at this point i'm like 99.99% sure cakeman is town. vonthin and jonnylaw are also pretty much in the clear, since their accusations / push on tehpoofter came pretty early when there was still no reason for mafia to bus one another.

reading through poofter's filter, his conversation with/about Storr is interesting if Storr does turn out to be scum (it makes sense if you assume that relationship). i'd like to invite everyone to read through poofter's filter and then Storr's to get an idea of what i mean.

E00e has poor activity not unlike me, but i'm thinking he's unlikely to be scum too, just based on his relationship with poofter / Storr.

after July's lynch, Vanesco's death and now Tehpoofter's death, we're left with only 10 players. assuming a no-SK setup, that means there should be 2 more.

i propose the following:

Town
Obzy
nyxnyxnyx
JonnyLaw
cakemanofdoom
E00e

Scum
Tehpoofter

Likely to be scum
StorrZerg

Pick 1 out of 4 to be scum
onlywonderboy
Vonthin
Balla24
OdinOfPergo

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 04 2013 05:08 GMT

#1183

okay fuck me Vonthin was supposed to be under town, making it 1 out of 3.

Pick 1 out of 3 to be scum
onlywonderboy
Balla24
OdinOfPergo

Balla24

2322 Posts

November 04 2013 05:10 GMT

#1184

Nyxnyxnyx

Nyx -> Poofter Interactions
- First to vote Poofter in entire game. He even makes some new points on him. He does remove the vote later in the interest of getting a vote through.
- No further interaction in this direction

Voting Patterns
D1: Voted E00 then Poofter then E00 then Odin
D2: Voted Storr, no discussion about it.

Poofter -> Nyx Interactions
- Calls people out for "lying" about nyx activity issue on subforum, not really directly about nyx.
- Calls nyx out for doing 180 on cake/vanesco reads and not having anything else
- Says he doesn't like his play on D1
- No more mention of him besides him being the 3rd mafia out of the jonny/cake pair he was pushing, also included in here is Vonthin/OWB... he drops vonthin/nyx by the end and goes on OWB 100%.

Balla24

2322 Posts

November 04 2013 05:11 GMT

#1185

Umm nyx..? Why is vonthin under town over me?

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 04 2013 05:13 GMT

#1186

sorry balla, was just typing it as i read through filters. i think you're okay too, unless active citizenry scum is a thing

Balla24

2322 Posts

November 04 2013 05:14 GMT

#1187

Vonthin was tunneling on OWB half the day. I called him out for ignoring poofter and he only answered my questions on him until after I had already voted Poofter...

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 04 2013 05:14 GMT

#1188

i actually forgot why i put E00e under confirmed town now. it's certainly not his filter.

Balla24

2322 Posts

November 04 2013 05:15 GMT

#1189

I don't like how you put Vonthin or E00e under town...

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 04 2013 05:16 GMT

#1190

Vonthin has made 2 separate scum reads on Poofter pretty early on, i think that gets him a free pass for day 3 at least.

Balla24

2322 Posts

November 04 2013 05:17 GMT

#1191

No it doesn't. Especially since he never acted on them. Think about it. He listed him twice as scum and never pushed for it..

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 04 2013 05:23 GMT

#1192

ah right, the E00e thing was because of http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20104688 where Tehpoofter
jumps on him right after a bandwagon starts forming up. no reason at that point to not help out your mafia buddy, hence E00e not scummy. in a majority lynch game i reckon a good/safer strategy by mafia would be to propose multiple targets throughout voting to confuse, rather than to outright attempt a bluff via voting for your mafia buddy. that's why i had E00e under town.

i think a core difference is that you're looking at things that make people suspicious, whereas i'm starting from what we know from the confirmed scum and working backwards based off that. tehpoofter votes E00e -> E00e unlikely to be scum. JonnyLaw + Vonthin voted tehpoofter -> they are unlikely to be scum

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 04 2013 05:24 GMT

#1193

think about it, why would you list your friend as scum TWICE at all when no one would fault you for just reading something/someone else altogether

