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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you don't really understand my argument that people should not be considered town at this point based on their actions, as scum can also genuinely scumhunt? I dont understand how you can get a townread at all on anyone if you hold this opinion | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On September 27 2013 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i think it's not impossible to have town reads. I think it's impossible to have a town read on you at this point. I think VE is town aswell, i also think Oats is town. On October 01 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you don't really understand my argument that people should not be considered town at this point based on their actions, as scum can also genuinely scumhunt? ##Unvote ##Vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43179 Posts
I have explained this already, wtf is wrong with you Palmar? You are intentionally twisting my words around. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43179 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43179 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43179 Posts
That's basically my point regarding Oats. There is a difference in his town and scum play. It has nothing to do with if he is making sense or not. He basically is an asshole as town. He makes a lot more sense as scum and he is more careful. That does not apply to you, or me, or BH for example. What you have said so far does not make you town. Whatever you do on D1, even if you lynch scum, does not make you town. You know it and yamato should know it too. That's what's wrong in his read on you. Is it so hard to understand? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: My townreads on people are not based on their actions (=actions towards other players in general, scumreads and shit), but based on their behavior in general. Oats and VE behave differently as scum than they do as town, whatever they say. It has nothing to do what they say, it has to do how they say things and why. I have explained this already, wtf is wrong with you Palmar? You are intentionally twisting my words around. I did not do anything to your words. I literally quoted your posts straight up. The first one says that "I think it's impossible to have a town read on you" - Which I can only take to mean that this phenomenon applies only to me specifically. The second one says: "people should not be considered town at this point based on their actions" - Which I'm taking to mean that no one should be considered town at that point. I even addressed the first point in this post here: On October 01 2013 22:27 Palmar wrote: I think the only reason people DON'T have townreads on me is that they're afraid this is somehow some amazing scumPalmar game. If I was anyone else people would be lining up to call me a townie. You're changing your arguments depending on how they fit your conclusion. That means your conclusion is predetermined and thus you're scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43179 Posts
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cakepie
985 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43179 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:07 Oatsmaster wrote: So rayn, palmar's scum and town meta are the same? No they are not. It's the fact that in this game scum can also genuinely scumhunt. He is scumhunting to some extent, but not up to his normal town play. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Read my last post and think again what you are saying. I have no idea what you're saying. Let me try to wrap my head around it. You're saying that your read on Oats/VE is legit because it's a meta read. You're saying yamato's read on me is not legit because it's based on me making sense. Even if we ignore how insane the above is (especially now that yamato flipped town) it's also factually incorrect. Yamato never explained what his read on me was based on as far as I remember, I don't recall him saying I'm town because I make sense. It was literally this: On September 27 2013 13:46 yamato77 wrote: I think Palmar is town. at work BTW so no more posting So how do you know he didn't just.. you know actually read the thread and figure the right answer out? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43179 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:10 Palmar wrote: I have no idea what you're saying. Let me try to wrap my head around it. You're saying that your read on Oats/VE is legit because it's a meta read. You're saying yamato's read on me is not legit because it's based on me making sense. Even if we ignore how insane the above is (especially now that yamato flipped town) it's also factually incorrect. Yamato never explained what his read on me was based on as far as I remember, I don't recall him saying I'm town because I make sense. It was literally this: So how do you know he didn't just.. you know actually read the thread and figure the right answer out? I never assumed anything about why yamato called you town. That's why i said the read on you was surreal. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43179 Posts
Some players however (as i pointed out, for example you, me and BH) can probably "fade out" those differences because as there are multiple scumteams, they can legitmately scumhunt. That's why it's hard to have a townread on people like us. It's basically impossible (barring some circumstances - which apply to for example WoS). That's what i am saying and i don't understand why do i have to explain that to a bright guy like you for fucking 10 times. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: No they are not. It's the fact that in this game scum can also genuinely scumhunt. He is scumhunting to some extent, but not up to his normal town play. But you called me and VE town because we are playing to our town meta. I dont get all this nonsense about Palmar being totally townie but not town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43179 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i am saying is that there are some players whose scum/town play have quite a big differences. One of them is Oats, another one is VE. I don't think those differences would disappear even in a game where there are 2 scumteams. Some players however (as i pointed out, for example you, me and BH) can probably "fade out" those differences because as there are multiple scumteams, they can legitmately scumhunt. That's why it's hard to have a townread on people like us. It's basically impossible (barring some circumstances - which apply to for example WoS). That's what i am saying and i don't understand why do i have to explain that to a bright guy like you for fucking 10 times. Who knows, maybe yamato can spot the difference between my town game and my scum game. Just because you're bad and can't, doesn't mean everyone else is. I don't think Oats is massively different as scum and town. I usually have a fairly difficult time figuring out his alignment. You seem to think otherwise. Does this make every read I give on Oats ever invalid? You're basically trying to play the fear card on me. It's super annoying when people call me scum, not because I'm doing anything scum would do or playing scummy in any way, but just because they're afraid I might be scum doing town things and looking like town. How the hell do you know yamato wasn't using exactly the same meta reasoning you're using on Oats, or I used on VE to figure out my alignment. I can't remember, BH also figured out my alignment, do you think his townread on me was bogus too? Clearly by your standards there's literally nothing I can do to make me appear town to you, and apparently you're fine with tunneling that point of view. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43179 Posts
Could you now give an answer to why Vayne is not town and why Pandain is? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
I haven't read VA thoroughly yet, without checking, I think he was in my "not read yet" list. Then he basically started talking some really dumb stuff (like that trap on Oats). I see no reason to give him a townread. I liked Pandain's day 1 case, I liked his case on FT too, and to be honest his points against VA contribute to my thinking that you're wrong on those two. Do you disagree? | ||
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