as it was moving up the ramp, and then had he focus fired a bit better, zealots on immortals, immortals on stalkers, archons on zealots. I know easy to say as a bystander, but still. Decent showing overall, better then Panic for sure.
I am pretty sure as protoss players get better, they would start using more hotkeys for the units. These things happen way too often imo no whining intended, I just think protoss still has a lot of potentials unexplored.
On February 12 2014 19:24 Ragnarork wrote: Also. DAMN LRING IS EXHAUSTING HOLY SHIT
Want me to take over for next series?
I can (and would like ) to do a few more (1-2), and then lunch break so I won't be able to LR. I'll do next game and I think I'll hand it over to you then in fact. Many thanks !
0:00 - soO spawns at the top right - sOs spawns at the bottom left
2:00 - hatch first for soO - nexus first for sOs - forge for sOs - third hatch for soO - sOs droping a pylon at soO's third - drones chase the probe at the third, no cannons - gate, dual gases for sOs
0:00 - soO spawns at the top right - sOs spawns at the bottom left
2:00 - hatch first for soO - nexus first for sOs - forge for sOs - third hatch for soO - sOs droping a pylon at soO's third - drones chase the probe at the third, no cannons - gate, dual gases for sOs
4:30 - Cycore for sOs, cannon at wall - stargate for sOs at wall, seen by soO ovie - double gas at nat for sOs - phoenix started - voidray after the first phoenix - sOs adds a third north of his main
tbh its pretty surprising yeonsu didnt get the same attention as deadalus point, well most likely since its so bad the only way to fix it is to remove it haha
0:00 - soO spawns at the top right - sOs spawns at the bottom left
2:00 - hatch first for soO - nexus first for sOs - forge for sOs - third hatch for soO - sOs droping a pylon at soO's third - drones chase the probe at the third, no cannons - gate, dual gases for sOs
4:30 - Cycore for sOs, cannon at wall - stargate for sOs at wall, seen by soO ovie - double gas at nat for sOs - phoenix started - voidray after the first phoenix - sOs adds a third north of his main
8:00 - another stargate for sOs - double evo chamber for soO - Roach warren and speed for soO - +1 melee and + 1 armor for soO - charge and +1 ground attack for sOs - infestation pit and spire started - soO adds a 4th - templar archive for sOs
On February 12 2014 19:36 Tsubbi wrote: tbh its pretty surprising yeonsu didnt get the same attention as deadalus point, well most likely since its so bad the only way to fix it is to remove it haha
Unlike Deadelus, there is no simple change you can make to Yeonsu to make it a better map, you'd have to slash tons of the main in order to make it unblinkable but then again the map is so small and chokey in some areas that it lends itself easily to turtle mech or SH play.
0:00 - soO spawns at the top right - sOs spawns at the bottom left
2:00 - hatch first for soO - nexus first for sOs - forge for sOs - third hatch for soO - sOs droping a pylon at soO's third - drones chase the probe at the third, no cannons - gate, dual gases for sOs
4:30 - Cycore for sOs, cannon at wall - stargate for sOs at wall, seen by soO ovie - double gas at nat for sOs - phoenix started - voidray after the first phoenix - sOs adds a third north of his main
8:00 - another stargate for sOs - double evo chamber for soO - Roach warren and speed for soO - +1 melee and + 1 armor for soO - charge and +1 ground attack for sOs - infestation pit and spire started - soO adds a 4th - templar archive for sOs
11:00 - +2 ground attack for sOs, adding archons - 3 voidrays wandering on the map - sOs pushes forward with zealots, archons and MSC - SWARMHOST MOTHAFOCKA - voidrays killing the lair, zealots and archons intercept unburrowed SHs - lair down, zealot warp-in at soO 4th - sOs takes a hidden 4th at the bottom right
0:00 - soO spawns at the top right - sOs spawns at the bottom left
2:00 - hatch first for soO - nexus first for sOs - forge for sOs - third hatch for soO - sOs droping a pylon at soO's third - drones chase the probe at the third, no cannons - gate, dual gases for sOs
4:30 - Cycore for sOs, cannon at wall - stargate for sOs at wall, seen by soO ovie - double gas at nat for sOs - phoenix started - voidray after the first phoenix - sOs adds a third north of his main
8:00 - another stargate for sOs - double evo chamber for soO - Roach warren and speed for soO - +1 melee and + 1 armor for soO - charge and +1 ground attack for sOs - infestation pit and spire started - soO adds a 4th - templar archive for sOs
11:00 - +2 ground attack for sOs, adding archons - 3 voidrays wandering on the map - sOs pushes forward with zealots, archons and MSC - SWARMHOST MOTHAFOCKA - voidrays killing the lair, zealots and archons intercept unburrowed SHs - lair down, zealot warp-in at soO 4th - sOs takes a hidden 4th at the bottom right
14:30 - voidrays in the main + zealots warped in, while sOs pushes at the 3rd of soO - the third falls - zealots kill soO main that he rebuilt - SH sieging the 3rd of sOs - +3 attack started for sOs - armies meet and poke at the southern Xel naga - zealots kills soO's 3rd once again - armies engage at soO's 4th ramp, annihilate themselves
On February 12 2014 19:44 Kasaraki wrote: Why couldn't you play like this in PL sOs. ;o
Don't forget he like kind of quit the game until like the 1st week of ProLeague where he was signed by Jin Air. He would of been out of practice and then going into week long preparation of all in builds in BO1. He has been practicing with Rogue and Maru for 2 months now and it clearly shows he is getting back to where we know him. Would like to see him vs a bit better of opponent before i say he back though
On February 12 2014 19:45 Heartland wrote: You'd think sOs penchant for unique strategies and play against the meta would make him a good PL player and a slightly worse single league player.
To be fair most of his PL games involved him getting all-inned so he couldn't really do his weird stuff .
Very, very sexy play by sOs. Hope other players copy this "attack everywhere" style.
That said, is anyone else slightly uncomfortable by how strong the "stronger team colors" are? The archons in particular just look way too red to me. Love the fact that they're using gameheart apart from that, sexy interface.
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0:00 - soO spawns at the top right - sOs spawns at the bottom left
2:00 - hatch first for soO - nexus first for sOs - forge for sOs - third hatch for soO - sOs droping a pylon at soO's third - drones chase the probe at the third, no cannons - gate, dual gases for sOs
4:30 - Cycore for sOs, cannon at wall - stargate for sOs at wall, seen by soO ovie - double gas at nat for sOs - phoenix started - voidray after the first phoenix - sOs adds a third north of his main
8:00 - another stargate for sOs - double evo chamber for soO - Roach warren and speed for soO - +1 melee and + 1 armor for soO - charge and +1 ground attack for sOs - infestation pit and spire started - soO adds a 4th - templar archive for sOs
11:00 - +2 ground attack for sOs, adding archons - 3 voidrays wandering on the map - sOs pushes forward with zealots, archons and MSC - SWARMHOST MOTHAFOCKA - voidrays killing the lair, zealots and archons intercept unburrowed SHs - lair down, zealot warp-in at soO 4th - sOs takes a hidden 4th at the bottom right
14:30 - voidrays in the main + zealots warped in, while sOs pushes at the 3rd of soO - the third falls - zealots kill soO main that he rebuilt - SH sieging the 3rd of sOs - +3 attack started for sOs - armies meet and poke at the southern Xel naga - zealots kills soO's 3rd once again - armies engage at soO's 4th ramp, annihilate themselves
19:00 - zealots trying to kill tech in soO's main - sOs takes a fifth - zealots again at soO's 3rd, but are quickly cleaned - blink and DT shrine for sOs - sOs trying to push the 4th of soO - 4th of sOs falls to a roach runby - both players with 128 army supply, BALANCED ! - armies engage at soO 4th, corruptors melt - sOs crushes soO's army, soO gg's sOs takes game 1 !
On February 12 2014 19:51 Varanice wrote: I just tuned in, why is the screen split 4x? Will it ever fully go into the game? this is annoying Edit: nevermind lol
Fullscreen for me.
Corruptors need to be upgraded to Broodlords to combat the colossus/archon composition
On February 12 2014 19:54 Heartland wrote: Artosis is obviously a vampire and Tasteless a werewolf. Their forbidden love is the main conflict in the movie.
We've had one of those already. No need for another
0:00 - soO spawns at the bottom right - sOs spawns at the top left - hatch first, nexus first - double gas for sOs - forge, wall at natural for sOs
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5:00 - + 1 ground attack for sOs - soO takes a third - three more gates - 3 gases for soO - MSC moving across the map, third nexus for sOs - lair for soO
On February 12 2014 19:54 Heartland wrote: Artosis is obviously a vampire and Tasteless a werewolf. Their forbidden love is the main conflict in the movie.
We've had one of those already. No need for another
What about the story of a vampire progamer who can only come out at night, so he can't go to offline tournaments, so everyone thinks he's a hacker? And he has to overcome his weakness to sunlight to play in an offline tournament and it ends with him playing on the beach outside of Busan and he plays such a long series against his archenemy the werewolf that the sunrise is coming up?
soO spawns in the bottom right sOs spawns in the top left
0-7 soO gets on three bases and starts lair. sOs going FFE despite the map and gets a bunch of sentries and a third base.
8:00 soO 88 vs sOs 79 soO poking with zerglings, seeing sOs adding on stalkers. sOs getting a pylon outside his natural and moving out, not cancelling the third.
9:00 soO 116 vs sOs 94 sOs poking around and FF'ing off zerglings to kill them. Blink for sOs. soO adding lots of hydralisks. sOs getting +1 attack and another few gateways.
10:00 soO 122 vs sOs 106 Hallucinated phoenix scouts soO's main base. soO has 61 drones. Infestation pit, hydralisk speed, roach warren, second evolution chamber for soO. soO moving out with some units.
On February 12 2014 19:56 ZAiNs wrote: Well soO made a mistake in not getting any Infestors :/. 29 Corruptors and 0 Infestors :/.
Well obviously if he had the money to get a greater spire, upgrade a bunch of corruptors into broodlords and make a bunch of infestors he would have been better off, but that wasn't really an option considering how much economic damage he took.
I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
Yea and then they have no tech and die like this game, gg.
On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
soO spawns in the bottom right sOs spawns in the top left
0-7 soO gets on three bases and starts lair. sOs going FFE despite the map and gets a bunch of sentries and a third base.
8:00 soO 88 vs sOs 79 soO poking with zerglings, seeing sOs adding on stalkers. sOs getting a pylon outside his natural and moving out, not cancelling the third.
9:00 soO 116 vs sOs 94 sOs poking around and FF'ing off zerglings to kill them. Blink for sOs. soO adding lots of hydralisks. sOs getting +1 attack and another few gateways.
10:00 soO 122 vs sOs 106 Hallucinated phoenix scouts soO's main base. soO has 61 drones. Infestation pit, hydralisk speed, roach warren, second evolution chamber for soO. soO moving out with some units.
13:00 soO 200 vs sOs 185 sOs moving out again. soO taking a 4th base. Force fields on the army of soO blocks off a lot of hydralisks.
14:00 soO 200 vs sOs 186 sOs backing off despite getting a good trade. sOs moving out towards sOs's third base with a good concave.
15:00 soO 176 vs sOs 129 sOs blinks upwards next to the army of soO instead of blinking back hurt stalkers. soO breaks through the third base. sOs GG's! soO ties it up 1-1!
