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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:39 GMT
#1201
Storr, I'm leaving the E00 post up to you. I'll make one if I feel like you did a bad job but I particularly want you to do it.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:43 GMT
#1202
Nyx. Take a step back from Storr please. I don't want to hear your case on him until lynch time. Look at other people. I'd like you to look specifically at: Vonthin/Odin...

Vonthin is easy, he has 4 pages of filter, and i've already listed all his interactions with poofter. See what you can make out of that. Analysis, ask yourself why he would do everything he does.

Odin is interesting because you say you have a town read on him... i'm not sold on Odin. See what you find in regards to him/poofter. If you want, make a list of interactions like I did for You/Vonthin/Owb... might be helpful.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 04 2013 05:44 GMT
#1203
what's interesting is that Von/owb are kind of opposed, meaning they are unlikely to be scum together. i'll give that Vonthin is pretty suspicious, but that's if we give little credit for lists.
cool beans
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 04 2013 05:44 GMT
#1204
i do not have a town read on Odin. i'd be willing to vote Odin, i just can't make a case for/against him since his posts and reads thus far have been confusing
cool beans
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:47 GMT
#1205
On November 04 2013 14:24 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
think about it, why would you list your friend as scum TWICE at all when no one would fault you for just reading something/someone else altogether


Just look at last game... GGtemplar called both SagaZ and I scummy MULTIPLE times throughout the game (starting on day1) which caused us to do the same about each other. I was saying SagaZ was scummy half the game.

It's good to throw red-herrings at the town as mafia. I've played mafia twice now and it's definitely a useful thing to do... it makes it VERY hard to make any sort of pairrings when people get caught.

I find it suspicious that he doesn't ACT on his "scum read" of him. Makes it seem faked.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:48 GMT
#1206
On November 04 2013 14:44 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i do not have a town read on Odin. i'd be willing to vote Odin, i just can't make a case for/against him since his posts and reads thus far have been confusing


Sorry, typo haha~.. I don't mind if you can't make a case for him. But please look into him... I just don't want you looking at storr. You're seriously tunnel visioning.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 05:49 GMT
#1207
Also, another note.. I'm not saying I don't see Storr as a possible scum. I just don't want YOU looking at him. You've made your suspicion of him very clear.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 04 2013 05:59 GMT
#1208
fair enough on the Vonthin point. what are your thoughts on the Vonthin/owb pair being unlikely?
cool beans
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 06:07 GMT
#1209
StorrZerg

StorrZerg -> Poofter Interactions [Sorry, storrzerg's filter is pretty long so this will be quite general instead of detailed as the other ones were]
-Didn't consider him for most the game, but when he did, he decides he has a town read on him.
-Votes for him towards the end, has concerns about him not voting and getting modkilled (which seemed VERY genuine, since he actually asked the mods, unlike vonthin), unvotes and revotes similarly to vonthin but he semed like he thought he could turn the tides to OWB..
- During day2 he was mad that we were letting OWB slide while inactive but wasn't mentioning poofter as inactive till the end.. indirect interaction, do with it as you will.

Voting Patterns
D1: Pressure votes July and leaves it on for entire day.
D2: Starts with vote on nyx, doesn't think he can get traction and votes for OWB, votes poofter with no real reasoning but started to lose faith in an OWB vote... unvotes and goes for OWB again then finally leaves vote on poofter when he thought there was 1 minute left to secure a lynch.
[u]

Poofter -> Storr interactions
- immediately questions storr about early vote on July
- corrects Jonny by saying he is NOT sold on storr being town
- prods storr for his read on cakemanofdoom..
- displays hesitance to lynch storr based on "respect for his game" and scared that mafia would jump on the vote (Obzy and I had votes on him)
- nothing else significant until he defends himself against storr's questioning about July vote
- asks storr if he doesnt agree with him on Vanesco being killed because he was on the right track with jonny/cake
- notes that he has read storr as town for most of the game
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 06:09 GMT
#1210
On November 04 2013 14:59 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
fair enough on the Vonthin point. what are your thoughts on the Vonthin/owb pair being unlikely?


I agree with that. In fact, I would go so far as to say OWB and Vonthin are NOT a scum team 100%. However that doesn't help since we don't know which of them are scum yet. If we can rule out scum teams with poofter, that will help enormously, which is why i'm posting all these summaries of interactions.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 06:13 GMT
#1211
Also want to note: these summaries are probably very biased towards my reads and i might be unintentionally ignoring relevant pieces (i don't think I am, but I might be since I have preconceived notions), so use them with that little disclaimer. Basically, take them with a grain of salt unless you trust my skill and reads ^_^.

I am also letting Storr do E00s because: 1. I don't want him to continue tunneling on nyx. 2. I want to see if he comes up with what i come up with or if he leaves stuff out..
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
November 04 2013 06:37 GMT
#1212
@balla24 will have to do it tomorrow. to exhausted for now to even read posts
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 06:41 GMT
#1213
I want to correct a mistake I had in my Storr summary post:

At the point where Storr voted on poofter at his perceived last minute it was NOT hammering. I thought it was and was considering it as the most pro-town thing ever. Still is relatively pro-town as it prevents any mafia from switching off.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 06:42 GMT
#1214
On November 04 2013 15:37 StorrZerg wrote:
@balla24 will have to do it tomorrow. to exhausted for now to even read posts


That's fine. I'm gonna head to bed as well anyways.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
November 04 2013 09:00 GMT
#1215
I dont mind doing the interaction thingy about me myself but if you really want Storr to do it I'll pass.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
November 04 2013 09:08 GMT
#1216
Actually I wrote it up now, I can post after Storr to compare.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 15:51 GMT
#1217
Let's see it.
E00e
Profile Joined January 2011
88 Posts
November 04 2013 17:29 GMT
#1218
Poofter -> e00E
Asks Nyx why they voted for e00E instead of other lurkers like July,Odin.
Says they liked e00E at first because e00E was agreeing with them but understands why e00E is getting votes and thinks e00E sheeps a lot or deflects questions.
Votes e00E with the above post and asks e00E to provide logical reads and start helping town. It is the third e00E vote after Vanesco and Vonthin.
Agrees with e00E that the voting pattern on e00E is bad and that lynching them would be too easy which reads town. Also likes e00E's new posts especially the accusation on July.

e00E -> Poofter
Says Poofter's accusation was better than Vonthin's and Vanesco's, but does not agree that he is deflecting questions.
Next interaction is from the last day:Says poofter is better than no lynch, but would prefer onlywonderboy because owb and Vonthin are different alignments.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 17:38 GMT
#1219
So why did you decide on OWB over Vonthin? Also, why did you ultimately leave your vote on OWB when you said you would check back in 30 minutes... poofter was getting a lot of votes, and it was pretty clear that OWB vote was NOT going through, the other 2 OWB voters switched to poofter....
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 04 2013 17:59 GMT
#1220
Also, why did you not once raise suspicion about poofter? You of all people should have been the first to call him out on the following:

"Agrees with e00E that the voting pattern on e00E is bad and that lynching them would be too easy which reads town. Also likes e00E's new posts especially the accusation on July."

Poofter backed off of you because he was scared of how easy it was, then he goes on July... the easiest lynch we've had as town...
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