That might share some insight into that - i mean work by process.of elimination.
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That might share some insight into that - i mean work by process.of elimination. | ||
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I also want to lynch Risen because of his "lynch austin/Pandain/HF/rayn".. Like wtf, we have all been just bussing each other the whole game rofl? That's so fucking dumb to even suggest that.. | ||
Holyflare
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hey rayn they totally fell for it though right? | ||
Oatsmaster
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Why is SS scum though rayn? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 20 2013 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah rayn, I was slightly confused by Risen. Why is SS scum though rayn? Because he is acting like a baby and every time he posts he whines about me posting so much bohoo too hard to read bullcrap and then says nothing.. Also as i said i refuse to believe scum did not want to run for mayor. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:22 VayneAuthority wrote: we can already see from mocsta that scum did try to get mayor. If anything it is pretty obvious SS is town at this point or they woulda used their votes to get him into office easily Yeah but they DID get him into the office. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah but they DID get him into the office. Then that makes grack really bad because he secure the SS pardoner didn't he at the last second? | ||
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I have no idea what are you suggesting here Vayne. If there was scum who actually tried to run for mayor (like who had a decent chance to become one) it's supersoft. | ||
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On November 20 2013 10:37 austinmcc wrote: Oh hi rayn/thrawn log. Thrawn, can you...can you explain to me a couple things? (1) How the me/pandain not giving reads thing worked for you, just...stream of consciousness throughout game? (2) Do you remember Mocsta in Newbie 37? (3) If so, Y U NO SAY SOMETHING? (4) If you read Newbie 37 filter, do you still agree 100% with BC's analysis of grack/mocsta? (5) If yes/no, why? And what does it say about BC to you? (1) I don't know what you mean here. I did make that joke about pandain being honest but it wasn't really anything more than that, a joke. If you look at the rest of my posts and my D2 vote I definitely didn't let him off the hook like you're suggesting (2) lol no (3) null (4/5) i'm way too lazy to read that game and besides that I don't see what scum newbie mocsta has to do with this game's mocsta. and can you or somebody else explain what's so bad about BC's analysis? this is what seems to be the core of it: "I say this not because of how strongly my gut screams hes red, but purely on how the interactions between mocsta and him were. Mocsta appeared to be extremely angry/cross/annoyed/etc... almost exclusively with grack which is completely different from how he interacted with basically everyone in this game and everyone in personality." 1 mocsta is scum... his flip confirms this 2 grack is scum... he is unflipped but I hope to finally get people to reevaluate him now that we can talk about non-bh stuff 3 if # 2 is correct then it would make PERFECT sense that mocsta decided to buss grack go read grack's filter up to the end of N1. pretend that grack is scum and pretend that you're scum mocsta. does BC's stuff make sense now? speaking of reading grack's filter, can everyone go read grack's filter? people said they would do that if BH doesn't flip scum and I don't see that happening | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:25 Holyflare wrote: Then that makes grack really bad because he secure the SS pardoner didn't he at the last second? Well it also makes sense they did not want to kill BH in case they "knew" he was assassin if they had an assassin read on VE. That would make supersoft look really bad (as the situation is now rofl). | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:26 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm suggesting that you are letting supersoft as a poster affect you instead of actually looking at the game as a whole he only mentioned mocsta last second on an on the cuff remark, who is to say if he became mayor that somebody couldn't have "changed his mind"? it is wifom at best and shouldn't really matter either way | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:03 Mig wrote: Grack can you explain how you know Oats is town? Oats you want to lynch HF/hopeless tomorrow? What do you think about BC? Does anyone know who masond VE? I have a hard time believing town has 5+ masons and mafia none. Oats looks really scummy as town lol. When he's scum he tries to make his posts seem sensible, plays more passively, and tries to avoid getting a lot of attention. This Oats is getting in dumb fights constantly; town Oats is agressive, confrontational, and dumber than scum Oats. | ||
