Reads time:

Townies: THE KOSHI, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, Chairman Ray, WaveofShadow, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
*Yes i know my read on WoS has been fucked up and contradicting, it's because i was sick on Sunday -> now. Deal with it.*

Could go either way: Mr. Cheesecake, strongandbig, austinmcc, Pandain, S0lstice.

Scum:
Palmar - Is not playing like he does as town. Grackaroni pointed it out already, so did SnB. His cases are really bad, and apparently he can't understand why i brought up his stance on yamato. Anyways, he's not gonna get lynched today, so there is no need to explain it further.
hiro protagonist - Hasn't done anything. Really good lynch.
ShiaoPi - Same
FirmTofu - Same + weird contradictions in his behavior. Best lynch.

##Vote: FirmTofu

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

October 01 2013 12:32 GMT

#1928

lol this guy

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

October 01 2013 12:33 GMT

#1929

So which of the reads you do not agree with and why?

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

October 01 2013 12:35 GMT

#1930

None, you almost directly copied everything I said but then called me scum.

VA shouldn't be in the town category, Pandain should, but that's about it, I think. And of course you should be in the scum category and I shouldn't be.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

October 01 2013 12:36 GMT

#1931

Also, you have YET to explain where I took any kind of "stance on yamato".

Please do, before you continue bringing this fabrication up.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

October 01 2013 12:36 GMT

#1932

What makes Vayne non-town and Pandain town?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

October 01 2013 12:38 GMT

#1933

On October 01 2013 21:36 Palmar wrote:
Also, you have YET to explain where I took any kind of "stance on yamato".

Please do, before you continue bringing this fabrication up.

You didn't call yamato out for his townread on you. I already have explained why there was no good reasons for yamato to have a townread on you at that time. Instead you went into an argument with me about it. What am i supposed to take from it? That you have a scumread on him but you are arguing with me because i have a scumread on him? That's bullshit Palmar.

Then, after that, you sheep VE into a vote on yamato, for no apparent reason.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

October 01 2013 13:12 GMT

#1934

On October 01 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Show nested quote +

This game isn't binary. No one, not even the worst scumplayer in history, gives himself away in every sentence or every read he makes throughout the game. Some things scum do are not scummy, and some things townies do are.

At this point in game I considered myself to have done enough to warrant people calling me town. I had no problem with yamato's townread, in fact, while I haven't gone back to check the timing, I think he wasn't the only person giving me a townread.

You weren't supposed to take anything away from it. I wasn't trying to investigate yamato at the time, I was digging into YOU. I was simply using a point we disagreed on as an attempt to figure out how you are thinking this game. I went into an argument with you not because I disagreed yamato was likely scum at the time, but because I wanted to figure out if your reasoning was solid enough.

I did agree that yamato was scummy, but not for the same reasons.

When FT flips, there'll be a lot of people who agreed he was scummy, even if I'm right and he's scum, there's bound to be some scum on his wagon. The trick will be to figure out whose reasoning was solid and honest, and who just kinda bandwagoned the lynch in a malicious way.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

October 01 2013 13:23 GMT

#1935

I get that you were trying to figure out my alignment. What i don't get is that in a game with 2 scumteams, how can you accept that yamato has a townread on you at that point. Nothing you did on D1, nothing you have done so far should give people a town read on you. That's a fact. If you are scum you can still genuinely scumhunt and be right, find people from different scumteam that you are in, and look good. That's what i have been trying to say all game. Everyone who do not understand this is either very dumb or scum who are trying to buy your trust by giving a town read on you.

My concern is that you, of all the people Palmar, don't understand this simple fact. In addition to that, you havn't been actively trying to find mafia. In fact, you have devoted this game into calling people bad. That's what you usually do in games, but that's so over the top in this game. You are not trying to actively find scum. You might be right on something, but you are off in a lot of things, considering what your town play usually looks like. You are afraid of getting shot. Given that you have a vest if you are town, you should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are a Police guy, the other dude can protect you, and you are confirmed. You should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are town.

TLDR; You are not playing up to your standards, in a game where you can basically guarantee your survival during the nights by playing really pro-town. This would be the best game to play so. You are not doing it, therefore you are scum.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

October 01 2013 13:24 GMT

#1936

On October 01 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

TLDR; You are not playing up to your standards, in a game where you can basically guarantee your survival during the nights by playing really pro-town. This would be the best game to play so. You are not doing it, therefore you are scum.

I did actually use this argument before. I was wrong.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

October 01 2013 13:27 GMT

#1937

On October 01 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I get that you were trying to figure out my alignment. What i don't get is that in a game with 2 scumteams, how can you accept that yamato has a townread on you at that point. Nothing you did on D1, nothing you have done so far should give people a town read on you.

This is where we disagree, I think the only reason people DON'T have townreads on me is that they're afraid this is somehow some amazing scumPalmar game, or of course because I'm usually controversial so a pretty easy target to tunnel as long as I'm occupied with lynching someone else. If I was anyone else people would be lining up to call me a townie. There's no reason to call out yamato for having a townread on me (and as proven by his flip, it was a genuine read, nothing wrong with it).

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

October 01 2013 13:28 GMT

#1938

And no, I never, ever, ever play not to die. I think I've done it once and it ended in disaster.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

October 01 2013 13:31 GMT

#1939

you're literally attacking me for being right about the thing you're attacking me for.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

October 01 2013 13:36 GMT

#1940

So you don't really understand my argument that people should not be considered town at this point based on their actions, as scum can also genuinely scumhunt?