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I get focusing on your most scummy target... So whatever. I guess I'll just wait until after the lynch and see what everyone says then when Jonny is out of the picture. | ||
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On February 09 2014 03:57 suki wrote: First off, I don't see it as a claim. What are you going to do if Jay comes back later and says 'It wasn't a claim, it was a figure of speech and I didn't realize that it was a soft blue claim when I posted it'? Also like I said, I'm certain that Jay is scum, and I'm willing to give Jonny a second chance. Blue claims aren't a free get out of jail ticket. Everyone just brushes over all my posts about Jay's contradictions with a magic 'oh he kinda blue claimed' sweeper when the evidence is right there laid out in front of you. Just like you guys don't see Jay as completely scummy as I do, I don't see Jonny as completely scummy the way you do. What if Jonny claimed blue right now? Would you be like omg we can't lynch him today? If your answer is you'd still lynch him then you see where I'm coming from. This is why I asked already. The fact that he ignored it makes me think what I was thinking already. Don't get me wrong here Suki. I'm lynching Jonny because I think he's the better lynch then Jay. NOT because jay claimed blue. I'm not giving jonny a second chance because he has already had one and he blue it (hueuhehue). On the other hand, I don't like your initial post about Jonny V Jay for a few reasons: On February 09 2014 00:11 suki wrote: I just can't get over my read on Jay. He's scum to me through and through. Even before he started blowing up at me his attitude just didn't make sense and didn't fit with his town play. People give him the pass for 'making changes' but they never explain why these changes make it more likely that he's town. If it's between Jonny and Jay, then I'll push Jay. Jonny's case on Koshi based on the early gameis so bad. His continued use of the previous game to provide examples is stupid. However if I give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that he was working and he's short on time, then it's easier to accept that his cases are bad. At least he's pushing cases, giving reads freely, being upfront. Contrast it with Jay's behavior. Yes, I am tunneling Jay. I'm just so damn sure of him. I don't buy his blue 'claim' at all (true-blue townie? what kind of stupid claim is that). How is it that Jay's been here so much more than Jonny and yet he's the one that has less scum-hunting activity? Remember how we were like when Koshi came into this game and claimed he was going to be super active, that if he didn't hold up to it then he's an easy lynch? Jay came into this game with an over the top IM GONNA HUNT SCUM attitude and he HAS NOT DELIVERED. Fuck. I am willing to give Jonny a second chance. His cases that he made are bad but that's no reason to fault him, at least he made cases, posted opinions and pushed the person he thought was scummy. What is Jay doing? Jonny came in and had no problems making a shitty case on Koshi just now yet I ask Jay why he thinks Koshi is scum and he dodges hard and later says 'Koshi is null'. Jay can't even stick to his own guns. Look at the votes in the thread. EVERYONE is on Jonny. Everyone. But there's so much hesitation with Jay. Face it, Jonny's the easy (mis)lynch target and not because he's been playing scummy, but because he has a few tweaks to his game that are suspicious (such as not flaming people for excuses, not commenting on Jay), because he's been away and because his cases are horrible. BUT he is OBJECTIVELY (yes Oats, Objectively) doing more pro-town things than Jay. Arrghghghghgh. 1. Because you don't consider the blue claim hard. I like that you have a followup and have actually thought about it though, but that should have been important in this post. 2. Because you're calling Jonny more townie for stuff that you called Jay scummy for earlier. 3. I don't agree at all with the fact that Jonny is "pushing cases" and "sharing reads freely". Why do you think jonny is doing this better than jay? I think they are both doing a pretty terrible job of both. 4. Jonny and jay have had multiple chances to redeem themselves. Jonny has failed MUCH harder than jay has. MUCH MUCH MUCH harder. There's just so much stuff in here that I just straight up disagree with. On February 09 2014 04:10 Coagulation wrote: ##vote JonnyLaw Why? You can't just say nothing. On February 09 2014 04:13 suki wrote: It's so frustrating. Even Balla said my meta case was good but won't address my points specifically. I get focusing on your most scummy target... So whatever. I guess I'll just wait until after the lynch and see what everyone says then when Jonny is out of the picture. I thought your meta case was good, but I also have a meta case on Jonny that you thought was good as well, so you're really going to fault me for that? I think Jonny is scummier than jay. Simple as that. Go back to my huge post to see exactly what my logic is. | ||