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On November 20 2013 10:57 Holyflare wrote: I think you're conflating two things?Also austin why has your stance on mocsta suddenly changed in favour of lynching bc when in the mason chat you couldn't get a scum read on him??? + Show Spoiler + Austinmcc: There's nothing in his filter really for me. I think he misrepresented some stuff from storrzerg early on, but not in a way that screams scum. I agree with artanis that some of his poking has looked a bit opportunistic, but when I read mocsta's filter, I'm not really sold at him being scummy. The only scum game I remember of mocsta's was one of his newbies and I was coaching town. He was relatively adept at....trying to do a thing, trying to post a certain way in order to get to x or y later down the road. I don't know if that's a constant theme of his games, but it made me think that he plays a scumgame aimed at setting up lynches/thoughts/pitting people against each other, and I don't get much of that from his play this game. My stance on MOCSTA was that I couldn't get a scumread on him. My stance on mocsta has changed because he flipped red. My stance on BC yesterday was that I did not like his play, found him kind of scummy. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 11:28 austinmcc wrote: He actively engaged me early when he didn't need to, which I found mildly townie. His return post on grack I didn't care too much for. BC can make that post as either alignment, it doesn't say much. The most interesting thing in his return is the stuff at the tail end, the quick minor lists of reads:That bit looks decent there, including the response to yamato, which I'm fine with. But after being suspicious on rayn, he...he has this weird interaction. He asks rayn about risen, agrees to look at rayn's HF case, seems to find 2/3 of the 3 points rayn made on HF unconvincing + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read. I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it. Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list The train of thought there, as I read things, is: (1) rayn is on my watch list; (2) rayn made this case; (3) I don't like 2 of his 3 points; (4) the 3rd is good therefore I will consider rayn's target maybe scummy. Within the development of BC/rayn, I never saw BC call out rayn as TOWN, or specifically like anything rayn said and find it super awesome. Which leaves me wondering why rayn, who was suspicious a moment ago, has a single good point and two bad points on HF, yet HF now jumps up BC's lynch list. He engages Artanis which I like okay, gives Artanis a task, follows up, has clearly actually looked into Grackaroni. Overall, the BC read on rayn/HF is confusing to me, and I would like to hear what he was thinking throughout that. Otherwise, I don't want to lynch him, but I really really really don't want him in office. I think his grackaroni suspicion is supported by real stuff, but it's stuff he can find well enough as town OR mafia, and there's nothing in his filter that makes me confident he's actually town. A lot of his posting has been addressing side issues (his hatred of trolling, his thoughts re: storrzerg's newbieness or lack thereof), and if you eliminate side issues and grackaroni, his filter is very very meh (hopeless should post more/better, AMG SUCH A TOWNIE THOUGHT). I think that IF he's very obviously town, he's a fine person to slap a vest on. But I do not read him as such, and I would not want him voted for anything right now. On November 17 2013 03:20 austinmcc wrote: And a bunch of other posts where I ask people about their BC reads, ask for updates, etc.Still of the mind that his big post on grack/storr is not something to draw a read off of. I don't know about you, i THINK it was Acrofales and not you that I was scum with once and we were chatting about opportunities to make very townie housecleaning/scumhunting posts in the middle of shitfights while being scum. HolyFlare and...was it rayn? Yes. Were fighting, being spammy, trying to take control of the thread and rayn was really trying to get discussion centered on his HF case. There were a LOT of folks not being examined yet, it was early, and I think BC as town OR scum would notice that thread really needs a half-decent case at someone in that un-examined group to (a) turn discussion towards something more fruitful and (b) get AWAY from rayn/HF. It's not scummy to do that, but it's not as townie as other people make it out to be. The rest of his filter...there's a lot of side stuff. Discussions over ss and VE mayoral candidacies. Questioning yamato's townieness re mayor/pardonership. Apart from his one sizeable reads post, I see way more discussion of side issues or sniping at little things than I like. Towniest thing in his filter for me is him pointing you towards a specific grack game to read. But for all his posts, there isn't much of substance. Certainly don't want him elected, mildly scummy on him. Just way too much about hating trolls, skorr not being a noob, hopeless not having contributed enough, who should be mayor, it's all...not scumhunty, and it rarely/never leads anywhere. My turn. If I may, let's mix things up a little. BOTH ONEGU AND HOLYFLARE, GO! Or in mason chat - "I'm currently not loving BC, not loving cheesecake, not loving lonemeow (but I have zero experience with the guy), and generally not very sure on anything." (/m57) The way that BC has acted today has not improved my read on him. He has continued to be mainly involved in side discussion, and where he interacts with the mocsta flip reads, I find his interaction to be...questionable at best. | ||
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