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On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
Yea and then they have no tech and die like this game, gg.
You can point out the balance complaint if you want.
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Who voted 5 stars? -.-
Maybe someone who wants no Hydra buff and thinks this game might prevent one.
I don't understand what sOs' goal was. He starts pressure when zerg already has 3base economy so the natural response from zerg will be to mass out roach/ling/hydra, and then sOs never teched to anything that beats it, so weird.
On February 12 2014 20:02 HolydaKing wrote: terrible, why didnt he tech earlier? so many hydras are easy kills for toss aoe.
Then sOs would have died just as fast as he did this time around? Im quite sure not a single stalker blinked more than once during that last fight anyways.
On February 12 2014 20:02 HolydaKing wrote: terrible, why didnt he tech earlier? so many hydras are easy kills for toss aoe.
Then sOs would have died just as fast as he did this time around? Im quite sure not a single stalker blinked more than once during that last fight anyways.
I don't think templar archives is that expensive. He could've built it earlier I'm pretty sure.
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On February 12 2014 20:03 Zheryn wrote: I don't understand what sOs' goal was. He starts pressure when zerg already has 3base economy so the natural response from zerg will be to mass out roach/ling/hydra, and then sOs never teched to anything that beats it, so weird.
I think he just wanted to all-in and was to single minded on that. When he realised that he was not gonna make it, he was just way to late on tech. Dont think plan A had a follow up included. Therefore the follow up came way to late (templar tech).
On February 12 2014 20:02 HolydaKing wrote: terrible, why didnt he tech earlier? so many hydras are easy kills for toss aoe.
Then sOs would have died just as fast as he did this time around? Im quite sure not a single stalker blinked more than once during that last fight anyways.
I don't think templar archives is that expensive. He could've built it earlier I'm pretty sure.
lol Sorry I quoted the wrong post. Wanted to quote the one regardign "imagine hydras with more attack and stalkers with slower blink".
I've seen lots of Protoss hold massive pushes from zerg at their 3rd by getting 3 colossus relatively fast and creating a sim city around the 3rd to funnel the zerg army. A combination of good FF, control and sim city makes pushes, like what soO did, quite holdable. And remember, if soO loses his army attacking into the 3rd and doesn't kill the 3rd or completely reset destroy the army, then he is also massively behind.
On February 12 2014 20:07 Destructicon wrote: I've seen lots of Protoss hold massive pushes from zerg at their 3rd by getting 3 colossus relatively fast and creating a sim city around the 3rd to funnel the zerg army. A combination of good FF, control and sim city makes pushes, like what soO did, quite holdable.
Of course you can do but that is quite a different game. sOs went for heavy BS-pressure and had no follow up plan really.
Its like saying "I have seen Terrans hold that Roach Baneling all in when making 10 tanks" in a game where the Terran went mass Marine-Hellion pressure.
On February 12 2014 20:07 Destructicon wrote: I've seen lots of Protoss hold massive pushes from zerg at their 3rd by getting 3 colossus relatively fast and creating a sim city around the 3rd to funnel the zerg army. A combination of good FF, control and sim city makes pushes, like what soO did, quite holdable.
Of course you can do but that is quite a different game. sOs went for heavy BS-pressure and had no follow up plan really.
Its like saying "I have seen Terrans hold that Roach Baneling all in when making 10 tanks" in a game where the Terran went mass Marine-Hellion pressure.
I still think sOs could have done better had he just faked that pressure and instead was getting colossus. I think he could have had 3 with thermal lance if he started teching to them just as his first attack was moving out.
my bet is he thought he'd thrown down a robo, then realized he hadnt when it was too late so just threw down an archives to try and chrono storm. No way that game went according to plan.
soO spawns in the bottom left sOs spawns in the top right
2:00 sOs getting a nexus first. soO going hatchery first followed by an extractor and a spawning pool. Gateway for sOs.
3:00 sOs getting 2 assimilators. Two queens start for soO. Zergling speed being researched. sOs getting a cybernetics core.
4:00 soO moving out with two zerglings. sOs starts a stargate. Warp gate being researched by sOs. soO starting a third base. soO scouts the main of sOs but a zealot walls off the ramp.
5:00 Phoenixes for sOs. soO droning even though zergling speed is finishing up. sOs doesn't get to see the zergling speed.
On February 12 2014 20:07 Destructicon wrote: I've seen lots of Protoss hold massive pushes from zerg at their 3rd by getting 3 colossus relatively fast and creating a sim city around the 3rd to funnel the zerg army. A combination of good FF, control and sim city makes pushes, like what soO did, quite holdable.
Of course you can do but that is quite a different game. sOs went for heavy BS-pressure and had no follow up plan really.
Its like saying "I have seen Terrans hold that Roach Baneling all in when making 10 tanks" in a game where the Terran went mass Marine-Hellion pressure.
I still think sOs could have done better had he just faked that pressure and instead was getting colossus. I think he could have had 3 with thermal lance if he started teching to them just as his first attack was moving out.
"could had, would had, should had"...
Of course he could had played the game differently. But now he commited and therefore he had no 3 Colossus with Lance. Simple as that.
soO spawns in the bottom left sOs spawns in the top right
2:00 sOs getting a nexus first. soO going hatchery first followed by an extractor and a spawning pool. Gateway for sOs.
3:00 sOs getting 2 assimilators. Two queens start for soO. Zergling speed being researched. sOs getting a cybernetics core.
4:00 soO moving out with two zerglings. sOs starts a stargate. Warp gate being researched by sOs. soO starting a third base. soO scouts the main of sOs but a zealot walls off the ramp.
5:00 Phoenixes for sOs. soO droning even though zergling speed is finishing up. sOs doesn't get to see the zergling speed.
6:00 soO 50 vs sOs 51 Phoenixes moving out but not catching overlords. sOs just barely missing every overlord somehow.
7:00 soO 63 vs sOs 59 sOs getting a third base and a robotics facility. soO scouts the third of sOs. 18 zerglings and a hydralisk den are in production. sOs gets into the main and third of soO and starts killing drones and a queen. Spore crawlers being thrown down.
8:00 soO 86 vs sOs 74 sOs kills an overlord next to his natural. Hydralisks and hydralisk range in production. Both players getting +1 attack.
9:00 soO 98 vs sOs 62 Robotics bay for sOs. soO starts a spire while defending against phoenix pressure. soO taking a 4th base.
10:00 soO 96 vs sOs 94 Void ray production for sOs begins. sOs getting a twilight council. soO not getting supply blocked despite losing several overlords.
soO spawns in the bottom left sOs spawns in the top right
2:00 sOs getting a nexus first. soO going hatchery first followed by an extractor and a spawning pool. Gateway for sOs.
3:00 sOs getting 2 assimilators. Two queens start for soO. Zergling speed being researched. sOs getting a cybernetics core.
4:00 soO moving out with two zerglings. sOs starts a stargate. Warp gate being researched by sOs. soO starting a third base. soO scouts the main of sOs but a zealot walls off the ramp.
5:00 Phoenixes for sOs. soO droning even though zergling speed is finishing up. sOs doesn't get to see the zergling speed.
6:00 soO 50 vs sOs 51 Phoenixes moving out but not catching overlords. sOs just barely missing every overlord somehow.
7:00 soO 63 vs sOs 59 sOs getting a third base and a robotics facility. soO scouts the third of sOs. 18 zerglings and a hydralisk den are in production. sOs gets into the main and third of soO and starts killing drones and a queen. Spore crawlers being thrown down.
8:00 soO 86 vs sOs 74 sOs kills an overlord next to his natural. Hydralisks and hydralisk range in production. Both players getting +1 attack.
9:00 soO 98 vs sOs 62 Robotics bay for sOs. soO starts a spire while defending against phoenix pressure. soO taking a 4th base.
10:00 soO 96 vs sOs 94 Void ray production for sOs begins. sOs getting a twilight council. soO not getting supply blocked despite losing several overlords.
11:00 soO 102 vs sOs 112 Blink, colossus range, and +2 attack for sOs. sOs getting 5 more gateways. soO getting mutalisks and corrupters as well as +1 flier attacks.
12:00 soO 133 vs sOs 122 Second stargate finishes for sOs. More phoenixes instead of additional void rays. sOs sees the phoenixes of soO.
13:00 soO 142 vs sOs 137 More corrupters for soO. soO attempting to be aggressive using all of his units, moving ground units into the center. sOs attempting to take a 4th base. Mutalisks/corrupters go towards the natural but it's defended.
14:00 soO 175 vs sOs 161 soO not spreading much creep. soO has a nearly exclusively air army. sOs getting a fleet beacon.
15:00 soO 197 vs sOs 175 soO goes for the third but a good blink picks off some units. soO kills the 4th base and trades well with the army, not losing all of his air.
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soO spawns in the bottom left sOs spawns in the top right
2:00 sOs getting a nexus first. soO going hatchery first followed by an extractor and a spawning pool. Gateway for sOs.
3:00 sOs getting 2 assimilators. Two queens start for soO. Zergling speed being researched. sOs getting a cybernetics core.
4:00 soO moving out with two zerglings. sOs starts a stargate. Warp gate being researched by sOs. soO starting a third base. soO scouts the main of sOs but a zealot walls off the ramp.
5:00 Phoenixes for sOs. soO droning even though zergling speed is finishing up. sOs doesn't get to see the zergling speed.
6:00 soO 50 vs sOs 51 Phoenixes moving out but not catching overlords. sOs just barely missing every overlord somehow.
7:00 soO 63 vs sOs 59 sOs getting a third base and a robotics facility. soO scouts the third of sOs. 18 zerglings and a hydralisk den are in production. sOs gets into the main and third of soO and starts killing drones and a queen. Spore crawlers being thrown down.
8:00 soO 86 vs sOs 74 sOs kills an overlord next to his natural. Hydralisks and hydralisk range in production. Both players getting +1 attack.
9:00 soO 98 vs sOs 62 Robotics bay for sOs. soO starts a spire while defending against phoenix pressure. soO taking a 4th base.
10:00 soO 96 vs sOs 94 Void ray production for sOs begins. sOs getting a twilight council. soO not getting supply blocked despite losing several overlords.
11:00 soO 102 vs sOs 112 Blink, colossus range, and +2 attack for sOs. sOs getting 5 more gateways. soO getting mutalisks and corrupters as well as +1 flier attacks.
12:00 soO 133 vs sOs 122 Second stargate finishes for sOs. More phoenixes instead of additional void rays. sOs sees the phoenixes of soO.
13:00 soO 142 vs sOs 137 More corrupters for soO. soO attempting to be aggressive using all of his units, moving ground units into the center. sOs attempting to take a 4th base. Mutalisks/corrupters go towards the natural but it's defended.
14:00 soO 175 vs sOs 161 soO not spreading much creep. soO has a nearly exclusively air army. sOs getting a fleet beacon.
15:00 soO 197 vs sOs 175 soO goes for the third but a good blink picks off some units. soO kills the 4th base and trades well with the army, not losing all of his air.
16:00 soO 174 vs sOs 167 sOs tries a proxy pylon but it's shut down. Pathogen glands on the way for sOs. Another stargate for sOs, who is rebuilding a 4th. soO moving around with his zerglings while scouting out for pylons with his air army.
