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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On January 25 2014 03:54 kushm4sta wrote: um artanis i hate to break this to you bro, but im confirmed town due to some dumb shit i did in the first 5 minutes of the game. So you are barking up the wrong tree here. I don't know what you did in the first 5 minutes of the game to be confirmed town but you keep talking about it | ||
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
On January 25 2014 03:46 thrawn2112 wrote: is anyone townreading VE? for a good reason? if nobody can answer i think that's a good reason to vote him I have 2 small things that keep me from giving VE a solid town read. 1) Despite having an 8 page filter, I don't really remember much of what he's done. Fight with bum a lot, but not really a whole lot else. 2) He hasn't really been interacting with me very much. Like he's not given a single opinion about me, which isn't scummy in itself, but I'm a smurf. He's not been digging trying to get a read on me, just letting me lurk around and not do a whole lot. Despite that, I still have a marginal town read on VE. is arguments with bum felt like the frustrated town VE. I 'unno, I think it's *possible* VE could be scum, but I don't think we should lynch him today. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
I've read his filter several times already and come away with no reads every time. his tone and stuff suggest that he is interested in finding scum but i don't think he's made any impact on the game despite how long his filter is. during d2 he;s seemed too carefree abut who he is willing to vote and he's not doing anything to heklp town find scum he doesn't have anything townie going for him other than how he talks, i guess? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 25 2014 04:07 BarristanTheBold wrote: I have 2 small things that keep me from giving VE a solid town read. 1) Despite having an 8 page filter, I don't really remember much of what he's done. Fight with bum a lot, but not really a whole lot else. 2) He hasn't really been interacting with me very much. Like he's not given a single opinion about me, which isn't scummy in itself, but I'm a smurf. He's not been digging trying to get a read on me, just letting me lurk around and not do a whole lot. Despite that, I still have a marginal town read on VE. is arguments with bum felt like the frustrated town VE. I 'unno, I think it's *possible* VE could be scum, but I don't think we should lynch him today. I have no reason to think you're scum. So I haven't mentioned you. Consider it a town read. I'm not letting you lurk, nor do I think what you've been doing is lurking. You're posting when it's relevant and saying things I find townie. Not remembering what I've done isn't a scumtell. Just so we're clear. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On January 25 2014 03:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Artanis I'm not sure if you're being lazy or just scummier here. You really think that a scum team consists of jonnylaw/kush/balla24? Honestly you and rayn both must think I'm a scum god. I promoted lynching kush and balla all day1. Okay let's say you're right. In what world would I be sitting in a scum qt saying, "hey balla and kush lets chat and bus each other all day when there's not pressure on us yet! Balla, make sure to say you think I'm scum as well and let's see who can get lynched faster." Kush is always going to be a lynch target and Balla basically gave up on the game because I wouldn't stop calling him scum. Your accusations are so weak. They were weak when rayn made them and they're still weak. Actually, I thought that for a bit :< The conversation would then continue, "Hey I know, let's both target zarepath and crossfire and get them lynched. If there's two of us pushing them then that's practically a majority already!" When balla dies he'd be like "damn Jonny boy you won that one. Next time I'll win the lynch race." Also I still like Artanis lynch over Jonny. His defense isn't really doing anything for me. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
But, looking at your reasoning, that makes me believe bum's claim more myself. Like you said - he would have had no reason to suspect one of the three Named VT claims as early as he did unless he KNEW one was lying. The only way he'd know that is if there IS NO Godfather if he's scum. And if there's no Godfather, then there's a counterclaim coming. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 25 2014 04:39 kushm4sta wrote: ve how believable do you find thrawn's claim? im not up on the claims and setups and whatnot like you are. If he's not Named VT then we've got issues. Let me look. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 25 2014 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1. Interaction with Balla seems fake. He pressures Balla a bit, then when Balla answers him he doesn't do anything with it, just continues to call him scum. He knows the alignment of Balla already so he doesn't actually care about the answers. He just wants interaction for distancing. 2. His read on Kush makes no sense. He says this is exactly how Kush plays. So clearly he knows a lot about Kush's meta. Welp, that's weird. He suddenly forgot 90 minutes later. 3. Voting pattern compared to reads VE already brought this up. He's thought Balla was scum all game long, but doesn't really interact with him much, nor does he vote for him until he's already dead and buried. [b]4. Accuses people without purpose. So there's this thing he found interesting except he could see it done as both alignments. Okay. 5. Keeps trying to get cred for the Balla lynch After the lynch, Jonny seems more interested in getting credit for the lynch despite not having voted for him until the last moment than anything else. 6. Can't keep his own story straight Rayn already said it. On January 22 2014 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is really bad. Really bad. He's had one clear scumread all the game. When something unexpected happens he has no idea what to do and then calls Balla's posting town?!?! But it was scummy before? And after. lol. On January 23 2014 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: no no no. This does not make any sense. That should be pretty much slam dunk already. Now for the recent posts which seem to have given people a townread on him somehow. 7. Case on Suki Cases can be bad and that doesn't make the person that makes them scummy. However, the choice of target on its own doesn't make sense. When you're a townie and you feel down and out and there's one person trying to motivate you to try again, who do you filter first to try and find scum? Generally it isn't the person trying to motivate you. So why would a scum JL do it? Because she was the best target that no one had really made a case on yet. Making a case on Bum wouldn't get you any credit because VE's already done it. Suki was the one with the filter easiest to portrait as scum that no one did yet. A perfect target for a scum case. The effort involved wasn't too much either, simply quoting posts and adding a line here and there and suddenly towncred galore. 8. Instant flip with town consensus Okay, now that the town cred has been accrued, let's see who we can actually lynch. Artanis is getting a lot of votes, let's plop my vote down there. What's strange is that the thing that's showing I'm town the most, the effort I put into getting my target lynched, is somehow scummy to him. From all the things in my filter that's what he points out. It shows a lack of a town mindset. Lynch JonnyLaw. He's scum. Lynch me if I'm wrong. 1) While you bring up a lot of neat points, artanis, none of it is really damning. JL talking about balla and not voting him until the end is curious, but eventually he does when it matters, I don't think he is trying to gain anything by it. It looks more like a town thought process. 2) His vote on kush is bad, but again that looks like faulty town play. He never apears to call kush town, just saying "that's how he plays", as either alignment. He is interested in how rayn came to his conclusion. He does think it over before he votes him, the distance between those posts you gave about kush are hours away from each and alot happens in between then. 3) His vote on zarepath isn't awful either. EVERYONE THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM. I would have rather lynched VE, and I ate flak for taking my vote off him, and you had a town read on me at the time. His reasons are on par with someone trying to scumhunt. You would have to reach a good amount to turn that into scum that is slightly bussing. 4) Rayn accuses people without purpose to generate reads. I think JLaw's attacks have a similar goal; to draw out content from certain players. Crossfire had barely any content. He was attempting to bring attention to it an wasn't pushing CF as anything. All of this just indicates that JLaw is reading the thread and trying to come up with reads. 5/6) I think he deserves some... His post with suki about balla "playing his town game" is out of place, though. 7) I find this very silly. He is developing reads, and going into territory no one has gone before is town, not mafia. Your reasons why this is scummy are completely far-fetched. 8) This is alignment-read bias. If you are really convinced someone is scum, everything they do is going to have a mafia reason. I think a lot of what JLaw has said is questionable, but 0% of it is anti-town, and you have to ignore the vote on balla to even start to get a non-town read on him. [b]Please reconsider the wagon on JLaw, he is 95% town from what I can see. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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