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On September 23 2013 20:23 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm going to read marv's filter. If mocsta and rayn are around can you do the same? I feel that marv has been VERY apathetic this game and hasn't really played a townie game.
I wouldn't want to lynch an asset like marv tomorrow. But on day three maybe. I think marv could be scum.
wtf he's serious about this
omg this is too funny
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On September 23 2013 21:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is Sentinel supposed to be good? I don't remember playing with him unless it was the games i was scum and had no time to play.
Sentinel is "ok".
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On September 23 2013 21:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is Sentinel supposed to be good? I don't remember playing with him unless it was the games i was scum and had no time to play.
idk
he's playing for the mafia team this game, though
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This Marv push from DP is like, the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
DP almost HAS to be scum hamming it up. He could not be this butthurt as town, no way.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one.
But as it's about me, I thought I was pretty biased.
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RE: Sentinel
His read on Ray goes from this:
On September 23 2013 07:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 07:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 06:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf. 5* In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads And yet you looked town! I can't say that here. That's like job #1, right? Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me. That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston Lol fuck Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners? Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right? And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment. If you seriously think I am mafia, you need to explain yourself better than you have so far. What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more. I think if you read his posts, he has a clear understanding of what's happening in the game. I just read his entire filter and he looks exactly like a guy who's playing his second (second? can't be more than fourth since he was previously in a newbie, someone confirm this) game. I don't see what would make him scummy.
To this, 2 hours later:
On September 23 2013 09:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
After reviewing Chairman's filter, I have to agree that something is up here. Maybe a little south of neutral in my eyes. Might it be a product of coaching in the newbie game and nothing in this one?
To this, yet one more hour later:
On September 23 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm reading Ray's filter from newbie, he seems a lot more restricted here than there which is weird. Unless coaches were really on meth (holy shit I was coaching? nobody sent me any questions, I forgot all about it), I can't really say why he would regress in his ability to post substance.
Better than yamato I guess.
##Vote: Chairman Ray
With basically nothing in between except filler posts.
Like I said, he is mafia.
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Yeah better to let the biggies be alive. Fact is this. Scum will have 9 KP in the next 3 nights because I don't believe for a second that we will lynch 2/2 scummers next nights. So, on Day 4 we will be left with silly people like this Koshi guy and we will be very sad if we lynched a marv guy on day 2 that was a townie.
Not saying marv is a townie.
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Like, the only thing i find good in Sentinel's filter is his vote on Umasi. I had the same thoughts he had when Umasi suddenly let go of his pressure on LoneMeow. But when Umasi answers him (and me) he just goes "whatever, let's lynch yamato".
And yeah, his Chairman Ray stuff is weird. Definitely a good lynch.
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God I am sick of yamato. He is constantly a dick to me over the course of several games and voice mafia. Seriously I am just about done playing at this point.
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On September 23 2013 21:43 yamato77 wrote:
This Marv push from DP is like, the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
DP almost HAS to be scum hamming it up. He could not be this butthurt as town, no way.
Hey! Be more nice to my only other townread please.
Thank you!
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On September 23 2013 21:49 DarthPunk wrote:
God I am sick of yamato. He is constantly a dick to me over the course of several games and voice mafia. Seriously I am just about done playing at this point.
You should probably filter yourself before you complain about what yamato has said about you here, which is 10x as mild as some of the things that you said.
And also, Sentinel has been added to the shitlist. It's not so much that he changed his mind, but the manner is just awful. The same content goes from "nothing looks scummy" to "he is the best chance to flip mafia today" with nothing in between. There's nothing to indicate why the massive change.
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On September 23 2013 21:49 DarthPunk wrote:
God I am sick of yamato. He is constantly a dick to me over the course of several games and voice mafia. Seriously I am just about done playing at this point.
You are being a dick to everyone you talk to in the game.
Do not talk to me about my mannerisms. I tried being nice to you.
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On September 23 2013 19:41 FirmTofu wrote:Now for a solid scum read! I kinda feel bad doing this because this is one of the only guys defending me, but Zaragon has been playing pretty scummy this game. The key to his play is apathy. If anyone here played in Sicilian, think of how Yamato played that game as scum. His posting was very constructed and formulaic. His first post reeked of how much he didn't give a flying fuck about finding scum. When I read Zaragon's filter, I get the same impression. Let's have a look, shall we? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=ZaragonShow nested quote +On September 21 2013 14:31 Zaragon wrote:
Not much to go on without wild speculation on people's meta connections and personalities.
From posting interval as it relates to content, I like Geript less. He was pushing a little too hard too fast for either pure pressure or getting anything out of his read if he had one, while still posting at methodical, relatively slow intervals.
He did get to DP to be able to read him very early but it feels mostly like pushing buttons and corresponding reactions to me. Barring any history of reckless responses as scum on DP's part for context, DP feels most likely town. Geript could possibly be scum with one overplayed line DP picked up on, then feeling like he was forced to keep going somewhat like he was. However, it's still more likely to be town on town to me so far. His first post is a commentary on DP vs geript. He backs away from choosing a side, which is the first apathetic tell. His overall conclusion is that both players are town. He makes sure to sound willing to change his mind, as though he doesn't want to commit to this position in the event that the voting dynamic changes. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 00:25 Zaragon wrote:On September 21 2013 23:48 Mocsta wrote:On September 21 2013 23:31 Zaragon wrote:
Does anyone who has played with him before get any tell about whether his pattern seems more or less deliberate than his usual town? I had this feeling early and it's lingering I have a much stronger town read on DP >> VE. Originally, I thought VE looked really good for pointing out the Geript "manipulation" stuff. But having read the game I dont think the point is that valid. -> its a 50/50 call to me whether it was scum manipulation or town arrogance. Now, VE is back to null for me.