17:00 soO 198 vs sOs 174 sOs got phoenix range at some point after the fleet beacon. soO going for another attack at the third base and kills an assimilator. Nexus cannon on the third, soO goes for the natural and kills all the cannons.
18:00 soO 184 vs sOs 169 soO kills the natural. sOs moving towards the third base of soO but there are a lot of spine crawlers.
19:00 soO 193 vs sOs 149 sOs trying to fend off the army of soO with phoenixes. soO killing the stargates and banking spines and mutalisks at his natural. sOs warping stalkers as his 4th gets attacked.
20:00 soO 188 vs sOs 76 sOs GG's! soO wins 2-1 and advances to the RO16!
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On February 12 2014 20:20 Breach_hu wrote: What a surprise, corruptor muta reigns supreme on bigmaps.
Well, he never reached the critical amount of Phoenixes, he had 7 Phoenixes against ~20 Corruptors and ~30 Mutas, if he had 15 or more Phoenixes with that range upgrade, it wouldn't be so easy for SoO and he would have to transition out of it.
Well I must say I am glad that over hyped sOs isn't 1st in his group. That game on Deadalus was especially annoying. They tried so hard to make that stalker play a brilliant strategic move and then he just died to ling-hydra timing.
He will still advance though because he is obviously better PvPer than these two other players.
sOs really represents the famous quote that the line between insanity and geniality is really thin. One game he looks like a mastermind and the other game he looks like someone who was no clue what the f*** he is doing. Still think he will advance from this group quite easily with a 2-0 PvP.
On February 12 2014 20:24 Qwerty85 wrote: Well I must say I am glad that over hyped sOs isn't 1st in his group. That game on Deadalus was especially annoying. They tried so hard to make that stalker play a brilliant strategic move and then he just died to ling-hydra timing.
He will still advance though because he is obviously better PvPer than these two other players.
Well technically the "lings" was acually 30 roaches, but okay
On February 12 2014 20:27 Zheryn wrote: It's lame that zergs winrate is only carried by overpowered mutas and SHs, because it's so fucking lame to watch/play.
Had been much more fun with Spine Crawler Rushes and Baneling Drop Bombs. SuHoSin, how we miss you.
On February 12 2014 20:24 Qwerty85 wrote: Well I must say I am glad that over hyped sOs isn't 1st in his group. That game on Deadalus was especially annoying. They tried so hard to make that stalker play a brilliant strategic move and then he just died to ling-hydra timing.
He will still advance though because he is obviously better PvPer than these two other players.
Well technically the "lings" was acually 30 roaches, but okay
He had lings in the first fight where he dropped 2 "beautiful time warps" if I remeber correctly. Then soO remaxed on roaches. But however it went it was still a bad composition against what soO had and they were trying to show him as some kind of strategic genius until he just died.
On February 12 2014 20:24 Qwerty85 wrote: Well I must say I am glad that over hyped sOs isn't 1st in his group. That game on Deadalus was especially annoying. They tried so hard to make that stalker play a brilliant strategic move and then he just died to ling-hydra timing.
He will still advance though because he is obviously better PvPer than these two other players.
Well technically the "lings" was acually 30 roaches, but okay
He had lings in the first fight where he dropped 2 "beautiful time warps" if I remeber correctly. Then soO remaxed on roaches. But however it went it was still a bad composition against what soO had and they were trying to show him as some kind of strategic genius until he just died.
I agree on this. They actually called the Time Warps beautiful? I am in a library without sound.
On February 12 2014 20:27 Zheryn wrote: It's lame that zergs winrate is only carried by overpowered mutas and SHs, because it's so fucking lame to watch/play.
Had been much more fun with Spine Crawler Rushes and Baneling Drop Bombs. SuHoSin, how we miss you.
I really don't understand why zergs don't use baneling drops more, they can be very good against toss death balls.
On February 12 2014 20:27 Zheryn wrote: It's lame that zergs winrate is only carried by overpowered mutas and SHs, because it's so fucking lame to watch/play.
Had been much more fun with Spine Crawler Rushes and Baneling Drop Bombs. SuHoSin, how we miss you.
I really don't understand why zergs don't use baneling drops more, they can be very good against toss death balls.
Too slow so you lose way too many resources before even getting to the protoss army if they kite.
On February 12 2014 20:27 Zheryn wrote: It's lame that zergs winrate is only carried by overpowered mutas and SHs, because it's so fucking lame to watch/play.
Had been much more fun with Spine Crawler Rushes and Baneling Drop Bombs. SuHoSin, how we miss you.
I really don't understand why zergs don't use baneling drops more, they can be very good against toss death balls.
Last time I checked the patch notes they are not very good a killing Void Rays, Immortals or Archons.
On February 12 2014 20:24 Qwerty85 wrote: Well I must say I am glad that over hyped sOs isn't 1st in his group. That game on Deadalus was especially annoying. They tried so hard to make that stalker play a brilliant strategic move and then he just died to ling-hydra timing.
He will still advance though because he is obviously better PvPer than these two other players.
Well technically the "lings" was acually 30 roaches, but okay
He had lings in the first fight where he dropped 2 "beautiful time warps" if I remeber correctly. Then soO remaxed on roaches. But however it went it was still a bad composition against what soO had and they were trying to show him as some kind of strategic genius until he just died.
I agree on this. They actually called the Time Warps beautiful? I am in a library without sound.
I never noticed your sn had an exclamation point at the end. On another note, I was kinda hoping for an all but one Protoss group for RO16, just for the sheer weirdness of it all.
On February 12 2014 20:27 Zheryn wrote: It's lame that zergs winrate is only carried by overpowered mutas and SHs, because it's so fucking lame to watch/play.
Had been much more fun with Spine Crawler Rushes and Baneling Drop Bombs. SuHoSin, how we miss you.
I really don't understand why zergs don't use baneling drops more, they can be very good against toss death balls.
Last time I checked the patch notes they are not very good a killing Void Rays, Immortals or Archons.
maybe we need banelings loaded into overlord to be able to explode on air units. that'd be cool
On February 12 2014 20:27 Zheryn wrote: It's lame that zergs winrate is only carried by overpowered mutas and SHs, because it's so fucking lame to watch/play.
Had been much more fun with Spine Crawler Rushes and Baneling Drop Bombs. SuHoSin, how we miss you.
I really don't understand why zergs don't use baneling drops more, they can be very good against toss death balls.
Kim likes to make things go faster. Just wait for an overlord speed buff and you will see beautiful baneling bombs.
On February 12 2014 20:24 Qwerty85 wrote: Well I must say I am glad that over hyped sOs isn't 1st in his group. That game on Deadalus was especially annoying. They tried so hard to make that stalker play a brilliant strategic move and then he just died to ling-hydra timing.
He will still advance though because he is obviously better PvPer than these two other players.
Well technically the "lings" was acually 30 roaches, but okay
He had lings in the first fight where he dropped 2 "beautiful time warps" if I remeber correctly. Then soO remaxed on roaches. But however it went it was still a bad composition against what soO had and they were trying to show him as some kind of strategic genius until he just died.
I agree on this. They actually called the Time Warps beautiful? I am in a library without sound.
Well if he had storms, it would have been nice tits of pain .)
(conditions(or whatever you call) isn§t my cup of tea, so I hope you can understand the poetry)
On February 12 2014 20:27 Zheryn wrote: It's lame that zergs winrate is only carried by overpowered mutas and SHs, because it's so fucking lame to watch/play.
Had been much more fun with Spine Crawler Rushes and Baneling Drop Bombs. SuHoSin, how we miss you.
I really don't understand why zergs don't use baneling drops more, they can be very good against toss death balls.
Last time I checked the patch notes they are not very good a killing Void Rays, Immortals or Archons.
On February 12 2014 20:24 Qwerty85 wrote: Well I must say I am glad that over hyped sOs isn't 1st in his group. That game on Deadalus was especially annoying. They tried so hard to make that stalker play a brilliant strategic move and then he just died to ling-hydra timing.
He will still advance though because he is obviously better PvPer than these two other players.
Well technically the "lings" was acually 30 roaches, but okay
He had lings in the first fight where he dropped 2 "beautiful time warps" if I remeber correctly. Then soO remaxed on roaches. But however it went it was still a bad composition against what soO had and they were trying to show him as some kind of strategic genius until he just died.
I agree on this. They actually called the Time Warps beautiful? I am in a library without sound.
I never noticed your sn had an exclamation point at the end. On another note, I was kinda hoping for an all but one Protoss group for RO16, just for the sheer weirdness of it all.
I was hoping for it so I could read naniwa's and desrows complaints towards the inevitable nerfs.
On February 12 2014 20:27 Zheryn wrote: It's lame that zergs winrate is only carried by overpowered mutas and SHs, because it's so fucking lame to watch/play.
Had been much more fun with Spine Crawler Rushes and Baneling Drop Bombs. SuHoSin, how we miss you.
I really don't understand why zergs don't use baneling drops more, they can be very good against toss death balls.
On February 12 2014 20:24 Qwerty85 wrote: Well I must say I am glad that over hyped sOs isn't 1st in his group. That game on Deadalus was especially annoying. They tried so hard to make that stalker play a brilliant strategic move and then he just died to ling-hydra timing.
He will still advance though because he is obviously better PvPer than these two other players.
Well technically the "lings" was acually 30 roaches, but okay
He had lings in the first fight where he dropped 2 "beautiful time warps" if I remeber correctly. Then soO remaxed on roaches. But however it went it was still a bad composition against what soO had and they were trying to show him as some kind of strategic genius until he just died.
I agree on this. They actually called the Time Warps beautiful? I am in a library without sound.
I never noticed your sn had an exclamation point at the end. On another note, I was kinda hoping for an all but one Protoss group for RO16, just for the sheer weirdness of it all.
I think Glorfindel actually was picked and therefore I put it there.
Panic spawns in the top right Ruin spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Neither player is proxying. Both players getting mirroed gateways and second assimilators. Cybernetics core for both players.
3:00 Panic sending out a scouting probe. Both players getting a second gateway. Ruin sending out a scouting probe. Mothership core for both players.
4:00 Both players getting a stalker, Ruin's is faster. Twilight council for Ruin. Ruin loses his scouting probe. Panic chronoboosting his gateways for stalker production. Third gateway for Panic.
5:00 Panic moving out with his stalkers and mothership core. Ruin getting blink. Panic moving into the main and killing a stalker with a time warp. Nexus cannon activated, 5 stalkers to two.
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Panic spawns in the top right Ruin spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Neither player is proxying. Both players getting mirroed gateways and second assimilators. Cybernetics core for both players.
3:00 Panic sending out a scouting probe. Both players getting a second gateway. Ruin sending out a scouting probe. Mothership core for both players.
4:00 Both players getting a stalker, Ruin's is faster. Twilight council for Ruin. Ruin loses his scouting probe. Panic chronoboosting his gateways for stalker production. Third gateway for Panic.
5:00 Panic moving out with his stalkers and mothership core. Ruin getting blink. Panic moving into the main and killing a stalker with a time warp. Nexus cannon activated, 5 stalkers to two.
6:00 Ruin 34 vs Panic 41 Ruin getting a robotics facility. Nexus cannon finishes up. Panic forces pulled probes and unpowers a pylon. Proxy pylon finishing up in the main of Ruin. Ruin GG's! Panic goes up 1-0!