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1. Because you don't consider the blue claim hard. I like that you have a followup and have actually thought about it though, but that should have been important in this post. 2. Because you're calling Jonny more townie for stuff that you called Jay scummy for earlier. 3. I don't agree at all with the fact that Jonny is "pushing cases" and "sharing reads freely". Why do you think jonny is doing this better than jay? I think they are both doing a pretty terrible job of both. 4. Jonny and jay have had multiple chances to redeem themselves. Jonny has failed MUCH harder than jay has. MUCH MUCH MUCH harder. 1. because I didn't consider it a blue claim. 2. Jonny at least has his absence as a reason for bad cases. Yes absence is a horrible reason and a scum point to boot, but Jay has been here this entire time and has contributed less with just as bad cases. 3. Both of them are doing a terrible job. It is my opinion that Jonny has spent more time pushing cases and sharing reads than Jay has. Jay has not been pushing cases on his scum picks and does not share reads freely. 4. Both of them have failed hard. You were pressuring Jonny and so maybe that's why he failed much harder to you. I was pressuring Jay and it is my opinion that Jay has failed much much harder. | ||
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Remember how we were like when Koshi came into this game and claimed he was going to be super active, that if he didn't hold up to it then he's an easy lynch? Jay came into this game with an over the top IM GONNA HUNT SCUM attitude and he HAS NOT DELIVERED. Explain to me the townie mindset for Jay's non-deliverance of his super scum hunting attitude at the beginning of the game. | ||
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On February 09 2014 04:28 suki wrote: Explain to me the townie mindset for Jay's non-deliverance of his super scum hunting attitude at the beginning of the game. I don't disagree. But I also see ANY versions of jaybrundage becoming super demotivated in this game from starting at like the very beginning of day1 being called scum and there being relentless aggression. So I believe it to be a null point. Suki can you share your unbiased thoughts on Jonnylaw WITHOUT comparison to Jaybrundage? | ||
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The longer this takes the more I think he will disappoint us. I don't know. Jonny Posting cute babyseals is the way to go. No anger, muchos cuteness and you will feel relieved. We all hate to play scum bro. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Jonny starts the thread with a more light-hearted attitude than usual, maybe in line with Balla and my joking. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:06 JonnyLaw wrote: Bring the hate. It will only make me stronger. On February 07 2014 07:21 JonnyLaw wrote: Sigh...Jayb man. You called balla super townie for entering the thread with a vote last game. Are you sheeping your "town playstyles" again? On February 07 2014 07:33 JonnyLaw wrote: I laughed. For real though, Koshi if you're town are you going to try and make real cases and hunt scum this game? Because last game you made shit cases and said I'm town. If you make shit cases and say I'm town again there's only one logical conclusion... I feel like we're in a strong position this game. We all got decent reads on everyone playing except aqua. Day1 is such a shit hole. Need small talk to get the game moving but I hate chitter chatter. These are all joke-y light hearted posts. On February 07 2014 08:08 JonnyLaw wrote: I hate this fucking post by the way. What is this supposed to accomplish? Standard JL aggression. On February 07 2014 08:17 JonnyLaw wrote: I could call you scum. Pre-Game How do you assume Balla's alignment? Here are more excuses from Koshi. What happened to a kid with a lollipop? JL hating on excuses. Koshi also brings up how he hates the 'kid with a lollipop' point multiple times. Yes it is a misinterpretation. No, I don't think he should be hanged for such a silly mistake. On February 07 2014 08:54 JonnyLaw wrote: That's the most important part of your post. Anyone who calls jay scum must be scum. Easy defense. Jay looks scummy. So does Koshi. Honestly you've done nothing to show otherwise either. Decent analysis. Sharing of reads. After this he goes to dinner with his girlfriend. Right now Balla has posted this against Jonny: He also completely dismissed my first post without even giving it a a real thought, similar to what jaybrundage did, and has been spewing irrelevant things like commentary about post-game which is completely off-topic unless he wants to make a point about this game with it. Also the aqua stuff is pretty irrelevant, and actually anti-town. What's the point of talking about Aqua's meta if he hasn't even posted anything yet? Sure I guess it's interesting to see if anybody has played with him, but you can 1. do that research yourself. 