EPTI bussed Adam because Palmar caught him red-handed and if I didn't bus him we were both going down
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marvellosity
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I bussed Adam because Palmar caught him red-handed and if I didn't bus him we were both going down | ||
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gonzaw
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Holyflare
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On January 21 2014 23:14 gonzaw wrote: No marvy im talking about that other game you talked about in the Mafia Awards thread i think (was it Msrio mafia or aomwthing?) Well holy maybe you could chill down and wait till i get home and finally be able to read the thread. This little chat im having now is mostly to show my process of thougth while i read the thread and have little info and whilr i gain more info. Its a good way to establish one's towniness Well I'm sorry if it comes across as antagonism. I just find it odd that your contribution in your work time would be to mention someone that has little to no posts that are suspicious as hell rather than read the rest of the thread and portray your fresh ideas when you are home. I will take a step back and let you do your thing though. I have yet to play with everyone here so will learn your meta eventually. | ||
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Holyflare
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On January 21 2014 23:03 gonzaw wrote: it's not grasping at straws when you mention it yourself but yeh, the more i look at it the more i realise it's not something scum indicative as such. Well dunno marvy you dont seem so quite engag so far. I prefertrying to ger a read off you than trying to make sense of the Hapa VE shit ill most likely ignore for instance. I,think i rememer you throwing buddies under the bus pretty early and with conviction when you were acum, so if foo is scum i dont really have a proble with you being too | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 21 2014 22:54 marvellosity wrote: I really agree with this though Still haven't quite got over kita being town in whatever game it was where he made some really large, terrible case on drazerk and pushed it repeatedly You know you're good when marv has to go back 15 months to find a bad case in a game where I voted for 5 different scum, roleblocked a scum player 4 times, and shot a scum multiple times. It's ok though. Just because I'm using Luminaire on Lavos, doesn't mean your pointy sword is any less important  I believe in the past marv, you have been hesitant to vote Foolishness early on. Do you think he is jumping on an easy target or do you simply want an explanation? Also, gotta make the rounds. ##Unvote ##Foolishness | ||
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marvellosity
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What do you think you or town are gaining by asking me that question about Fool? | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 21 2014 23:53 marvellosity wrote: You believe incorrectly dear. What do you think you or town are gaining by asking me that question about Fool? In the champions game, Foolishness opened with a poor post, someone jumped on it and you reacted as follows: "Foolish is from my site. I wouldn't read too much into that post yet. " "He's a notoriously slow starter; if he doesn't pick up his analysis before the day ends then I'll be having a problem with him." This game you have decided to read into his first post and put him on a shorter leash (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) The reason I'm asking is to see if you've decided to take a different approach this game or if you think his first post in this game is a more serious concern than the previous game. | ||
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marvellosity
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This game is pretty different to normal because as a general rule I tend to go for unimportant/quiet players on Day 1, and in this game that type of player simply doesn't exist. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387370¤tpage=6#120 His first vote in that game (2nd or 3rd post in his filter) is unexplained twaddle too. | ||
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kitaman27
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Since I don't believe we've crossed paths before HolyFlare, lets chat. I'll let you choose the topic. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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That being said, I at least dig one of his targets. I asked Foolish about his thoughts on this same matter and what I got is "lol you and Hapa townies" which is definitely NOT what I was after. He answered my question as if he'd read the exchange between us, but left me with a feeling that he hadn't actually read anything at all. If I see one more person say they're going to ignore my posts, I won't be responsible for the outcome. You have been warned. | ||
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marvellosity
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On January 22 2014 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Morning guys. Marv no, I don't think it's the same kind of Prome that I'm used to seeing. What it reminds me of is that game I was the mayor and lynched the piss out of Prome D1. He was a lurky little shit that game, but I caught him on something very similar to what I noticed this game. Like I think it's awful that I have to ask this, but did you read my post on him? That being said, I at least dig one of his targets. I asked Foolish about his thoughts on this same matter and what I got is "lol you and Hapa townies" which is definitely NOT what I was after. He answered my question as if he'd read the exchange between us, but left me with a feeling that he hadn't actually read anything at all. If I see one more person say they're going to ignore my posts, I won't be responsible for the outcome. You have been warned. Pretty sure I saw you post in another game rather recently that you were ignoring someone else's posts... taken the ole hypocrite-tea, have we? And as you well know I always read everyone's posts, so yes, you should feel awful for asking that. Bad VE. You're talking about LX, and no it doesn't really feel the same. | ||