On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
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your warnings for balance whine get more ridiculous from day to day. artosis said the exact same thing just without the "design" and "really cool to watch" part.
On February 12 2014 20:39 Destructicon wrote: Ok, this series has some huge potential for a lot of bad puns given that the two competitors are named Ruin and Panic.
On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
User was warned for this post
your warnings for balance whine get more ridiculous from day to day. artosis said the exact same thing just without the "really cool to watch" part.
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On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
User was warned for this post
your warnings for balance whine get more ridiculous from day to day. artosis said the exact same thing just without the "really cool to watch" part.
Don't be mad, I'm not
Please stop being passive-aggressive, it is very annoying :\
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I voted 5 stars for this btw, really amazing game.
On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
User was warned for this post
your warnings for balance whine get more ridiculous from day to day. artosis said the exact same thing just without the "really cool to watch" part.
Don't be mad, I'm not
Please stop being passive-aggressive, it is very annoying :\
On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
User was warned for this post
your warnings for balance whine get more ridiculous from day to day. artosis said the exact same thing just without the "really cool to watch" part.
Don't be mad, I'm not
well it's not even that im mad, it just kinda feels weird
On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
User was warned for this post
your warnings for balance whine get more ridiculous from day to day. artosis said the exact same thing just without the "design" and "really cool to watch" part.
The rule isn't "don't balance whine that hasn't been echoed by other people", it's "don't balance whine"
Also the amount of trying-my-best-to-whine-without-explicitly-breaking-the-rules-even-though-it's-clear-my-intention-is-to-whine probably contributes.
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I voted 5 stars for this btw, really amazing game.
Excellent choice. And wtf I spelled it loser's. I guess that's what happens when you haven't slept for 50 hours
On February 12 2014 20:43 ThePlagueJG wrote: I understand that people dislike protoss, but I've never really heard of Zerg being massively in a bad position vs toss.
On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
User was warned for this post
your warnings for balance whine get more ridiculous from day to day. artosis said the exact same thing just without the "design" and "really cool to watch" part.
I once got a warning for writing that I didn't expect a race to win on one of the maps in a series. To this day I still don't understand why I got that warning :D
On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
User was warned for this post
your warnings for balance whine get more ridiculous from day to day. artosis said the exact same thing just without the "design" and "really cool to watch" part.
The rule isn't "don't balance whine that hasn't been echoed by other people", it's "don't balance whine"
you saying artosis is balance whining!? JUDAS!!! :D
On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
User was warned for this post
your warnings for balance whine get more ridiculous from day to day. artosis said the exact same thing just without the "design" and "really cool to watch" part.
I just feel the warnings should be for both balance whining and for balance whining baiting. Like these days when a Protoss players stomps a Terran the threads explode in "Rofl, Terran player is so bad - Protoss is far superior". Then some Terran player baits and says something regarding balance and gets an instant warning. Feels weird.
Also voted 5 stars on that game. It was fast and we did not have to see the war of the Lazers I really prefer PvP the old school way. Your micro vs mine. Lets battle this out quick and dirty.
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I voted 5 stars for this btw, really amazing game.
Excellent choice. And wtf I spelled it loser's. I guess that's what happens when you haven't slept for 50 hours
On the anniversary of this spectacular video, cocaines a hell of a drug!
2:00 Gateways for both players, followed by an assimilator. Second assimilator for both players, and a cybernetics core. Both players scouting, Ruin checking his natural first.
3:00 Second gateway for Panic. Mothership core for both players. Ruin starting a sentry.
4:00 Ruin getting a twilight council. Panic getting a sentry and a proxy pylon in the far bottom left. Mothership core for Ruin moving out.
5:00 Two more gateways for ruin. Proxy stargate on the way for Panic. Panic doesn't lose probes to the mothership core, but Ruin loses one.
On February 12 2014 19:59 bo1b wrote: I think it's really good design that protoss can generate such amazing amounts of pressure that has to be responded to thanks to even just the possibility of warp in, and then if they decide they don't want to commit can just recall away. Really cool to watch
User was warned for this post
your warnings for balance whine get more ridiculous from day to day. artosis said the exact same thing just without the "design" and "really cool to watch" part.
Also voted 5 stars on that game. It was fast and we did not have to see the war of the Lazers I really prefer PvP the old school way. Your micro vs mine. Lets battle this out quick and dirty.
This is why I voted 5 stars for it. Even though the game was shockingly one sided, it was refreshingly quick. I shouldn't have voted 5 stars, more like 3. Oh well.
2:00 Gateways for both players, followed by an assimilator. Second assimilator for both players, and a cybernetics core. Both players scouting, Ruin checking his natural first.
3:00 Second gateway for Panic. Mothership core for both players. Ruin starting a sentry.
4:00 Ruin getting a twilight council. Panic getting a sentry and a proxy pylon in the far bottom left. Mothership core for Ruin moving out.
5:00 Two more gateways for ruin. Proxy stargate on the way for Panic. Panic doesn't lose probes to the mothership core, but Ruin loses one.
6:00 Ruin 33 vs Panic 40 Robotics facility for both players. Oracle finishing up for Panic. Four kills on the oracle and it gets out alive.
7:00 Ruin 35 vs Panic 43 Panic expanding and chronoboosting out an immortal. Ruin also expanding. Oracle gets another probe.
8:00 Ruin 44 vs Panic 54 Mothership core unpowers the proxy stargate of Panic. PAnic has a slight army advantage. Forge for Panic.
9:00 Ruin 52 vs Panic 59 Ruin starting a forge as well. Panic getting an observer. Ruin trying to kill the stargate with the mothership core. Oracle nearly gets killed by blink stalkers. Both players getting +1 attack.
10:00 Ruin 60 vs Panic 65 Ruin ahead in workers but behind for army. Envision on the main of Ruin. Hallucinated phoenixes scouting around for both players. Ruin getting charge zealots.
2:00 Gateways for both players, followed by an assimilator. Second assimilator for both players, and a cybernetics core. Both players scouting, Ruin checking his natural first.
3:00 Second gateway for Panic. Mothership core for both players. Ruin starting a sentry.
4:00 Ruin getting a twilight council. Panic getting a sentry and a proxy pylon in the far bottom left. Mothership core for Ruin moving out.
5:00 Two more gateways for ruin. Proxy stargate on the way for Panic. Panic doesn't lose probes to the mothership core, but Ruin loses one.
6:00 Ruin 33 vs Panic 40 Robotics facility for both players. Oracle finishing up for Panic. Four kills on the oracle and it gets out alive.
7:00 Ruin 35 vs Panic 43 Panic expanding and chronoboosting out an immortal. Ruin also expanding. Oracle gets another probe.
8:00 Ruin 44 vs Panic 54 Mothership core unpowers the proxy stargate of Panic. PAnic has a slight army advantage. Forge for Panic.
9:00 Ruin 52 vs Panic 59 Ruin starting a forge as well. Panic getting an observer. Ruin trying to kill the stargate with the mothership core. Oracle nearly gets killed by blink stalkers. Both players getting +1 attack.
10:00 Ruin 60 vs Panic 65 Ruin ahead in workers but behind for army. Envision on the main of Ruin. Hallucinated phoenixes scouting around for both players. Ruin getting charge zealots.
On February 12 2014 20:52 Heartland wrote: bah, I want to see Parting's WP+HT snipe on an MSC
When I saw that yesterday I felt like "hey, that is so obvious, why isnt everyone doing that and why has it took so long to figure ut out?" and still it was so beautiful.
2:00 Gateways for both players, followed by an assimilator. Second assimilator for both players, and a cybernetics core. Both players scouting, Ruin checking his natural first.
3:00 Second gateway for Panic. Mothership core for both players. Ruin starting a sentry.
4:00 Ruin getting a twilight council. Panic getting a sentry and a proxy pylon in the far bottom left. Mothership core for Ruin moving out.
5:00 Two more gateways for ruin. Proxy stargate on the way for Panic. Panic doesn't lose probes to the mothership core, but Ruin loses one.
6:00 Ruin 33 vs Panic 40 Robotics facility for both players. Oracle finishing up for Panic. Four kills on the oracle and it gets out alive.
7:00 Ruin 35 vs Panic 43 Panic expanding and chronoboosting out an immortal. Ruin also expanding. Oracle gets another probe.
8:00 Ruin 44 vs Panic 54 Mothership core unpowers the proxy stargate of Panic. PAnic has a slight army advantage. Forge for Panic.
9:00 Ruin 52 vs Panic 59 Ruin starting a forge as well. Panic getting an observer. Ruin trying to kill the stargate with the mothership core. Oracle nearly gets killed by blink stalkers. Both players getting +1 attack.
10:00 Ruin 60 vs Panic 65 Ruin ahead in workers but behind for army. Envision on the main of Ruin. Hallucinated phoenixes scouting around for both players. Ruin getting charge zealots.
11:00 Ruin 70 vs Panic 61 Ruin loses a stalker to immortals. Ruin getting 3 gateways and a templar archives. So is Panic, except 4 gateways.
12:00 Ruin 85 vs Panic 88 Warp prism and archons for Panic. +2 for both players. Ruin getting a third base. Ruin finally killed the proxy stargate. Feedback on the oracle kills it.
13:00 Ruin 95 vs Panic 96 Four more gateways for Ruin. Panic taking a third base.
14:00 Ruin 108 vs Panic 116 Panic moving out and doesn't manage to kill a few stray stalkers. Panic moving towards the third and dropping into the main with tons of zealots. Panic attacking the third and there are lots of zealots still in the main.
15:00 Ruin 103 vs Panic 132 Ruin moves into the natural. Panic attacking archons with immortals. Panic manages to hold. Ruin lost his main nexus. Ruin GG's! Panic wins 2-0!
On February 12 2014 20:52 Heartland wrote: bah, I want to see Parting's WP+HT snipe on an MSC
When I saw that yesterday I felt like "hey, that is so obvious, why isnt everyone doing that and why has it took so long to figure ut out?" and still it was so beautiful.
Yeah, and if Ruin had an HT with his ground army he would have killed the MSC as the army attached the third Nexus and then won the game as he killed the army.
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Poll: Recommend loser's match game 3?
★★★ - Good game (4)
67%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend loser's match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
2:00 Gateways for both players, followed by an assimilator. Second assimilator for both players, and a cybernetics core. Both players scouting, Ruin checking his natural first.
3:00 Second gateway for Panic. Mothership core for both players. Ruin starting a sentry.
4:00 Ruin getting a twilight council. Panic getting a sentry and a proxy pylon in the far bottom left. Mothership core for Ruin moving out.
5:00 Two more gateways for ruin. Proxy stargate on the way for Panic. Panic doesn't lose probes to the mothership core, but Ruin loses one.
6:00 Ruin 33 vs Panic 40 Robotics facility for both players. Oracle finishing up for Panic. Four kills on the oracle and it gets out alive.
7:00 Ruin 35 vs Panic 43 Panic expanding and chronoboosting out an immortal. Ruin also expanding. Oracle gets another probe.
8:00 Ruin 44 vs Panic 54 Mothership core unpowers the proxy stargate of Panic. PAnic has a slight army advantage. Forge for Panic.
9:00 Ruin 52 vs Panic 59 Ruin starting a forge as well. Panic getting an observer. Ruin trying to kill the stargate with the mothership core. Oracle nearly gets killed by blink stalkers. Both players getting +1 attack.