2. wait to see if anybody brings any meta arguments and information to the table themselves. So at this point in the game, Jonny's being called out for: 1. Dismissing Balla's opening post. Jonny also hated on Koshi's opening post last game and wanted to stop discussing it asap. 2. Commentary about the previous game, which is off-topic. 3. asking about Aqua's meta. Balla calls it anti-town but I'd rate it more neutral. Koshi also at this point called Jonny out for leaving right when JayB started getting attention. - - - - actually before Jonny's next post Balla posts a case on Jonny and says he's weary of Jonny: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 13:39 Balla24 wrote: Alright, moving on. What do you guys think about JonnyLaw? I'm very weary on him. The post he quotes here is completely irrelevant to my probability mafia post. This was literally the first time I was not being trolly in this game. I know the things I was referring to were trolly and joky, but I wanted to start the game at that point, and they were interesting enough initial thoughts to question their motives behind it. Why does he think i'm forcing anything and distracting anything. That was literally the start of the first discussion of the game yet he doesn't even really read it. He even moves into quoting one of my more trolly posts afterwards ("I declare myself king") and calls it funny, even though it was way more distracting than anything else I did. Moving on: There were plenty moments where jonny talks about something irrelevant and not helpful to the game with the facade that it is "getting the game started" and "not talking about policy". This post here could have literally happened in post-game and pre-game, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. There is absolutely NO relevance to jay's alignment in this game. In fact, all it does is help jay if he's scum. There's more moments like this, specifically the Aqua stuff. Here he says that he finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum (or at least that's what I gather from him asking "does that make him scum?" after literally saying "it's scummy sure", which is really weird in itself). This is in direct contrast to what I know of town jonny. The guy LOVES to pick at this stuff. + Show Spoiler [Quotes from jonny town games] + On January 20 2014 11:40 JonnyLaw wrote: Ve's full of shit. He was this active last game. Making excuses for his posting now. ##vote visceral eyes On January 06 2014 15:21 JonnyLaw wrote: You're not saying anything with authority. You're hesitant and making excuses throughout that post. What are your opinions so far? I don't care how other people feel about you or if it's your first game. That doesn't matter. On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote: I'll be on tomorrow at a more reasonable time. At this point we have three players who've posted nothing. Fine, we have 30+ hours till day ends. I hate this post and generally everything in Asuna's filter. Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line. I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point. Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided. + Show Spoiler [PYP: LoL, where Jonny is Mafia] + On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote: Rean - Votes yorick, claims vt and roleplays liftlift. Could be scum lurking. Austin talks about champ abilities and not wanting town to role claim. I'm not certain role claiming is the best policy either. Maybe I'm missing something but these two are lurking harder than gtrs. Mocsta is making a lot of excuses. Busy, in mylo etc... I generally agree with Roffles and Mocsta about gtrs. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2013 15:08 Roffles wrote: I think gtrsrs just doesn't give a fuck anymore because he didn't get his champ of choice and is stuck as a vanilla townie. To me it all makes sense cause I know he probably just picked a champ he likes playing in the actual game (Khazix) and seemed cool in terms of skills here (he announced he was doing this too), but wasn't able to grab him and now just starts screwing around cause he's got nothing better to do. MZ wants gtrs lynched and then spends the rest of his posts defending himself. If this is a popular sentiment and he was a proponent of it early why is he getting so much flak? Are mocsta and MZ arguing for some personal reasons? Why did you want me to read these filters. The first two say nothing and the second two are just arguing. Rayn thinks MZ's contradicting himself