I dont get why me pointing out pandain is scummy. I get the point about instructing him to "post".. BUT.. would i not just do this in the QT? seriously, as scum, i dont think there is town cred to be gained by avoiding the current conversation (Geript/DP) to bring that to the fore. My reasoning went more like this: from your position (as town) Pandain could be scum or town. If you had an itch about him based on his "..." and lack of posting, and if you had given it more time, he, as scum, would have had less opportunity to give an explanation or excuse. He might even have posted hours later and skipped past that point for his first post, and then would have read significantly more scummy, which you gave him an opportunity to avoid. Meaning that then you could be scum and him town. I'm not saying it makes me particularly suspicious of you now, especially given Pandain's reaction (or lack thereof) so far. Makes it understandable for you to call him out, since it tells me something about his play regardless of alignment. About VE, I think if geript and DP are both town (which isn't at all a given) his play makes sense as scum, otherwise not, all I have on him besides that is the feeling about his posting I described earlier. If people who have played with him before are comfortable with his posting pattern and emotional level, that means it's probably nothing. See bold. He uses the parentheses to provide himself an out in the event that either DP or geript was to be lynched on Day 1. The parenthetical aside isn't something town would do. Town is more likely to believe their actions even to the point of fault. Only scum uses fallback options to justify their actions. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game. I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is. Oh and from earlier: On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Do you have thoughts about that post or no? It says almost nothing. You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game. So you think only scum posts like that? On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why? Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons. Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out. I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum? It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance. Again, it's the same fallback option used in a different context. Zaragon says me and DP both aren't scum, but still uses the fallback to urge the discussion on. He clearly wants us to continue arguing here, as if he knows it will be non-conducive to a proper town atmosphere and is deliberately manipulating us into his hands.
This is fine and all, but you're missing a few things.
First, it's my first game. I was very uncomfortable, at the start especially, about making assertive statements. Attribute that to scum if you like, but it's wrong.
Second, I didn't see a problem with discussion continuing during a relative lull in the game.
Third, I could have very easily went with yamato77's read on Chairman Ray after I had just moved yamato77 solidly to town list and there was a push for Chairman Ray just before I went to bed. I wasn't comfortable with Ray, and went with my most solid scum read from early on, VE, who few people backing me on until new suspicions much later.
Does that really scream scum to you?
You're off my town list now. You seem to have read me as an easy target, but your reasoning is weak. Take away some of my fluffy fresh town mistakes and you can see I've been playing town, and I don't see how I would be a good target to go after if you're town, more if you're scum looking for something to bring to the table when you're on the chopping block.
I'll be back later to look at what the Chairman Ray votes meant and FT slipping off my town list
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On September 23 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 21:49 DarthPunk wrote:
God I am sick of yamato. He is constantly a dick to me over the course of several games and voice mafia. Seriously I am just about done playing at this point. You should probably filter yourself before you complain about what yamato has said about you here, which is 10x as mild as some of the things that you said. And also, Sentinel has been added to the shitlist. It's not so much that he changed his mind, but the manner is just awful. The same content goes from "nothing looks scummy" to "he is the best chance to flip mafia today" with nothing in between. There's nothing to indicate why the massive change.
I don;t mind it in one or two games but it has been every single game. Like. I say rude shit, but at the start of a new game it is a clean canvass. Yamato has just been dick mode for ever.
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yamato's not being a dick, and if you genuinely think what he's doing now is crossing some line, then yes, you should probably stop playing mafia, because he's not been unfair or overly harsh.
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On September 23 2013 21:56 marvellosity wrote:
yamato's not being a dick, and if you genuinely think what he's doing now is crossing some line, then yes, you should probably stop playing mafia, because he's not been unfair or overly harsh.
Yeah. I probably should. It's just a build up of yamato going at me every game of forum and voice mafia I have played in for like 6 months
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I'm going to ask for a replacement. Im done with mafia. GL town.
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Ok just a quick recap because I wasn't around and it is somewhat important if you want to look at the votes.
So everybody thought there were still 3.5h before the lynch, but then out of the blue the host said that we only had 0.5h left and then 0.5h later he closed the votes.
That's it right?
yes/no is enough.
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On September 23 2013 21:59 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm going to ask for a replacement. Im done with mafia. GL town.
Why? It's part of the game imho. Just become a lurker and find scummers in secret!
Pretty sure we are also out of replacements. Onegu not being replaced and all.
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On September 23 2013 21:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 21:56 marvellosity wrote:
yamato's not being a dick, and if you genuinely think what he's doing now is crossing some line, then yes, you should probably stop playing mafia, because he's not been unfair or overly harsh. Yeah. I probably should. It's just a build up of yamato going at me every game of forum and voice mafia I have played in for like 6 months
I did not call you mafia in Les Mis.
You WERE mafia in Catch 22
I don't even remember other forum games I've played with you in that time frame.
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