10:00 Ruin 60 vs Panic 65 Ruin ahead in workers but behind for army. Envision on the main of Ruin. Hallucinated phoenixes scouting around for both players. Ruin getting charge zealots.
Since when do stronger team colors also color the spell like storm and time warp as well? Maybe I wasn't paying attention but I think this is the case only in GSL.
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend loser's match game 3?
★★★ - Good game (4)
67%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend loser's match game 3?
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On February 12 2014 20:55 Qwerty85 wrote: Since when do stronger team colors also color the spell like storm and time warp as well? Maybe I wasn't paying attention but I think this is the case only in GSL.
They use some kind of game altering display, like Game Heart or something. Also displays crucial upgrades are getting finished, etc.
On February 12 2014 20:55 Qwerty85 wrote: Since when do stronger team colors also color the spell like storm and time warp as well? Maybe I wasn't paying attention but I think this is the case only in GSL.
Again, I spotted one of Ruin's Archons derping behind the Immortals not firing any shot till the battle was over. It feels like the guy still needs to work a lot on his battle micro, he made similar mistakes vs sOs.
On February 12 2014 20:56 Destructicon wrote: Again, I spotted one of Ruin's Archons derping behind the Immortals not firing any shot till the battle was over. It feels like the guy still needs to work a lot on his battle micro, he made similar mistakes vs sOs.
Well that clearly was not his biggest misstake. Unless you unspotted his Stalker controll G1
On February 12 2014 20:57 Derez wrote: The stronger team colors are distracting. Only match-up where it might be needed is ZvZ, other than that just picking decent colors works fine.
Its nice for the Archons I think. Also it actually displays which side that is casting Force Fields and Storms. However those two spells are quite rare in PvP so I guess it more disturbs than helps.
On February 12 2014 20:56 Destructicon wrote: Again, I spotted one of Ruin's Archons derping behind the Immortals not firing any shot till the battle was over. It feels like the guy still needs to work a lot on his battle micro, he made similar mistakes vs sOs.
Well that clearly was not his biggest misstake. Unless you unspotted his Stalker controll G1
I was referring strictly to this game. Its quite worrisome given that Protoss needs quite a lot of precision regarding their army, especially in PvP, hope Ruin doesn't give up though, he is on IM and they've had a history of developing good players over time.
On February 12 2014 20:56 Destructicon wrote: Again, I spotted one of Ruin's Archons derping behind the Immortals not firing any shot till the battle was over. It feels like the guy still needs to work a lot on his battle micro, he made similar mistakes vs sOs.
Well that clearly was not his biggest misstake. Unless you unspotted his Stalker controll G1
I was referring strictly to this game. Its quite worrisome given that Protoss needs quite a lot of precision regarding their army, especially in PvP, hope Ruin doesn't give up though, he is on IM and they've had a history of developing good players over time.
Well as I said earlier in the thread Ruin displayed platinum level micro today. Might be because he is nervous, but he clearly was nowhere close to the average Code S-level today.
On February 12 2014 20:57 Derez wrote: The stronger team colors are distracting. Only match-up where it might be needed is ZvZ, other than that just picking decent colors works fine.
Its nice for the Archons I think. Also it actually displays which side that is casting Force Fields and Storms. However those two spells are quite rare in PvP so I guess it more disturbs than helps.
I quite like to not know who casted what. It's so funnily chaotic this way sometimes :D
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend loser's match game 3?
★★★ - Good game (4)
67%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend loser's match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend loser's match game 3?
★★★ - Good game (4)
67%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend loser's match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On February 12 2014 20:55 Qwerty85 wrote: Since when do stronger team colors also color the spell like storm and time warp as well? Maybe I wasn't paying attention but I think this is the case only in GSL.
I think it's a new thing in gameheart
Yeah STC is great at first but coloring stuff like storms, forcefields, time warps etc. looks bad. But that addition that shows upgrade as it about to finish is great addition
On February 12 2014 20:57 Derez wrote: The stronger team colors are distracting. Only match-up where it might be needed is ZvZ, other than that just picking decent colors works fine.
Its nice for the Archons I think. Also it actually displays which side that is casting Force Fields and Storms. However those two spells are quite rare in PvP so I guess it more disturbs than helps.
I quite like to not know who casted what. It's so funnily chaotic this way sometimes :D
Try turning of all saturation from your screen and you will have a nice mass of BW (Black and White, not Brood War) units to enjoy!
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend loser's match game 3?
★★★ - Good game (4)
67%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend loser's match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend loser's match game 3?
★★★ - Good game (4)
67%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend loser's match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
vote you bastards
Just got back, didn't see the games, but as you asked.... so I did !
I've always suspected that Gom's awful numetal and christian rock music selection was because of Tasteless. This just gives me more circumstantial evidence
Panic spawns in the bottom right sOs spawns in the top left
2:00 Both players getting a gateway followed by one assimilator. Second assimilator for Panic. Both players start a cybernetics core.
3:00 Stalker first for Panic. sOs getting a mothership core. sOs getting a twilight council. sOS scouting the entire main of Panic
4:00 Dark shrine for sOs. Mothership core for Panic Two more gateways for Panic.
5:00 Robotics facility for sOs. sOs getting a proxy pylon. Blink for Panic. sOs warps in a DT from a dying proxy pylon.
6:00 DT manages to not get into the main due to FF's. Pylon wall in Panic's main. Observer on the way for Panic. sOs expanding. Panic has three useless sentries now.
7:00 sOs kills two sentries and a pylon before losing the DT.
On February 12 2014 21:08 Heartland wrote: I've always suspected that Gom's awful numetal and christian rock music selection was because of Tasteless. This just gives me more circumstantial evidence
Panic spawns in the bottom right sOs spawns in the top left
2:00 Both players getting a gateway followed by one assimilator. Second assimilator for Panic. Both players start a cybernetics core.
3:00 Stalker first for Panic. sOs getting a mothership core. sOs getting a twilight council. sOS scouting the entire main of Panic
4:00 Dark shrine for sOs. Mothership core for Panic Two more gateways for Panic.
5:00 Robotics facility for sOs. sOs getting a proxy pylon. Blink for Panic. sOs warps in a DT from a dying proxy pylon.
6:00 DT manages to not get into the main due to FF's. Pylon wall in Panic's main. Observer on the way for Panic. sOs expanding. Panic has three useless sentries now.
7:00 sOs kills two sentries and a pylon before losing the DT.
8:00 sOs 54 vs Panic 45 sOs has another DT lurking around. Panic expanding and moving out with stalkers. Both players getting a forge.
9:00 sOs 58 vs Panic 48 Hallucinated phoenix from sOs scouts everything. Robotics bay for sOs. Panic moving out with five stalkers. sOs has two immortals already.
10:00 sOs 74 vs Panic 61 Panic loses a stalker to the immortals and gets away. Panic has an observer to get ready to blink into the main but sOs has a pylon at the edge of his main and Panic backs off. Extended thermal lance for sOs.
On February 12 2014 20:57 Derez wrote: The stronger team colors are distracting. Only match-up where it might be needed is ZvZ, other than that just picking decent colors works fine.
I don't really care about most units, but for some (like Archons) it really looks weird. Agree with you because of that.
On February 12 2014 21:12 DethAdder wrote: Between finding out Tasteless may be a poser nerd by lack of Star Trek knowledge and Artosis not knowing Bloodhound gang I just don't know
On February 12 2014 21:12 DethAdder wrote: Between finding out Tasteless may be a poser nerd by lack of Star Trek knowledge and Artosis not knowing Bloodhound gang I just don't know
Panic spawns in the bottom right sOs spawns in the top left
2:00 Both players getting a gateway followed by one assimilator. Second assimilator for Panic. Both players start a cybernetics core.
3:00 Stalker first for Panic. sOs getting a mothership core. sOs getting a twilight council. sOS scouting the entire main of Panic
4:00 Dark shrine for sOs. Mothership core for Panic Two more gateways for Panic.
5:00 Robotics facility for sOs. sOs getting a proxy pylon. Blink for Panic. sOs warps in a DT from a dying proxy pylon.
6:00 DT manages to not get into the main due to FF's. Pylon wall in Panic's main. Observer on the way for Panic. sOs expanding. Panic has three useless sentries now.
7:00 sOs kills two sentries and a pylon before losing the DT.
8:00 sOs 54 vs Panic 45 sOs has another DT lurking around. Panic expanding and moving out with stalkers. Both players getting a forge.
9:00 sOs 58 vs Panic 48 Hallucinated phoenix from sOs scouts everything. Robotics bay for sOs. Panic moving out with five stalkers. sOs has two immortals already.
10:00 sOs 74 vs Panic 61 Panic loses a stalker to the immortals and gets away. Panic has an observer to get ready to blink into the main but sOs has a pylon at the edge of his main and Panic backs off. Extended thermal lance for sOs.
11:00 sOs 84 vs Panic 75 +2 starting for sOs, +1 finishing for Panic. sOs taking a third base. sOs building up immortals. Templar archives for sOS.
12:00 sOs 98 vs Panic 84 sOs getting three more gateways. Panic taking a third base. Panic loses a proxy pylon and gets slightly supply blocked.
13:00 sOs 107 vs Panic 88 Panic kills a colossus with his blink stalkers, losing only two. Fleet beacon on the way for Panic.
14:00 sOs 127 vs Panic 98 +3 attack for sOs, +2 attack finishing for Panic. sOs moving towards the center of the map. Panic also moving out but retreats when he sees sOs's army.
15:00 sOs 149 vs Panic 125 Panic is panicing and chronoboosting tempests. Panic moving out but losing his third base. sOs moving into the natural with some zealots while recalling his army to his third. Panic pulling probes to defend the zealots and backing away with his main army.
Panic spawns in the bottom right sOs spawns in the top left
2:00 Both players getting a gateway followed by one assimilator. Second assimilator for Panic. Both players start a cybernetics core.
3:00 Stalker first for Panic. sOs getting a mothership core. sOs getting a twilight council. sOS scouting the entire main of Panic
4:00 Dark shrine for sOs. Mothership core for Panic Two more gateways for Panic.
5:00 Robotics facility for sOs. sOs getting a proxy pylon. Blink for Panic. sOs warps in a DT from a dying proxy pylon.
6:00 DT manages to not get into the main due to FF's. Pylon wall in Panic's main. Observer on the way for Panic. sOs expanding. Panic has three useless sentries now.
7:00 sOs kills two sentries and a pylon before losing the DT.
8:00 sOs 54 vs Panic 45 sOs has another DT lurking around. Panic expanding and moving out with stalkers. Both players getting a forge.
9:00 sOs 58 vs Panic 48 Hallucinated phoenix from sOs scouts everything. Robotics bay for sOs. Panic moving out with five stalkers. sOs has two immortals already.
10:00 sOs 74 vs Panic 61 Panic loses a stalker to the immortals and gets away. Panic has an observer to get ready to blink into the main but sOs has a pylon at the edge of his main and Panic backs off. Extended thermal lance for sOs.
11:00 sOs 84 vs Panic 75 +2 starting for sOs, +1 finishing for Panic. sOs taking a third base. sOs building up immortals. Templar archives for sOS.
12:00 sOs 98 vs Panic 84 sOs getting three more gateways. Panic taking a third base. Panic loses a proxy pylon and gets slightly supply blocked.