but the first couple days I thought Rayn posted okay for the most part. I'm more confused about them at this point than anything. tldr Rean and Austin are useless right now because they're doing nothing. Mocsta's making excuses without them being asked. Could be scummy. MZ's spending all his time on defense. This is the opposite of how soniv approached aggression directed his way. That's why I liked soniv for town earlier. Then this. This is just blatantly not reading the thread. I was asked by jaybrundage to make a "town case" on koshi, so I did so. I even quoted what I was responding to. Yet he tells me I'M not reading the thread. This ticks me off ^_^. Balla your points are as follows: 1. Jonny is taking offense to your joke posts, although he calls your first serious post a joke and he also laughs at your later crowning of yourself as king. You don't really explain how this is scummy but I assume it's more like a point that he's inconsistent and not reading properly. 2. Jonny is not contributing anything pro-town and is just wasting time. 3. He finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum. Whereas, we know Jonny loves to pick on excuse-making. This is one of Balla's points that I really liked. 4. He's blatantly not reading the thread. This doesn't seem like a scummy point, just like something frustrating. - - - - Jonny comes back and he's drunk. He responds to the above case from Balla at Aqua's request (mistakingly thinking I requested it hence why he's talking to suki). On February 07 2014 16:15 JonnyLaw wrote: Why do you even want me to look at that Suki? Balla says I think his king post was funny. Am I supposed to take that seriously? I refuse to do so. I talk to Jay about the last game. Uhhh....I felt bad for tunneling a townie so hard? I want jay to play the game and you guys start out right where I fucking left off. If he's scum (which I get to in my next post) we can lynch him. And Balla's mad that I don't think he's paying attention and I refuse to call him "king." Yeah...what is there to say about that "case" on me. Finishing the jay post. be back with you in a second. He ignores the points where Balla says Jonny was wasting time talking about fluff. He explains he felt bad in the previous game for tunneling Jay so hard. Basically he dismisses Balla's case which I think is reasonable. On February 07 2014 16:33 JonnyLaw wrote: LOL. Hi aqua. Sorry assumed the chain kept going from Suki. I'm getting very weary from the long night out. The second post is the scummiest thing Jay's said all day. Actually it's scummy as hell rereading it. Under what town mindset are you ready to lynch one person and vig another two hours into the game? I wanna go look at balla before I crash. He posts saying Jay is scummy. Asks a very potent question (bolded) which I actually really like. On February 07 2014 17:39 JonnyLaw wrote: hi Koshi. I'll give you balla case soon hopefully. I was rereading it and my dog just shit diarrhea all over my carpet in my room. Pics if you want. I hate this game. So drink and tired and now dog shit everywhere. Anyway, i'll be with you soon. I have a few hours before I need to work. He promises a case on Balla but due to IRL doesn't deliver and leaves everyone hanging. - - - - Aqua posts a case on Jonny: On February 07 2014 23:36 Aquanim wrote: Jonny tops the list at the moment. I feel like this response by Jonny: misinterpreted some of Balla's points and completely ignored the strongest one. I also don't think Jonny's putting a significant amount of effort into drawing information out of the thread. I can't see any questions he's asked anyone, or any serious pressure. may as well do this now instead of waiting till tomorrow ##Vote: JonnyLaw I really want to see this case on Balla he claims to have. idk what to make of jayB now, gonna need to see more from him to make any solid read. Similar for sidesprang. The important point here is that he brings up the fact that Jonny hasn't asked any questions or put any serious pressure on anyone. Aqua says Jonny didn't answer Balla's case (the two sections previous to this one), I think Balla's case wasn't really pointing out why Jonny was scummy and Jonny's 'defense' makes decent sense. I mean, what is someone supposed to do when you accuse him of fluff? defend himself? He went and posted a case and promised another one. On February 08 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote: Hello. Had major emergency at work today so I have only done a quick read of the thread so far. So far I'd call JonnyLaw the scummiest of the bunch. Just compare his posting to the previous game and his newbies. One liners, off topic, no hostility towards who he thinks is scum. Proper read commencing now, if there's anything you want me to comment on or pay extra attention to let me know. On February 08 2014 05:19 LoneMeow wrote: