These vote counts are the best thing ever.

I don't like how the shiaopi wagon has just defused without anyone ever actually defending him. Wos and co have given legitimate reasons why they think ft is more likely to flip scum than shiaopi, so that's okay. Although I really don't like koshi's complete indifference to which one of the two gets lynched.
What I don't see is any evidence that the people voting for vayne have actually put any reasoning into why he's a better lynch than shiaopi. Or even than FT, in some cases.

ChairmanRay - you have explained why you don't want to lynch tofu, but why did you vote vayne instead of shiaopi? Why is vayne more likely to flip scum than shiaopi is?
Pandain - why are you voting VA over tofu? You said earlier you thought tofu was scum and have reasons for it.
Tofu - did you do that filter diving like you said you would? Why'd you unvote shiaopi and then vote vayne?

Right now I'd rather lynch tofu than vayne, and will vote accordingly if necessary. The tofu case from wos is just more persuasive to me than the mini cases on vayne from pandain and ray. That said, shiaopi is my preferred lynch over either of those, and I don't understand why or how this push went away, so I'm keeping my vote there for now.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

October 01 2013 15:07 GMT

#1963

You guys should stop, imo. Neither of you seems to be getting anywhere.

Instead, I propose we chat about some of the following:

solstice
Pandain's trolly "I'm mafia too, Palmar!" posts
Kittens in air balloons

Specifically:

Where dat dude is? What are his current thoughts on FT, he left off with "nothing struck me as odd" and looking into it. This was an oddly difficult thread to read through and catch up on, so I can understand his somewhat difficulty in getting up to speed, but...I respect solstice as a player and I know I was sitting around yesterday mad at myself because I was trying to catch up, hadn't, and needed to be active and posting. Solstice isn't really exhibiting that.
Pandain has some posts around 4:11 and 4:26 TL time on D1. Roughly 10 hours later, + Show Spoiler +
On September 27 2013 14:08 Pandain wrote:
I'm member of Derelict Row Ballers.

Palmar, how should we proceede?
On September 27 2013 14:09 Pandain wrote:
I didn't tell my team but I figure they'll be alright with it.

On September 27 2013 14:11 Pandain wrote:
I agree we should lynch Yamato. Sufficiently dumb and loud. Townie's will not expect we're actually allied. Fake this later and say we're joking?

I'll push him later in thread.
On September 27 2013 14:15 Pandain wrote:
We should coordinate different kills and plans for night actions.

, 9 hours after Palmar claims to be scum. I don't love that in the process of catching up, or after catching up, the thing pandain really wants to do is troll around with that claim. It struck me as scummy for him to pick that as the thing to do, and then dip out again for a bit without commenting on anything legitimate (Bar saying to kill grack D1 without reasoning).
Sounds cute

rayn, any thoughts? Palmar, I guess you too. Especially concerning the Pandain bit.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

October 01 2013 15:08 GMT

#1964

The above was to rayn/palmar, but people done wrote stuff in the meantime

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

October 01 2013 15:09 GMT

#1965

actually naah not lynching VE this cycle. Had a scummy vibe from him and felt that it was a bit like aperture but then I looked at the filters in both games, nope

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

October 01 2013 15:11 GMT

#1966

Shiao, care to actually spell that out? What led to vibe and what you got from looking around?

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

October 01 2013 15:14 GMT

#1967

Well at least that shitty CR case showed me that WoS is town and I thank you for that, was on the fence about him. Anyone that actually thought that CR post was good when it was full of gaping holes is scum. there isn't even an option for being an idiot.

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

October 01 2013 15:15 GMT

#1968

Compare VE's play during day1 and with his play so far during day2. The difference is stunningly weird. It felt a bit like in aperture where he first played for town then saw that we were losing horribly and decided to just go ahead and win with scum.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

October 01 2013 15:16 GMT

#1969

I think its time to get rid of pandain, he's better then that.
##unvote
|##vote: pandain

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

October 01 2013 15:18 GMT

#1970

ebwop: I mean VE has a 10page filter so far and 9 of them are from Day1/Night1. Of course he might be busy but if you look at the entire mindset behind it. On day1 VE spews out a ton of posts, giving opinions, sharing reads, switching votes. Day 2 so far the most productive was this:

On October 01 2013 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Says this. Doesn't do this.

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##Vote: FT

---

After noticing I went to check aperture to see if the discrepancy was that high as well. But in Aperture it is actually way more even. He just faded out the longer the game got instead of kind of disappearing, so I am currently just booking it as scheduling conflicts

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

October 01 2013 15:21 GMT

#1971

Yes. VE's play is different from day 1. I expected him to be a contributing factor in the game at this point and he isn't. It's annoying But he did have a good start so I'm okay with giving him another day for catching up and doing something useful. His response to my jab for not delivering seemed surprisingly hostile:

On October 01 2013 09:26 Palmar wrote:

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Neither has this.

Tbh, both of the replacements are being useless. Good vigi shots.

On October 01 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, so do you disagree with my point though? That's what I got after rereading man, it's not much but then, not much is fucking happening is it Palmar?

So yeah, watch out for it, I know I even mentioned it during the night that we needed to keep an eye on VE if he doesn't take any kind of a leadership role in town, but for now I think he gets a pass based on too many other options for the lynch.

Grackaroni

United States9846 Posts

October 01 2013 15:25 GMT

#1972

Rayn why are you less aggressive this game?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

October 01 2013 15:27 GMT

#1973

Shiao why choose Aperture 3 out of all VE's games?

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

October 01 2013 15:29 GMT

#1974

On October 02 2013 00:27 austinmcc wrote:
Shiao why choose Aperture 3 out of all VE's games?

Last game I played with him, so the impression I had is still fresh in my mind. I usually work that way if I go along with meta/gutreads, since anything older probably does not work anymore or feels off for being too long ago

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

October 01 2013 15:29 GMT

#1975

On October 02 2013 00:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn why are you less aggressive this game?

Because he's scum

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

October 01 2013 15:30 GMT

#1976

ShiaoPi are you going to do something useful this game or just going to tunnel another townie?

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

October 01 2013 15:30 GMT

#1977

ebwop: also because he was not town, but that is something I took as a given

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

October 01 2013 15:30 GMT

#1978

On October 02 2013 00:30 Koshi wrote:
ShiaoPi are you going to do something useful this game or just going to tunnel another townie?

tell me who I am currently tunneling lol

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

October 01 2013 15:30 GMT

#1979

On October 02 2013 00:30 ShiaoPi wrote:

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tell me who I am currently tunneling lol

Your townread VE.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

October 01 2013 15:32 GMT

#1980

He wasn't town, but he was also a linked 3P survivor who resurrected.

His role so much unlike anything that appears in this game that I don't think you can draw any conclusions between there and here. He can't sit back and win by doing nothing as either alignment here, he doesn't resurrect, he doesn't have wave in a mason chat, etc. etc. etc.