13:00 sOs 107 vs Panic 88 Panic kills a colossus with his blink stalkers, losing only two. Fleet beacon on the way for Panic.
14:00 sOs 127 vs Panic 98 +3 attack for sOs, +2 attack finishing for Panic. sOs moving towards the center of the map. Panic also moving out but retreats when he sees sOs's army.
15:00 sOs 149 vs Panic 125 Panic is panicing and chronoboosting tempests. Panic moving out but losing his third base. sOs moving into the natural with some zealots while recalling his army to his third. Panic pulling probes to defend the zealots and backing away with his main army.
16:00 sOs 152 vs Panic 123 sOs puts a DT in the natural of Panic and distracts a bunch of probes. +1 air weapons and three more stargates for Panic.
17:00 sOs 159 vs Panic 132 sOs getting two void rays at a time and another stargate. Tempests are revealed by Panic.
18:00 sOs 165 vs Panic 131 Panic moving out with his army again. sOs taking a fourth base. Panic taking a 4th base. sOs easily defending his third base.
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Actually, aliens with superior technology winning in the end sounds like a better end for an alien movie than their ship getting infected by some trojan from Earth which completely disables their shields.
Or when they come to a planet with like 70% water and we found out they are allergic to water.
Or when they die to a bacteria despite having way more advanced medicine than humans..
On February 12 2014 21:21 Qwerty85 wrote: Actually, aliens with superior technology winning in the end sounds like a better end for an alien movie than their ship getting infected by some trojan from Earth which completely disables their shields.
Or when they come to a planet with like 70% water and we found out they are allergic to water.
Or when they die to a bacteria despite having way more advanced medicine than humans..
list could go on...
And then the plot twist, the Humans where actually the invading alines, who conquered the stars and systematically destroyed everything, like a massive space virus, lead by greed and selfishness.
On February 12 2014 21:21 Qwerty85 wrote: Actually, aliens with superior technology winning in the end sounds like a better end for an alien movie than their ship getting infected by some trojan from Earth which completely disables their shields.
Or when they come to a planet with like 70% water and we found out they are allergic to water.
Or when they die to a bacteria despite having way more advanced medicine than humans..
list could go on...
And then the plot twist, the Humans where actually the invading alines, who conquered the stars and systematically destroyed everything, like a massive space virus, lead by greed and selfishness.
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend final match game 3?
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
33%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
33%
★★★ - Good game (1)
33%
★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend final match game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Panic spawns in the top right sOs spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Both players getting a gateway followed by two assimilators. Cybernetics core for both players.
3:00 Second gateway for Panic. sOs scouting Panic's main base. sOs getting a sentry first. Both players getting a mothership core.
4:00 Both players getting a twilight council. Mothership core for both players scouting around the map.
5:00 Third gateway for Panic, two more for sOs. Dark Shrine for sOs, blink for Panic. Stalkers for Panic looking to move out.
6:00 sOs 39 vs Panic 36 Both players getting a proxy pylon. Panic is on four gateways.
7:00 sOs 40 vs Panic 44 Panic moving towards the main of sOs with blink stalkers. Panic starts losing probes to DTs and GG's! sOs wins 2-0 and advances!
On February 12 2014 21:21 Qwerty85 wrote: Actually, aliens with superior technology winning in the end sounds like a better end for an alien movie than their ship getting infected by some trojan from Earth which completely disables their shields.
Or when they come to a planet with like 70% water and we found out they are allergic to water.
Or when they die to a bacteria despite having way more advanced medicine than humans..
list could go on...
And then the plot twist, the Humans where actually the invading alines, who conquered the stars and systematically destroyed everything, like a massive space virus, lead by greed and selfishness.
Is that the Prometheus plot twist?
No, at least I don't think so. In fact apart from Avatar, Humans where always portrayed as the heroes, the ones fighting for survival.
On February 12 2014 21:27 Noonius wrote: I mean, how can protoss players say that the planned nerfs are gonna mess up pvp. It can't get any worse than what we just saw
On February 12 2014 21:21 Qwerty85 wrote: Actually, aliens with superior technology winning in the end sounds like a better end for an alien movie than their ship getting infected by some trojan from Earth which completely disables their shields.
Or when they come to a planet with like 70% water and we found out they are allergic to water.
Or when they die to a bacteria despite having way more advanced medicine than humans..
list could go on...
And then the plot twist, the Humans where actually the invading alines, who conquered the stars and systematically destroyed everything, like a massive space virus, lead by greed and selfishness.
Is that the Prometheus plot twist?
No, at least I don't think so. In fact apart from Avatar, Humans where always portrayed as the heroes, the ones fighting for survival.
On February 12 2014 21:21 Qwerty85 wrote: Actually, aliens with superior technology winning in the end sounds like a better end for an alien movie than their ship getting infected by some trojan from Earth which completely disables their shields.
Or when they come to a planet with like 70% water and we found out they are allergic to water.
Or when they die to a bacteria despite having way more advanced medicine than humans..
list could go on...
Signs was apparently demon aliens defeated by holy water. Not arguing the rest though.
On February 12 2014 21:21 Qwerty85 wrote: Actually, aliens with superior technology winning in the end sounds like a better end for an alien movie than their ship getting infected by some trojan from Earth which completely disables their shields.
Or when they come to a planet with like 70% water and we found out they are allergic to water.
Or when they die to a bacteria despite having way more advanced medicine than humans..
list could go on...
And then the plot twist, the Humans where actually the invading alines, who conquered the stars and systematically destroyed everything, like a massive space virus, lead by greed and selfishness.
Is that the Prometheus plot twist?
No, at least I don't think so. In fact apart from Avatar, Humans where always portrayed as the heroes, the ones fighting for survival.
Not in Starship Troopers (the movie).
They attacked first! (Iirc) edit: Qwerty85 also said so
On February 12 2014 21:21 Qwerty85 wrote: Actually, aliens with superior technology winning in the end sounds like a better end for an alien movie than their ship getting infected by some trojan from Earth which completely disables their shields.
Or when they come to a planet with like 70% water and we found out they are allergic to water.
Or when they die to a bacteria despite having way more advanced medicine than humans..
list could go on...
And then the plot twist, the Humans where actually the invading alines, who conquered the stars and systematically destroyed everything, like a massive space virus, lead by greed and selfishness.
Is that the Prometheus plot twist?
No, at least I don't think so. In fact apart from Avatar, Humans where always portrayed as the heroes, the ones fighting for survival.
Not in Starship Troopers (the movie).
As far as I remember in Starship Troopers they invade the bug planet because bugs attacked first. So again, humans fighting for survival.
I know there was one Twilight Zone episode where aliens come to serve humans.
On February 12 2014 21:21 Qwerty85 wrote: Actually, aliens with superior technology winning in the end sounds like a better end for an alien movie than their ship getting infected by some trojan from Earth which completely disables their shields.
Or when they come to a planet with like 70% water and we found out they are allergic to water.
Or when they die to a bacteria despite having way more advanced medicine than humans..
list could go on...
And then the plot twist, the Humans where actually the invading alines, who conquered the stars and systematically destroyed everything, like a massive space virus, lead by greed and selfishness.
Is that the Prometheus plot twist?
No, at least I don't think so. In fact apart from Avatar, Humans where always portrayed as the heroes, the ones fighting for survival.
Not in Starship Troopers (the movie).
As far as I remember in Starship Troopers they invade the bug planet because bugs attacked first. So again, humans fighting for survival.
I know there was one Twilight Zone episode where aliens come to serve humans.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
On February 12 2014 21:21 Qwerty85 wrote: Actually, aliens with superior technology winning in the end sounds like a better end for an alien movie than their ship getting infected by some trojan from Earth which completely disables their shields.
Or when they come to a planet with like 70% water and we found out they are allergic to water.
Or when they die to a bacteria despite having way more advanced medicine than humans..
list could go on...
And then the plot twist, the Humans where actually the invading alines, who conquered the stars and systematically destroyed everything, like a massive space virus, lead by greed and selfishness.
Is that the Prometheus plot twist?
No, at least I don't think so. In fact apart from Avatar, Humans where always portrayed as the heroes, the ones fighting for survival.
In the ender saga it's a little bit more complicated than that, even if at the begining the bugs are described as evil !
On February 12 2014 21:34 sharkie wrote: Expected results, really.
No upsets in this GSL anyway. Favourites always advance
Zest was a favourite over Leenock and SuperNova?
Yes Zest and Trap were the favorites and not because they are protoss but because their results in 2013 were much better and Leenock and SuperNova were losing a lot.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
Yeah but balance should be much better today than 2 years ago.
On February 12 2014 21:27 Noonius wrote: I mean, how can protoss players say that the planned nerfs are gonna mess up pvp. It can't get any worse than what we just saw
In term of favorites/better player winning, it's quite good recently. At least it's less coin flippy than it was. With the MSC nerf, the coin flip is likely to be back.
The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf
The situation isn't comparable to the one we have today. Back then, it was only in code S that terrans were dominanted, and thus a possible explanation is simply variance - either in terms of results or simply a couple of terrans being superior to their protoss and zerg counterparts.
However, for almost 6 months, we have had protoss being extremely dominant everywhere (ladder, foreign scene, korea etc.), which gives us a much stronger indication of a balance problem.
On February 12 2014 21:46 DiMano wrote: Very sad for Panic he is the most talanted StarTale player but his group was very strong
I wouldn't say he is the most talented one, but he sure has potential to become the staple protoss for StarTale. I think he has it in him. Losing to those 2 players is expected. Next season, he might be a greater force to be reckoned with.
On February 12 2014 21:21 Qwerty85 wrote: Actually, aliens with superior technology winning in the end sounds like a better end for an alien movie than their ship getting infected by some trojan from Earth which completely disables their shields.
Or when they come to a planet with like 70% water and we found out they are allergic to water.
Or when they die to a bacteria despite having way more advanced medicine than humans..
list could go on...
And then the plot twist, the Humans where actually the invading alines, who conquered the stars and systematically destroyed everything, like a massive space virus, lead by greed and selfishness.
Is that the Prometheus plot twist?
No, at least I don't think so. In fact apart from Avatar, Humans where always portrayed as the heroes, the ones fighting for survival.
In the ender saga it's a little bit more complicated than that, even if at the begining the bugs are described as evil !
In the Starship Troopers movie it's not quite clear that the bugs are evil.
And besides, we all know that in Starcraft 3 the grand reveal will be that the zerg are actually cuddly and friendly creatures that meant no harm to anyone and that were forced against their will to kill stuff thanks to psionic mind control.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up.
There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever.
The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf
The situation isn't comparable to the one we have today. Back then, it was only in code S that terrans were dominanted, and stuff like that could easily be explained by variance, either in terms of results or simply a couple of terrans being superior to their protoss and zerg counterparts.
However, for almost 6 months, we have had protoss being extremely dominant everywhere (ladder, foreign scene, korea etc.), which gives us a much stronger indication of a balance problem.
In the beginning of Code S it was also impossible to drop down to Code A. If I remeber correctly you needed to lose in the first round of Code S (be last in your group), everyone else stayed in. So basically once you got your spot it was much easier to hold it than in current format.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
Do not remind me about these seasons plz I have had enough nightmares about this year. Uncountarable 1-1-1 any day every day and zergs had no idea how to counter 10 min terran 3 tank pushes...