Okay, so: JonnyLaw Not playing to his usual aggressive, abrasive town meta (and he was called very town for it in the previous game, so there's no reason to change). Posting a lot of one liners and not volunteering his opinion. Verdict: scummy LoneMeow calls Jonny the scummiest of the bunch. The logic is kinda flawed. He was somewhat hostile in the beginning and even in his other games he posts mostly one liners. He hasn't volunteered his opinion on anyone really. This point is true. However, I feel like it's not because Jonny was here in thread not volunteering his opinion but that Jonny was away from the thread and that's why it didn't happen. - - - - Koshi once again points out Jonny leaving right when Jay was put under the spotlight: On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote: The way you catched me previous game. I disappeared when it was lynch and wasn't discussing anything. The same happened with Jonny early game. Imagine if Jonny is town and jayB is scum, do you think Jonny would suddenly disappear at the same time hell breaks lose and not offer his opinion? Then when I call him out on him he says that he is there and trying to make sense of the clusterfuck. Which is extremely scummy, and then the next thing he posts is a misinterpretation about something that hapenned PRE-GAME. (the lollypop business). That's so strange coming from a guy who is pretty straightforward and dares to gives his opinion. When they are both scum it could have been because Jonny was seeing the clusterfuck that JayB was pulling himself into and just didn't know what to do. But I can see scum Jonny seeing townies fight and maybe be startled a bit on what to say, which side to pick. But town Jonny not knowing what to say when scum jayB is parading in the thread. Mehhhh. Again, if Jonny really was away, it's just inconvenient timing. If Jonny was here then yes it's suspicious. However Jonny did leave the thread at that point and say he was going out so it's just whether or not you believe him. - - - - Balla puts another case forward on Jonny: On February 08 2014 14:37 Balla24 wrote: ... Moving on, Jonnylaw. I feel bad here because of his drunk posting last night and how I said I wanted to ignore it while waiting for Jonny to come back and tell me if they were serious or not. But it's been a while now... his activity level is making me very wary(did I use the right word?) on top of all the other stuff I've already posted about. So actually, mid-writing this I decide I don't really have anything more to say about Jonny. I'd appreciate if he would try again to refute the points I brought up against him last night, because all drunk jonny did was mis-interpret what I was saying and ignore other stuff then call me scum for my filter which has still not been followed up on. Actually he also did this while he was sober too: It's actually giving me flashbacks to Normal Mini Mafia 1 vibes where I was scum and I was called scum early by multiple people because of my activity, and unfortunately I wasn't able to re-establish myself in the thread like I would have liked. I'm not sure if that's what's happening here obviously until Jonny gives me some sense that this is not what's happening. Another thing that makes me feel worse about him is that when we are both town, we tend to work very well together, regardless of how clashy our personalities are. We're not working well together. I don't know who he thinks is scum, all I know is he read my filter and thought it smelled bad. Maybe that will change. Finally.... ##vote Jonnylaw Basically, activity level sucks. Not really anything else to say. Comparing Jonny's inactivity to when Balla was scum and he wasn't able to re-establish himself in the thread. (Interesting point, why are you using this point for Jonny and not for Jay? Especially since Jay at the start said he was totes going to scum hunt hard) . Meta of how Jonny and Balla aren't working together even though they usually do despite their personalities clashing. - - - - - At this point Jonny comes back: On February 08 2014 17:27 JonnyLaw wrote: Hi guys. We had a new implementation explode as I was supposed to leave. Eight hours later I'm coming to make a case. Fielding questions. Otherwise reading filters. Things exploded at work. He's back. On February 08 2014 17:46 JonnyLaw wrote: koshi is our scum #1 in this game. Sheeping Balla off the start. I pointed out that Jay did this last game and it bought Jay a lot of town points in balla's mind. Excuses. Excuses. Fucking Excuses. Why can no one call him scum and where is the posting like a madman? I hate this entire series of posts. Anyone who's not joking around is scum? Get the fuck outta here. Uhh where's the scum hunting? And another post threatening the power of town koshi. Unleash it already. This reminds Koshi of his "off feelings' about town jayb last