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On February 09 2014 05:45 suki wrote:
I dont oppose this lynch, I just provided this because Balla asked for it. I tried to be unbiased in my conclusions, looking at Jonny's actions from both a scum and town viewpoint.
I think a short-on-time scum Jonny can play a game exactly like this. But I also think a short-on-time town Jonny can also play a game like this.
The reason i'm using the activity thing as a point against Jonny and NOT jaybrundage is simply because of the fact that I have soooooo much more exp with Jonny then jaybrundage.
You were in NMM1: so you I'm sure you can see the similarities here, although I believe I am pushing Jonny MUCH harder then he was pushing me. I am very active as town, jonny calls me out when i'm scum for being inactive, i try to brush it off as RL but I can never really get back into it. Here it's similar, though he had a much better thread presence early on, probably due to stuff happening at a much faster rate this game.
I don't have the same situation/game to look at.
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EBWOP: I don't have the same situation/game to look at for jaybrundage.
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One thing that bothers me and makes me lean towards Jonny as town is that both Jonny and Jay posted one case of note, and both those cases are on Koshi.
I .. don't think if both of them were scum they would plan it like that.
Jay is scum to me. I think Jonny's behaviour could be explained with town reasoning. Everybody is on Jonny and the reasoning is just not that strong.
Lots of people have sheeped onto Jonny with barely any explanation.
Therefore I am worried about this lynch.
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On February 09 2014 05:45 suki wrote:
I dont oppose this lynch, I just provided this because Balla asked for it. I tried to be unbiased in my conclusions, looking at Jonny's actions from both a scum and town viewpoint.
I think a short-on-time scum Jonny can play a game exactly like this. But I also think a short-on-time town Jonny can also play a game like this.
and I don't oppose a straight up oppose a jayB lynch. We're arguing over nothing really, it's not like either of us see our targets as town.
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On February 09 2014 05:53 suki wrote:
One thing that bothers me and makes me lean towards Jonny as town is that both Jonny and Jay posted one case of note, and both those cases are on Koshi.
I .. don't think if both of them were scum they would plan it like that.
WIFOM. Also connections on unflipped players. Don't go there.
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Yes it's WIFOM.
I'm just stating my feelings here, and still wanting a lynch on Jay before Jonny. Hoping people will consider my points.
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one just happened to claim blue.
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On February 09 2014 06:10 Koshi wrote:
one just happened to claim blue.
You mean "kind of, maybe, perhaps, soft claim blue".
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What worries me is that nobody is here. Which is a great indicator of a townlynch.
Worst case scenario is that this is a townlynch and Suki/Oats/Hopeless are scum.
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On February 09 2014 06:13 Koshi wrote:
What worries me is that nobody is here. Which is a great indicator of a townlynch.
Worst case scenario is that this is a townlynch and Suki/Oats/Hopeless are scum.
What is the point of this post?
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On February 09 2014 06:13 LoneMeow wrote:You mean "kind of, maybe, perhaps, soft claim blue".
sure. But is it scummy to "kind of, maybe, perhaps, soft claim blue" 24h before lynch? I don't see it.
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Or it's indicative of a demotivated scum team.
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On February 09 2014 06:13 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 06:13 Koshi wrote:
What worries me is that nobody is here. Which is a great indicator of a townlynch.
Worst case scenario is that this is a townlynch and Suki/Oats/Hopeless are scum. What is the point of this post?
What is the point of life?
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Is it townie to kind of, maybe, perhaps, soft claim blue either?
It's also in direct contrast to how he claimed last game.
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Especially considering the people that aren't here are the high priority scum targets, and not the people that are voting for them.
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I feel it can come from town knowing he was under a shitton of pressure last game and it wasn't looking better this game.
As scum it is pretty ballsy.
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On February 09 2014 06:15 suki wrote:
Is it townie to kind of, maybe, perhaps, soft claim blue either?
It's also in direct contrast to how he claimed last game.
It's not even clear that he intended it as claim, though. He'd better explain it at the next good opportunity.
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On February 09 2014 06:17 Koshi wrote:
I feel it can come from town knowing he was under a shitton of pressure last game and it wasn't looking better this game.
As scum it is pretty ballsy.
I'm on suki's side here. I think his claim was scummy. Like I said before, no reason to do it, looked like he wanted to take credit for "claiming" it earlier when he might have actually got lynched. That's the only reasonable scenario I see for it.
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I'm here now Koshi. This lynch is so bad. Understandable but bad nonetheless. I got fucked staring at a monitor for 15 hours yesterday at work. No chance to make up for Friday's performance. This lynch is too easy for scum.
Gonna look at Suki's newer points on Jay.
Koshi this entire, "I can't vote him because he blue claimed is bull shit." He didn't claim anything and his post left room open to say exactly that when someone counter claims. Apparently no one else thinks you're scum tho.
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EPT