On February 12 2014 21:46 DiMano wrote: Very sad for Panic he is the most talanted StarTale player but his group was very strong
I wouldn't say he is the most talented one, but he sure has potential to become the staple protoss for StarTale. I think he has it in him. Losing to those 2 players is expected. Next season, he might be a greater force to be reckoned with.
To be correct here the most talanted was Avenge but he retired then goes Pet and then Panic, Zero and Booster unfortunately lack results
On February 12 2014 21:27 Noonius wrote: I mean, how can protoss players say that the planned nerfs are gonna mess up pvp. It can't get any worse than what we just saw
In term of favorites/better player winning, it's quite good recently. At least it's less coin flippy than it was. With the MSC nerf, the coin flip is likely to be back.
The same has been said about ZvZ (Idra: "Overlords should be able to teleport to the opponents base in ZvZ) and TvT can be random aswell. All match ups can be when scouting is denied. However, still having a flying 9-vision unit instantly, free hallucination, Oracles and what not should still atleast give some information regarding what is going on on the other side of the map. I find the argument about PvP becoming coinflip so weird - as if Protoss should have free scouting to always be able to make the right desiscions. Its not like any other race have that luxuary. Why dont we just turn of Fog of War in PvP?
See it from the other perspective - every Terran build not including safety vs Blink, Oracles, gate-all ins, etc. is coinflippy because Terran dont actually have great ways to scout all of this. I never hear any complaining words from Protoss players regarding this O.o
I am sure we wont see weak Protoss players taking games from Parting, Zest and the likes just because a vision change on the MSC. The players has to be a lot more even for that to happend. Watching the games today, I can say there is no doubt that the best Protoss players would have won vs Ruin and Panic any day, any week with Vision 9 or vision 14. They just are not at the same level as the top Protosses.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
Yeah but balance should be much better today than 2 years ago.
Statistically, it's more natural to have some balance variations on short periods of time. The shorter the period, the more variations in race distribution. From a pure statistical point of view, it is more acceptable to allow these statistical variations on a shorter period of time than on a longer one, as the sample size is smaller. In 2011, you say the game was still young, maybe, but it was also a bigger sample size. Now from a starcraft player point of view, I agree blink looks op on certain maps, and the msc range might have something to do with it. This is correct to deal with the imbalance occuring now, I just wished people in 2011 reacted the same way we do now, not pretending "protoss are just noobs, they deserve to lose"...
The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf
The situation isn't comparable to the one we have today. Back then, it was only in code S that terrans were dominanted
No it was the case for pretty much all the bigger events where a lot of koreans were involved. Even the overall balance chart shows it. Edit : (http://aligulac.com/reports/balance/ -> performance difference).
I was originally going to do Group D too, but I'm too fucked up from constant anxiety and panic attacks, and not having slept since Sunday. Woe truly is me. D:
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up.
There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever.
Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up.
There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever.
Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
Yeah Kespa's terran problems started already in late BW, and with Flash and Fantasy both adapting poorly to SC2, there's not many terrans left for them. To top it off, almost all non-kespa terran talent simply doesn't participate in GSL. This low terran count in GSL is probably a trend we'll see continue in the future simply because the old Code S players left for EU and NA.
Somehow I ended up re-iterating your post, but I just want to say I agree. :p
There are some potential GSL stars for the future though, like TY. But right now they're not quite there.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up.
There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever.
Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
Yeah Kespa's terran problems started already in late BW, and with Flash and Fantasy both adapting poorly to SC2, there's not many terrans left for them. To top it off, almost all non-kespa terran talent simply doesn't participate in GSL. This low terran count in GSL is probably a trend we'll see continue in the future simply because the old Code S players left for EU and NA.
Somehow I ended up re-iterating your post, but I just want to say I agree. :p
There are some potential GSL stars for the future though, like TY. But right now they're not quite there.
Yeah, regarding the korean scene it looks right indeed.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up.
There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever.
Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
Yeah Kespa's terran problems started already in late BW, and with Flash and Fantasy both adapting poorly to SC2, there's not many terrans left for them. To top it off, almost all non-kespa terran talent simply doesn't participate in GSL. This low terran count in GSL is probably a trend we'll see continue in the future simply because the old Code S players left for EU and NA.
Somehow I ended up re-iterating your post, but I just want to say I agree. :p
There are some potential GSL stars for the future though, like TY. But right now they're not quite there.
You know what happened to those non-Kespa terrans that are in WCS NA and EU that all the protoss claim are the TvP saviors(Jjakji, Polt, Bomber, Taeja)? They were outperformed by non-Kespa protosses that also play in WCS NA/EU (MC, San, Stardust) at IEM and ASUS. You could make the arguement that if we had all the Koreans back in GSL, we would have MORE protosses.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up.
There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever.
Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
Why are you looking at OSL performance? I think it is pretty much known that being at the top of BW doesn't really translate to SC2. Look at Jangbi, Stork, Bisu. Most of the top Kespa Ps were mid tier at best. Dear, sOs, herO, Rain (who was up and coming I guess) Trap, Zest, Sora. It is successful Zergs that have translated the most.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up.
There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever.
Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
Yeah Kespa's terran problems started already in late BW, and with Flash and Fantasy both adapting poorly to SC2, there's not many terrans left for them. To top it off, almost all non-kespa terran talent simply doesn't participate in GSL. This low terran count in GSL is probably a trend we'll see continue in the future simply because the old Code S players left for EU and NA.
Somehow I ended up re-iterating your post, but I just want to say I agree. :p
There are some potential GSL stars for the future though, like TY. But right now they're not quite there.
You know what happened to those non-Kespa terrans that are in WCS NA and EU that all the protoss claim are the TvP saviors(Jjakji, Polt, Bomber, Taeja)? They were outperformed by non-Kespa protosses that also play in WCS NA/EU (MC, San, Stardust) at IEM and ASUS. You could make the arguement that if we had all the Koreans back in GSL, we would have MORE protosses.
Fair point. I don't quite agree, but I get your point. I do think that the current metagame seems to favour protoss though, but such things change.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up.
There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever.
Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
Yeah Kespa's terran problems started already in late BW, and with Flash and Fantasy both adapting poorly to SC2, there's not many terrans left for them. To top it off, almost all non-kespa terran talent simply doesn't participate in GSL. This low terran count in GSL is probably a trend we'll see continue in the future simply because the old Code S players left for EU and NA.
Somehow I ended up re-iterating your post, but I just want to say I agree. :p
There are some potential GSL stars for the future though, like TY. But right now they're not quite there.
You know what happened to those non-Kespa terrans that are in WCS NA and EU that all the protoss claim are the TvP saviors(Jjakji, Polt, Bomber, Taeja)? They were outperformed by non-Kespa protosses that also play in WCS NA/EU (MC, San, Stardust) at IEM and ASUS. You could make the arguement that if we had all the Koreans back in GSL, we would have MORE protosses.
Certainly the fact that a lot of the good terrans are competing elsewhere is a factor in the fact that we have low terran representation in GSL, I don't see how you could argue otherwise. The fact that protoss is advantaged vs terran is another factor, obviously. We're not saying (at least I'm not saying) that it would be 11-11-10 perfect world.
I'd like you to make the argument you pretend you can make, cause that makes no sense to me.
On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up.
There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever.
Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
Yeah Kespa's terran problems started already in late BW, and with Flash and Fantasy both adapting poorly to SC2, there's not many terrans left for them. To top it off, almost all non-kespa terran talent simply doesn't participate in GSL. This low terran count in GSL is probably a trend we'll see continue in the future simply because the old Code S players left for EU and NA.
Somehow I ended up re-iterating your post, but I just want to say I agree. :p
There are some potential GSL stars for the future though, like TY. But right now they're not quite there.
You know what happened to those non-Kespa terrans that are in WCS NA and EU that all the protoss claim are the TvP saviors(Jjakji, Polt, Bomber, Taeja)? They were outperformed by non-Kespa protosses that also play in WCS NA/EU (MC, San, Stardust) at IEM and ASUS. You could make the arguement that if we had all the Koreans back in GSL, we would have MORE protosses.
Certainly the fact that a lot of the good terrans are competing elsewhere is a factor in the fact that we have low terran representation in GSL, I don't see how you could argue otherwise. The fact that protoss is advantaged vs terran is another factor, obviously. We're not saying (at least I'm not saying) that it would be 11-11-10 perfect world.
I'd like you to make the argument you pretend you can make, cause that makes no sense to me.
I am saying that there are just as many good Protoss playing outside of GSL. When Code A was played and hardly any Terrans got in, a lot of the Protoss in forums suggested that if we had Polt, taeja, Bomber, MMA, Jjakji, they would be guaranteed to made code S. Sure Jjakji already had a spot. But as can see from ASUS and IEM, Polt, taeja, Bomber aren't really guarantees. MMA didn't play but I don't think he is guaranteed. And if San, MC , stardust were in GSL, could they have taken a spot from supernova, BByong?
All I am saying if the Protoss are overestimating the effect of Koreans moving abroad in terms of representation. The Terrans abroad might be bigger names because of their previous titles, but in the current meta and form, the Protoss playing abroad can definitely match up.
So while I am not saying we would have had just 3 Terrans if all Koreans only played GSL, but 4-5 is probably a realistic projection.
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On February 08 2014 04:29 BulletCL wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong please,
is GSL October 2011 Ro16 the worst in terms of massive representation from a single race in StarCraft II tournaments in Korea? (10 terrans)
Also, what about BW? I was checking Liquipedia and the worst cases were: - Freechol OSL 2000 (10 zergs) - Daum OSL 2007 (10 terrans) - Arena MSL 2008 (10 terrans)
Am I right or did I miss something?
(I just wanna keep record of this in case of a "10+ Protoss Ro16")
Dunno about BW but regarding GSL october 2011, this is correct afaik. Even worse, there were 6 terrans in RO8 and only T from RO4 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S#Racial_Distribution) At the very least it's the only GSL where a race is represented by only one player in the RO16 (Killer representing protoss that is). The thing is these GOM TvT GSL seasons lasted for very long, wasn't like a single season but more like 4 or 5. At that time people considered that having more terrans was normal because they were simply better... Like wtf...
Hopefully balance has evolved and is dealt with faster these days so I don't think the longevity of the terran supremacy in SC2 has a chance to be ever beaten by any race imho. Neither do I want this to happen actually.
To be honnest they were a lot of very good teran at the time ! Not all were legit I guess but still : Mvp, Bomber, Ganzi, Supernova, Ryung, Cliiiiide, MMA in RO16 that was a sick line up.
There also is a lot of very good protosses now, no hate what so ever.
Truth is that 10 terran players who were in Code S at some time now play in WCS AM and WCS EU. Moreover all terrans who won GSL now play there + BW teams and last OSLs have lack of terrans Flash, FanTaSy were the ones who get finals but nobody else could make finals. So it is obvious that such thing was going to happen. Just analyse the scene before balance whining this is my advice.
Yeah Kespa's terran problems started already in late BW, and with Flash and Fantasy both adapting poorly to SC2, there's not many terrans left for them. To top it off, almost all non-kespa terran talent simply doesn't participate in GSL. This low terran count in GSL is probably a trend we'll see continue in the future simply because the old Code S players left for EU and NA.
Somehow I ended up re-iterating your post, but I just want to say I agree. :p
There are some potential GSL stars for the future though, like TY. But right now they're not quite there.