game? I don't understand. Seriously this is getting worse and worse for me. I'll do the rest tomorrow. ##vote Koshi I'm around for a few minutes to chat. Bad case on Koshi which is kinda just a reiteration of his original case. He doesn't add anything new and doesn't analyze Koshi's recent activity. On February 08 2014 17:49 JonnyLaw wrote: Uhh I called you scum? that's about it. No but I'm still not convinced. I don't have any clear town votes yet. koshi, slam and lm for scum. koshi for content and lm slam for lurking. rest neutral. i'm bad at finding town. i can find scum though. On February 08 2014 17:52 Aquanim wrote: @Jonny: Can you explain to me why you think LoneMeow is scum over jayB and sidesprang? On February 08 2014 17:57 JonnyLaw wrote: LM's lurking. Nothing else. Fuck, Jayb's the same reason I almost got lynched in nmmi. I tunnel a townie to death. Balla was scum and I thought Jay was last game. I don't want people to quit the game. I'm weak I guess. He straight up says that he thinks LM is scum for lurking. He doesn't pretty it up or make excuses. Jonny again seems hesitant to go after Jay because he tunneled Jay in the previous game. On February 08 2014 18:02 JonnyLaw wrote: I read the thread then reread the filters that stook out to me. It was suki, jayb and koshi. He admits he hasn't read the thread before stating his reads. He's very open about this. I honestly see this as a point in his favour. He has nothing to hide as town. On February 08 2014 18:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Anyway, I'm going to get a beer and drink it. Then I'm going to sleep and I'll be around well before lynch time tomorrow. He leaves the thread after answering a number of Aqua's questions. Whether these questions were answered satisfactorily or not is a different question, but his attitude was open and frank. On February 08 2014 18:14 JonnyLaw wrote: no. i don't think jay's scum at this point. his gameplay changes from this game to the last one make sense to me. his read of balla's starting post makes sense to me. calling out scum that early in the game makes sense to me as town. he changed the things that i said make him scum. koshi's play doesn't make sense to me. He says he doesn't think Jay is scum and provides reasons. He says Koshi's play doesn't make sense. I think he's forgotten that he had promised a write up on Balla. The scum explanation is he's trying to ignore it. The town explanation is he was drunk and doesn't remember. - - - - Aqua posts a case on Jonny On February 08 2014 21:54 Aquanim wrote: Why JonnyLaw is scum, and the best lynch today 1) He is not interested in talking with other people to find their alignments. Jonny did ask a few questions but they seemed pretty pointless to me: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:21 JonnyLaw wrote: Sigh...Jayb man. You called balla super townie for entering the thread with a vote last game. Are you sheeping your "town playstyles" again? On February 07 2014 07:25 JonnyLaw wrote: I appreciate the effort you put into that post man. It's funny but you're trying to force it into being more distracting than Koshi's post last game. What the fuck? On February 07 2014 07:44 JonnyLaw wrote: I was talking about tunneling jayb. Apparently that's off topic. How about aqua. Have you played with him before? How do you feel about random votes being tossed around? et cetera. Importantly I don't think Jonny has asked anybody for their opinions/cases/whatever on anybody else, or to clarify a point he didn't understand. He has asked pointless questions and mostly made pointless observations. To take an example of something which would not be a pointless question, look at his town posts from the original game: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 11:54 JonnyLaw wrote: Koshi's euro cakeman he's asleep i'd guess. What did you specifically dislike about Jayb's post Suki? I see reason to dislike it but I'm interested in your opinion. On February 04 2014 12:14 JonnyLaw wrote: Jayb I do have one question. Why did you pick SS out of everyone who hasn't done much yet? Looking at the list there are a number of other candidates. Why him in particular? On February 05 2014 10:55 JonnyLaw wrote: Jay, what did you think of Suki's case on oats? I understand you like that someone finally put hard content in the game but what's your take on her views? 2) He only made a case on somebody else when forced to by the pressure from several votes, not before. Furthermore, Jonny's case on Koshi really feels to me like he just opened Koshi's filter and tried to spin each post in turn so that it looked scummy, rather than drawing a reasoned conclusion from Koshi's filter as a whole. I don't feel like a townie would seriously believe that case. I'm not 100% certain that Koshi is town myself but that case doesn't convince me one bit. 3) Jonny's position on LoneMeow makes no sense. He claims to have a scumread on LoneMeow: even though he's barely read LM's posts: Words fail me. Throwing Alak and LM on his scumreads along with Koshi was really, really lazy, and reeks of somebody not taking scumhunting seriously. 