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On October 09 2013 18:41 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:38 y0su wrote:
and we see why unit clumping is something for skill to fix, not blizzard. such an amazing game to watch! This. People constantly arguing that unit clumping is making SC2 less skillful seem to miss the important fact that, with micro like maru's, you can actually do so much more with your units. Almost nobody is capable of spliting units that well, which is a testament to the high skill cap in this game.
And you need to be Terran - or Zerg to some degree. For Protoss such micro opportunities don't really exist -_-
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51427 Posts
On October 09 2013 18:42 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Gotta rebuild that mothership core Dear! Couple of timewarps at the third or even just a Nexus Cannon and he can probably hold that.
<---- Says the guy not in a gsl semi-final but still
Yeah think your right though for me the reason he lost was he stopped upgrades at 0-2armor and he didn't rebuild his mothership core for more defense.
He pretty much thought the game was one, lost a bad engagement due to Maru having good upgrades in the middle of the map, to then be on the back foot from there.
Fuck knows how he had 10 gates and hardly any army :S
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On October 09 2013 18:44 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:43 y0su wrote:On October 09 2013 18:42 Tobblish wrote:On October 09 2013 18:41 Doublemint wrote:On October 09 2013 18:40 Tobblish wrote:On October 09 2013 18:40 Incognoto wrote:On October 09 2013 18:40 Tobblish wrote:
In myyy heeeaaddd!!! Yeah holy shit Gom change your damn play list I've started to like it :< That's cuz your brain is already squishy now. You could say that the song have gotten stuck in my head  damn it that's what I was going to say! I think he's in your head
You're a true hero!
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On October 09 2013 18:43 Dark.Carnival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:42 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Gotta rebuild that mothership core Dear! Couple of timewarps at the third or even just a Nexus Cannon and he can probably hold that.
<---- Says the guy not in a gsl semi-final but still he had one, he rebuilt it after it died in the early game. he just didn't use it at all, probably forgot to hotkey it or something cuz he seemed to only remember he had it when Maru did the drop in his main
Ah I didn't notice, still not using it means he may as well not have it.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
On October 09 2013 18:44 Zanzabarr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:41 purgerinho wrote:On October 09 2013 18:28 Zanzabarr wrote:
How does Tasteless still have a job. His game knowledge has been bronze tier for the entirety of HOTS. The guy probably hasn't laddered in SC2 since 2011. In that game he kept referring to how far Terran was ahead and how unbelievable it was when toss won the game...... even though the terran lost tons of supply for buildings only, and toss had a 30 supply lead when moving out. When the final engage happened the supply were close to even and the composition / fight of the toss was much better, leading to the win. oh cmon! dear won a game that you can win in 1 out of 10 games.. maru fked up his defence and that is it, you can't call it unless you are psychic 1 out of 10 games? Because of the composition and supply of Dear vs Maru in that engage, I'd say Dear would win 75% of the time. Maru lost too many medivacs / units to hold the attack. If he would have sniped the nexus and tech that he did and got out with the army that did so, he would have won.
you should be praying for the lost and the lonely, not arguing with eachother.
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On October 09 2013 18:43 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:41 NicksonReyes wrote:On October 09 2013 18:38 SoFrOsTy wrote:
wow dear's build was so good, and it was thrown away because that micro. Protoss really need to learn to start flanking in those situations, especially if you are super zealot heavy. Maybe it isn't? He was about to go collosi tech when shit started to go down. If he only made the oracle and didn't make any phoenixes maybe he would've had a collosus or 2 to defend the drop and have most of his army guard his 3rd. Good point. Those Phoenixs really did not do much. Four of them too. It also meant a lot more Medivacs for Maru.
I think they prevent Maru from going for the 10 minute medivac poke, since he can't retreat without losing medivacs. Also prevents drops at around that time.
Does anyone know if it's standard for terran players to go 5 rax before 3CC vs phoenix play, or was it just Maru's choice on this map?
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On October 09 2013 18:41 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:38 y0su wrote:
and we see why unit clumping is something for skill to fix, not blizzard. such an amazing game to watch! This. People constantly arguing that unit clumping is making SC2 less skillful seem to miss the important fact that, with micro like maru's, you can actually do so much more with your units. Almost nobody is capable of spliting units that well, which is a testament to the high skill cap in this game.
with no automining and multiple buildings selection you can do so much more with your macro. See where it gets? Clumping is dumb.
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On October 09 2013 18:44 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:41 SlixSC wrote:On October 09 2013 18:38 y0su wrote:
and we see why unit clumping is something for skill to fix, not blizzard. such an amazing game to watch! This. People constantly arguing that unit clumping is making SC2 less skillful seem to miss the important fact that, with micro like maru's, you can actually do so much more with your units. Almost nobody is capable of spliting units that well, which is a testament to the high skill cap in this game. And you need to be Terran - or Zerg to some degree. For Protoss such micro opportunities don't really exist -_-
Not clumping up your HT's are a pretty good show of skill
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When TvP is played like this, it's so amazing to watch. I wish more players would attempt these styles instead of going straight for the deathball maxes. : S
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On October 09 2013 18:45 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:44 Doublemint wrote:On October 09 2013 18:41 SlixSC wrote:On October 09 2013 18:38 y0su wrote:
and we see why unit clumping is something for skill to fix, not blizzard. such an amazing game to watch! This. People constantly arguing that unit clumping is making SC2 less skillful seem to miss the important fact that, with micro like maru's, you can actually do so much more with your units. Almost nobody is capable of spliting units that well, which is a testament to the high skill cap in this game. And you need to be Terran - or Zerg to some degree. For Protoss such micro opportunities don't really exist -_- Not clumping up your HT's are a pretty good show of skill
Indeed. Or hitting EMPs like Maru in game 1 when they are all clumped.
