On December 11 2013 08:28 NotYango wrote:
High turnover means you get a high number of players developing pro team experience which means even if those players don't end up being suitable for competitive play they have the knowhow to help build developing teams.

Low turnover rate on NA means you get a lot of overrated talent that sticks around for a long time and overall slow rate of growth because not enough talented players are getting pro team experience. LCS exacerbates this because it puts an artificial barrier between amateur and professional teams meaning fresh talent doesn't get exposure to playing against the best in a competitive setting.

It's a matter of removing overrated talent, not so much forcing new talent.
different point of view I suppose. But, I agree completely with LCS exacerbating the problem between amateur and professional teams.

On December 11 2013 08:30 cLutZ wrote:
Korea doesn't replace party willy nilly. Except Ozone before worlds. That was bonkers.

They do add key parts to teams from seemingly no where, they're just much better scouting new talent and developing them.

Gahlo

United States35060 Posts

December 10 2013 23:35 GMT

#3904

How many amateur teams really play with pro teams in KR? I don't think there's any more interaction between top 5-8 in OGN and the amateurs in NLB than the LCS relegation teams in NACL and other tournaments that are going on now.

NotYango

United States719 Posts

December 10 2013 23:39 GMT

#3905

Top-tier teams interact with mid-tier teams in OGN groupstage, and then again when the top tier teams drop down to NLB (NLB ends up not just being an amateur tournament).

The only chance that any amateur team on NA has of playing an LCS team is relegation vs bottom 3 teams.

Gahlo

United States35060 Posts

December 10 2013 23:44 GMT

#3906

Bottom 3 in LCS = 6-8, best teams that drop out of OGN= 5-8. Don't see how it's that much of a difference. Top tier vs amateur is near useless. Relegated teams have been playing in Amateur leagues since LCS ended. The only competitions they were barred from was qualifiers.

NotYango

United States719 Posts

December 10 2013 23:45 GMT

#3907

Also, think about how new teams are formed in KR/CN. Virtually all successful teams are formed in one of two ways:
1) Tier 1 team forms a B-team in order to develop new talent/practice partners for successful A-team
2) Experienced player that was cut from a tier 1 team forms new roster with fresh talent

Both methods of forming a team give said team high initial exposure and a lot of opportunities for new pros to develop rapidly amongst established talent (either under the guidance of the experienced pro, or against their sister team).

Method 1 is difficult to sell under the LCS system because your B-team only gets to participate in amateur tournaments and cannot become an LCS team without splitting from your organization. Method 2 doesn't happen without high enough turnover among established pros in top-tier teams.

Gahlo

United States35060 Posts

December 10 2013 23:54 GMT

#3908

As far as team creation and upward mobility, I agree. Hopefully the Coke Zero league will fix some of that issue.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

December 10 2013 23:58 GMT

#3909

Who's the fucking retard in charge of the playlist for the NACL? This guy's has dumb as any twitch chat dumbass spamming memes.

Gahlo

United States35060 Posts

December 11 2013 00:07 GMT

#3910

On December 11 2013 08:58 Alaric wrote:
Who's the fucking retard in charge of the playlist for the NACL? This guy's has dumb as any twitch chat dumbass spamming memes.

I thought that song was hilarious. If you don't like it, mute it.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

December 11 2013 00:17 GMT

#3911

increasing the visibility of the EU LCS for North American players.

10 AM PST / 7 AM EST on Thursday/Friday for NA. Yeah, that's really visible.