You know what happened to those non-Kespa terrans that are in WCS NA and EU that all the protoss claim are the TvP saviors(Jjakji, Polt, Bomber, Taeja)? They were outperformed by non-Kespa protosses that also play in WCS NA/EU (MC, San, Stardust) at IEM and ASUS. You could make the arguement that if we had all the Koreans back in GSL, we would have MORE protosses.
Certainly the fact that a lot of the good terrans are competing elsewhere is a factor in the fact that we have low terran representation in GSL, I don't see how you could argue otherwise. The fact that protoss is advantaged vs terran is another factor, obviously. We're not saying (at least I'm not saying) that it would be 11-11-10 perfect world.
I'd like you to make the argument you pretend you can make, cause that makes no sense to me.
But as can see from ASUS and IEM, Polt, taeja, Bomber aren't really guarantees. MMA didn't play but I don't think he is guaranteed. And if San, MC , stardust were in GSL, could they have taken a spot from supernova, BByong?
"as can see from Asus and IEM"? Polt won against herO who is Ro16, then lost a TvT. Taeja underperformed against all races so he was just having a bad day. Bomber barely played PvT and won the one he did. You're not doing a very good job of convincing me^^ I think ~7 terrans would be expected (still not enough obv).
Where are the VODs? Why does GOM take so long to put them up. They could learn a thing from Proleague. I paid $5.00 for Proleague and get instant VODs. I paid $80 for GOMTV and the VODs take forever...
On February 13 2014 04:39 SoFrOsTy wrote: Where are the VODs? Why does GOM take so long to put them up. They could learn a thing from Proleague. I paid $5.00 for Proleague and get instant VODs. I paid $80 for GOMTV and the VODs take forever...
They used to be very quick with VODs when they had their own VOD system, but now they use twitch.
When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
On February 13 2014 05:06 ArTiFaKs wrote: When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
You do realise that Flash and TY are very, very highly regarded? Albeit they didn't make it to Code S - it really wouldn't have surprised anybody if they had, and even gone onto win the entire tournament - equally the same for Maru.
The other top terrans today would probs be Taeja, Bomber, Polt and Innovation. Jjakji isn't as stronk
On February 13 2014 05:06 ArTiFaKs wrote: When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
You do realise that Flash and TY are very, very highly regarded? Albeit they didn't make it to Code S - it really wouldn't have surprised anybody if they had, and even gone onto win the entire tournament - equally the same for Maru.
The other top terrans today would probs be Taeja, Bomber, Polt and Innovation. Jjakji isn't as stronk
There are enough top-Terrans, just not enough place for everyone. At least this season. It's not Protoss's fail or Zerg's fail or Terran's fail. It's just conjucture, not problem of balance or other stuff. I won't be surprised if in the end of season it will be perfect distribution in World Finals. 6/5/5. Imagine what could happen with total regionlock now though
Glad for soO and sOs <3 Ro16 is going to be fierce.
On February 13 2014 05:06 ArTiFaKs wrote: When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
You do realise that Flash and TY are very, very highly regarded? Albeit they didn't make it to Code S - it really wouldn't have surprised anybody if they had, and even gone onto win the entire tournament - equally the same for Maru.
The other top terrans today would probs be Taeja, Bomber, Polt and Innovation. Jjakji isn't as stronk
actually, Flash winning a GSL would surprise quite a few people :p
On February 13 2014 05:06 ArTiFaKs wrote: When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
You do realise that Flash and TY are very, very highly regarded? Albeit they didn't make it to Code S - it really wouldn't have surprised anybody if they had, and even gone onto win the entire tournament - equally the same for Maru.
The other top terrans today would probs be Taeja, Bomber, Polt and Innovation. Jjakji isn't as stronk
On February 13 2014 05:06 ArTiFaKs wrote: When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
You do realise that Flash and TY are very, very highly regarded? Albeit they didn't make it to Code S - it really wouldn't have surprised anybody if they had, and even gone onto win the entire tournament - equally the same for Maru.
The other top terrans today would probs be Taeja, Bomber, Polt and Innovation. Jjakji isn't as stronk
While I say it is true that jjakji is a strong player and is definitely playing well, it is pretty well known that players that participate in a lot of foreigner tournaments do show inflation in their rating. jjakji is playing in a ton of tournaments in europe so his score is rising very quickly. I think he still would have done ok in Code S this season but he wouldn't have been a favorite to win it all imo. His IEM qualifier run was pretty good though
On February 13 2014 05:06 ArTiFaKs wrote: When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
Explanation after the fact. The terrans in Korea are not top players because they got raped so hard by protoss. I would rate TY a lot higher than the players you mentioned but he was 0-x repeatedly by mid-level/code B protosses.
On February 13 2014 05:06 ArTiFaKs wrote: When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
That's my point, even though a lot of the top terrans are not playing in KR, those terrans are still getting outperformed by supposedly 'mid tier' protosses that play in EU. So even if those top terrans were playing in KR, it is no sure thing they would have made Code S. Would there be more terrans representation, sure. Will the effect be as big as most protosses on TL thinks, judging by IEM and ASUS, I don't think so.
It is similar to the GOMTvT days. You could say Puzzle, Killer, MC, Genius were top protoss. But you could probably name 15-20 terrans that are on par with them. There are simply many more top protosses compare to terrans currently.
We will see once the new changes come through, the top protosses will still remain on top but some will fall off. Just like how it was for terrans and zergs previously.
On February 13 2014 05:06 ArTiFaKs wrote: When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
Explanation after the fact. The terrans in Korea are not top players because they got raped so hard by protoss. I would rate TY a lot higher than the players you mentioned but he was 0-x repeatedly by mid-level/code B protosses.
Saying that YongHwa is Code B Protoss is somewhat ridiculous though. Now i even hope that he will 4-0d group with Life and Dear, lols.
On February 13 2014 04:39 SoFrOsTy wrote: Where are the VODs? Why does GOM take so long to put them up. They could learn a thing from Proleague. I paid $5.00 for Proleague and get instant VODs. I paid $80 for GOMTV and the VODs take forever...
They used to be very quick with VODs when they had their own VOD system, but now they use twitch.
Twitch is fine for VODs, mainly because you can look at "past broadcasts" and stream the whole 3-4 hour set all at once, it's wonderful.
Only downside is the permanently-visible progress bar at the bottom. DAMN YOUUU
On February 13 2014 05:06 ArTiFaKs wrote: When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
Explanation after the fact. The terrans in Korea are not top players because they got raped so hard by protoss. I would rate TY a lot higher than the players you mentioned but he was 0-x repeatedly by mid-level/code B protosses.
Saying that YongHwa is Code B Protoss is somewhat ridiculous though. Now i even hope that he will 4-0d group with Life and Dear, lols.
I love Yonghwa. But right now by performance, he is probably mid-tier(Code B is a bit harsh). There are simply too many top tier protosses now. Unless your top tier protoss group includes 15-20 players, it would be hard to include Yonghwa.
On February 13 2014 05:06 ArTiFaKs wrote: When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
Explanation after the fact. The terrans in Korea are not top players because they got raped so hard by protoss. I would rate TY a lot higher than the players you mentioned but he was 0-x repeatedly by mid-level/code B protosses.
Saying that YongHwa is Code B Protoss is somewhat ridiculous though. Now i even hope that he will 4-0d group with Life and Dear, lols.
By code B I meant Alicia and some other protoss I forget, not YH.
Where are the freaking vods?! It has been nearly a day and not one video of any games are up. I have never had to wait this long and always watch the gsl the next day after I wake up, and I went about my day and am not home and still nothing...
To all the people posting about "no vods" - I watched the twitch vod yesterday - the whole group C 3 hour vod. I got to it through a user made spoiler free site I found through the GOM forums: http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=303127&cid=-1&kind=1
It was slow in loading but came through eventually (I'm in Canada btw).
Didn't want to post the actual link in case its against TL rules or something.
On February 14 2014 01:58 caznitch wrote: To all the people posting about "no vods" - I watched the twitch vod yesterday - the whole group C 3 hour vod. I got to it through a user made spoiler free site I found through the GOM forums: http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=303127&cid=-1&kind=1
It was slow in loading but came through eventually (I'm in Canada btw).
Didn't want to post the actual link in case its against TL rules or something.
Also - sOs is the man.
Thank you. GOM seems to be fucking retarded when it comes to getting their VODs ready. I used to be able to watch the VODs hours later on their website, now I have to wait several days. I hate this whole TWITCH partnership. It is making everything extremely difficult compared to their old way of doing things. I much more enjoyed the personalized experience prior to this new partnership.
On February 13 2014 05:06 ArTiFaKs wrote: When you think of the best Terran's in the world right now, there are almost none playing in Korea besides Maru. Innovation could be considered but I think we know he's not the best terran in the world right now. They are all playing outside of Korea. Yes there are other races abroad, but nowhere near the % of top, top level players from Protoss or Zerg playing abroad. MC, Stardust aren't the best Protoss in the world, Zerg nowhere close to the top level players abroad. So in terms of the % of the best of the best, Terran has by far the most abroad at the moment when considering the best of their race. Maru (Flash? maybe) is the only one really still in Korea right now. Basically all the Terran's besides Maru have been underperforming for a while now. In no way is that the whole story, but it is definitely contributing to the extremely low % of Terrans in ProLeague and Code S.
Explanation after the fact. The terrans in Korea are not top players because they got raped so hard by protoss. I would rate TY a lot higher than the players you mentioned but he was 0-x repeatedly by mid-level/code B protosses.
Saying that YongHwa is Code B Protoss is somewhat ridiculous though. Now i even hope that he will 4-0d group with Life and Dear, lols.
I love Yonghwa. But right now by performance, he is probably mid-tier(Code B is a bit harsh). There are simply too many top tier protosses now. Unless your top tier protoss group includes 15-20 players, it would be hard to include Yonghwa.
I guess you can easily get 10-15 players who you can call as top-tier nowdays. For each race. Competition is huge. Probably it's good probably bad, i dunno.
On February 14 2014 01:58 caznitch wrote: To all the people posting about "no vods" - I watched the twitch vod yesterday - the whole group C 3 hour vod. I got to it through a user made spoiler free site I found through the GOM forums: http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=303127&cid=-1&kind=1
It was slow in loading but came through eventually (I'm in Canada btw).
Didn't want to post the actual link in case its against TL rules or something.
Also - sOs is the man.
Thank you. GOM seems to be fucking retarded when it comes to getting their VODs ready. I used to be able to watch the VODs hours later on their website, now I have to wait several days. I hate this whole TWITCH partnership. It is making everything extremely difficult compared to their old way of doing things. I much more enjoyed the personalized experience prior to this new partnership.
bahhumbug. nbd i guess.
I think they tried to split the video into multiple parts. That's why it takes so long. They could have made the whole video available first like Proleauge does. Instead they choose the hide the original video.
On February 14 2014 02:03 zachMEISTER wrote: I used to be able to watch the VODs hours later on their website, now I have to wait several days. I hate this whole TWITCH partnership. It is making everything extremely difficult compared to their old way of doing things. I much more enjoyed the personalized experience prior to this new partnership. .
How are you waiting days for VODs? They're up on Twitch almost immediately. Just go to "past broadcasts" and find the whole event there as a 4 hour long video. So easy.
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