StorrZerg

United States13910 Posts

November 04 2013 05:25 GMT

#1194

nyxnyxnyx you want to give me an accusation
From what i gather my conversation is "interesting" with tehpoofter. and it "makes sense if i flip scum"

got anything else besides "interesting"
cause im town

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 04 2013 05:25 GMT

#1195

Town
Obzy
nyxnyxnyx
JonnyLaw
cakemanofdoom
E00e
Vonthin
Balla24

Scum
Tehpoofter

Likely to be scum
StorrZerg

Pick 1 out of 2 to be scum
onlywonderboy
OdinOfPergo

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 04 2013 05:28 GMT

#1196

^ corrected list.

at this point i'm comfortable with a lynch on Storr/owb/Odin. i must admit i might be tunneling a little hard on Storr as part of me wants to be proven right for the hard push / yolovote on him day 2. i'll let other people come to conclusions on Storr on their own at this juncture. owb/odin i'm not so sure about. assuming Storr is scum (remember, this is an assumption), then only 1 out of 2 of them are scum, which makes a mislynch pretty likely. i'd greatly prefer a Storr vote in day 3, but if that's not possible then settling for one of the other 2 seems okay i guess.

Balla24

2322 Posts

November 04 2013 05:31 GMT

#1197

Please stop clogging the thread with Storr/Nyx arguments. Yall have argued quite enough already.

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

November 04 2013 05:36 GMT

#1198

Balla24, could you make your case for Vonthin being scum? i think that would be helpful because owb has pushed for Vonthin in the past.

Balla24

2322 Posts

November 04 2013 05:36 GMT

#1199

Vonthin

Vonthin -> Poofter Interaction
- Calls him scum quite early on day 1, after Jonny's case on him. Then he leaves him off his "top2 scum reads" in favor of E00, who he had a noread on in the list.
- Calls july's vote on Poofter bad.. (because july just put it on cause he thought he wouldn't get lynched, good reasoning)
- After day1 calls Poofter scummy AGAIN in a list.
- Asks Storr directly about Poofter... doesn't seem to follow up on it, don't really know why he asked him because of that.
- Argues with jonny about how he pushed vanesco to push poofter.. (not reading too much there, worth looking at though but it was hard to follow)
- "Overdue thoughts on poofter" calls him scummy again, says hes willing to vote as last resort
- Switches to poofter LATE (IMO) after he sees OWB's case isn't gaining traction.
- Starts saying he isnt comfortable lynching poofter if he's not voting, unvotes him, and then when he does post he votes him again (initially i thought of this as a buss, will leave it up to you alls analysis, just consolidating info)
- Defends storr's hesitance on Poofter vote due to modkill fear...

Voting Patterns
D1: Votes E00, unvotes when it loses steam, votes July once it starts gaining traction. Interestingly, poofter's vote on E00 comes shortly after.
D2: Votes OWB, unvotes and votes poofter once OWB starts losing steam, unvotes and revotes OWB then unvotes and revotes poofter and leaves it there.

Poofter -> Vonthin Interaction
- Poofter calls vonthin out for being inactive "please post more so we can kill some scum"... interesting wording.. Doesn't seem to follow up on it.
- After voting OWB, says he would rather go on "vonthin/cake"... no reasoning
- Defends himself against vonthin who asked why he didnt vote for vonthin/cake over OWB when he admits he has no reasoning on OWB.
- Calls vonthin possible 3rd mafia in a johnny/cake pair, drops it and says OWB is the 3rd eventually before dying.

Balla24

2322 Posts

November 04 2013 05:38 GMT

#1200

On November 04 2013 14:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Balla24, could you make your case for Vonthin being scum? i think that would be helpful because owb has pushed for Vonthin in the past.

I've made it twice now. Not making a new case just yet.

Will link since my filter is freaking massive...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&currentpage=37#735 Night1 case
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&currentpage=47#940 Day2 case