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On October 09 2013 18:44 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:41 SlixSC wrote:On October 09 2013 18:38 y0su wrote:
and we see why unit clumping is something for skill to fix, not blizzard. such an amazing game to watch! This. People constantly arguing that unit clumping is making SC2 less skillful seem to miss the important fact that, with micro like maru's, you can actually do so much more with your units. Almost nobody is capable of spliting units that well, which is a testament to the high skill cap in this game. And you need to be Terran - or Zerg to some degree. For Protoss such micro opportunities don't really exist -_-
Good forcefields, good time warps, templar flanks, microing colossus.. yes I think there is a lot of opportunities but extremley hard to kill chargelot archon usually does the job great by themselves.. so most protoss don't even bother
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On October 09 2013 18:41 dreamseller wrote:
i caught myself singing "pray for the lost and the lonely" to myself in the supermarket today. anger flashed into mirth as I thought of the BibleThump spam
haha. I recently dreamt of that song. it's so camp I can't hate it too much, interestingly, the one track in the GSL playlist I haven't grown completely sick of.
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On October 09 2013 18:44 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:41 SlixSC wrote:On October 09 2013 18:38 y0su wrote:
and we see why unit clumping is something for skill to fix, not blizzard. such an amazing game to watch! This. People constantly arguing that unit clumping is making SC2 less skillful seem to miss the important fact that, with micro like maru's, you can actually do so much more with your units. Almost nobody is capable of spliting units that well, which is a testament to the high skill cap in this game. And you need to be Terran - or Zerg to some degree. For Protoss such micro opportunities don't really exist -_-
Hmm, not comparably, no. :-/
I'd like to be able to manually control and direct charge in these small scale engagements. Than have to rely on Colossi.
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That song was the first I grew completely sick of this season.
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On October 09 2013 18:38 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:35 KelsierSC wrote:On October 09 2013 18:33 Heartland wrote:
Wow, this is a negative LR thread... Yeh everyone here has spent multiple seasons in GM and take it as a personal assault on their mother when Tasteless doesn't perfectly predict the outcome of a game. It is incredible that people prefer to complain about a caster on a forum rather than watching a fantastic cast and just having some fun in the LR I'm doing both though  and personally I'm not just blaming tasteless, Artosis was pretty dry in game 1 too. They seem more warmed up now.
It wasn't that he didn't "perfectly predict the outcome of a game", rather he was calling it the exact opposite repeatedly for like 5 minutes.... like he doesn't understand the game...... like because he hasn't even played the game for years.... despite the fact that it is his job...... all his game time goes into playing old NES / SNES games on emulators, hearthstone and world of tanks. There is a reason why for the last bunch of major SC2 events in Europe and such they only get Artosis to come cast.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On October 09 2013 18:46 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:44 Doublemint wrote:On October 09 2013 18:41 SlixSC wrote:On October 09 2013 18:38 y0su wrote:
and we see why unit clumping is something for skill to fix, not blizzard. such an amazing game to watch! This. People constantly arguing that unit clumping is making SC2 less skillful seem to miss the important fact that, with micro like maru's, you can actually do so much more with your units. Almost nobody is capable of spliting units that well, which is a testament to the high skill cap in this game. And you need to be Terran - or Zerg to some degree. For Protoss such micro opportunities don't really exist -_- Hmm, not comparably, no. :-/ I'd like to be able to manually control and direct charge in these small scale engagements. Than have to rely on Colossi.
You can turn off charge and do that.
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On October 09 2013 18:44 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:44 Die4Ever wrote:On October 09 2013 18:43 y0su wrote:On October 09 2013 18:42 Tobblish wrote:On October 09 2013 18:41 Doublemint wrote:On October 09 2013 18:40 Tobblish wrote:On October 09 2013 18:40 Incognoto wrote:On October 09 2013 18:40 Tobblish wrote:
In myyy heeeaaddd!!! Yeah holy shit Gom change your damn play list I've started to like it :< That's cuz your brain is already squishy now. You could say that the song have gotten stuck in my head damn it that's what I was going to say! I think he's in your head You're a true hero!
Not a bad song by any means but you hear it every time there's a break. :p
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Wow, that GSTL ad was cool
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On October 09 2013 18:45 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:41 SlixSC wrote:On October 09 2013 18:38 y0su wrote:
and we see why unit clumping is something for skill to fix, not blizzard. such an amazing game to watch! This. People constantly arguing that unit clumping is making SC2 less skillful seem to miss the important fact that, with micro like maru's, you can actually do so much more with your units. Almost nobody is capable of spliting units that well, which is a testament to the high skill cap in this game. with no automining and multiple buildings selection you can do so much more with your macro. See where it gets? Clumping is dumb.
That's not an argument against unit clumping though? Macro is easier in SC2 than in BW, no doubt. But what doesn't follow from that is that unit clumping is dumb. I don't see the connection there.
Maru just demonstrated that you can overcome unit clumping with alot of skill and insane micro... so what does the macro aspect have to do with that particular thing?
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On October 09 2013 18:41 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:38 y0su wrote:
and we see why unit clumping is something for skill to fix, not blizzard. such an amazing game to watch! This. People constantly arguing that unit clumping is making SC2 less skillful seem to miss the important fact that, with micro like maru's, you can actually do so much more with your units. Almost nobody is capable of spliting units that well, which is a testament to the high skill cap in this game.
it's only for people who can't understand sc2 mechanics to be honest.
you have occasions that you want the army to clump and not clump.
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