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kitaman27
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marvellosity
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VisceraEyes
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On January 21 2014 11:47 Promethelax wrote: You got so close to making that case on me. So close. And yet so far. It is policy and we could discuss it, I just assume no one will disagree with it so there is no discussion which will stem from it. The discussion comes from me posting things which you can call me town on or base a case on. That is what generates discussion, not policy we all agree on. Since you are, so far, the only person interrogating people on the shit they post I'm choosing to believe you are town for the moment. Since I am town that means you and I shall discuss other people. In this case VE and this post: You see VE knows how to say things. But this post doesn't say things. This post, when the fluff is removed says that we should let Sandroba do his own thing because no matter what he'll do his own thing and that Sandroba may or may not catch scum. It shows such a lack of curiosity that I am disturbed. Do you, Hapa, agree? y/n? Will you go on a date with me y/n? This was a terrible reasoning for suspecting me in the first place, but to be fair it looks like a conversation starter more than an actual accusation, which can and does come from both alignments. However as a conversation starter, I do notice a distinct lack of calling me scummy or suspicious, only "disturbing". Could be benign icebreaking, or malicious doubt-weaving. Who can be so sure so early? I think it's suspicious because I think the rest of his play following this has been suspicious to me. | ||
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gonzaw
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Preface: I haven't reread the thread yet, but I'll post anyways. Why? Because it's another step in making me confirmed town, which is always nice. I'll continue my thoughts on Foolishness, then go get something to eat, come back, reread the thread, and post about that shit Holy's been buggering me about. Let's just start with some filters: Personality Mafia 2 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204&user=Foolishness TL Mafia LVIII - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=Foolishness Parallel World Mafia - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387591&user=Foolishness - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387370&user=Foolishness Bureaucracy Mafia - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=Foolishness Liar Game Mafia - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034&user=Foolishness His filters are usually short, so you can easily skim all or most of those. One thing I notice about scum and town Foo, is the tone of his posts, or "seriousness" in which he posts. When Foo' is scum, you have a feeling that it's NOT him posting, but maybe BH or something. Both town and scum Foo sometimes make big posts, some times make one-liners, etc, so that's not really alignment-indicative, but his attitude, and, of course, overall attempts to find scum and move town forward are what separates them. Let's put some examples. Personality Mafia 2 On March 12 2013 09:44 Foolishness wrote: Actually, yamato makes a lot of sense. He's more trolly and abrasive when he's mafia. When I say that, I mean he's direct about his insults: "you're an asshat", etc. Refer to Fruity Mini Mafia to see this in action (when he's mafia). In Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia, he was town, and while his posting rate was the same, he wasn't as abrasive and didn't swear as much. More importantly, in that game he was actually helpful and contributing. You notice the helpful tone in Foo's posts. He answers directly, and pursues a town agenda. In contrast TL Mafia LVIII On January 04 2013 06:41 Foolishness wrote: Best post ever. It's so good I'm just not going to read the next 20 pages. On January 04 2013 06:49 Foolishness wrote: ##Vote: Toadesstern AWWWW YEEAAAAAHHHH Bureaucracy Mafia On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote: Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style: Ignore List: Mattchew Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts? Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him. And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1. ##Vote: syllogism Again, it doesn't seem that's Foo posting, but another more "trolly" player. He's abrasive, and makes little effort in appearing helpful. He doesn't explain himself, seemingly makes posts without thinking about them beforehand, makes baseless accusations, and basically trolls and goofs around. Pair Liar Game and Personality 2's filters on one hand, and the rest, and you can easily see some differences and similarities. But yes, at some points, town foo can get a little carried away (like in Personality), and at times scum Foo "try-hards" into making fluff posts. But those don't usually happen, and even if they did, you can still get a read on him. Now, when I see posts like these: On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote: This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow On January 21 2014 15:45 Foolishness wrote: Wait. Wait. If you are going to ignore it, why did you respond to it? It's not hard to see which one of those two different attitudes it reminds you of. Doesn't explain himself, makes baseless accusations, etc. He also makes some seemingly "casual" response, like the "Wait. Wait" thing. That's not the way I see town Foo posting. It's a small thing, but it does add a sense of "this is wrong" to his post. When Foo starts posting and you get that feeling, he is likely scum. I hope this serves as a "guide" or baseline for you guys trying to get a read off Foo, and not just ignore him for 10 days (if he happens to be scum). I'll see if I vote him or not later, I mean, I haven't even read the thread yet (at least the walls of text some guys have been posting). | ||
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marvellosity
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