4) There's also this: If y'all aren't voting for JonnyLaw when I wake up tomorrow morning, you'd better have a damn good reason. 1. He's not interested in finding out people's alignments. True. 2) He only made a case on somebody else when forced to by the pressure from several votes, not before. ehh.. this is debatable. I sensed no hesitation to provide reads. 3) Jonny's position on LoneMeow makes no sense. Jonny's position is LM is scum for lurking and he didn't read LM's posts. This is careless but it's not contradictory, because LM doesn't have a very large filter. 4) There's also this: On February 07 2014 23:36 Aquanim wrote: I feel like this response by Jonny: misinterpreted some of Balla's points and completely ignored the strongest one. If y'all aren't voting for JonnyLaw when I wake up tomorrow morning, you'd better have a damn good reason. The last point I've already addressed. Um. Point 1 can be seen as scummy. The other points not so valid. - - - - Koshi's follow up: On February 08 2014 21:59 Koshi wrote: The biggest thing is still his disappearing act early game, not commenting on anything, and coming back to the thread with a "case" on me that was a misinterpretation of pregame posts. The no case on Balla. No more comments about it. The rush to get out of the thread at the end of the latest case. And then just his filter. I don't know if it is hilarious because I know I am town but really. There is nothing. I like this follow up. -- -- -- -- - - -- And now everyone is putting on their party hats and saying we caught scum. Suki's thoughts Points against Jonny: 1. He has one stupid case against Koshi and a few barely explained reads. 2. He isn't questioning people or trying to find out alignments. 3. He said he would write a case against Balla and didn't follow up. 4. He's barely been in the thread at all, and is almost lurking really. 5. Rushes to get out of the thread at the end of his latest case. Points for Jonny: 1. If you believe that he had a shitfest at work and believe he went out with his girlfriend then his absence from the thread, lack of reading through the thread and lack of depth in his reads can be explained. 2. He posted while he was drunk (which I guess most people will ignore) 3. If you believe he hasn't had much time, then the fact that he isn't questioning people makes sense too. When he is in the thread he uses his time to post his reads and also answer questions briefly. His rushing out of the thread also makes sense. like, if it's a long day and work was shit then maybe he just wants to get in bed. He isn't making excuses. He provides his opinions on people freely even if the reasons themselves are horrible and not researched. He's consistent with his view on Jay which is he doesn't want to read him due to tunneling him badly in the previous game. UNLIKE Jay, I can see townie motivation for the way Jonny plays if I assume that Jonny has been really short on time. YES, not questioning people and having shit cases is definitely against Jonny's regular play style. HOWEVER, I don't think he would just play scum like this if he actually did have time to play. In other words, unlike Jay who I am having a hard time finding townie motivation for, Jonny's actions and activity can be explained. Final Conclusion: I want to see more from Jonny. He is basically like a lurker at this point with bad cases. Maybe I'm giving him too much slack and to be honest his play is bad enough that I still would vote for him as my second pick, but I am NOT confident that he HAS to be scum. | ||
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I hate that both aren't here. | ||
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LoneMeow
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On February 08 2014 18:09 JonnyLaw wrote: No, I read his posts and saw nothing of merit. | ||
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suki
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I think a short-on-time scum Jonny can play a game exactly like this. But I also think a short-on-time town Jonny can also play a game like this. | ||
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Not much. I also have a null read on you at the moment  Haven't looked into you in depth yet. | ||
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On February 09 2014 05:46 suki wrote: Not much. I also have a null read on you at the moment Haven't looked into you in depth yet.I want you to play devil's advocate and explain why you think town-JonnyLaw would play like that. | ||
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