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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 23 2013 11:26 GMT
#2101
On September 23 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 20:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:11 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:10 marvellosity wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote:
I really cannot be bothered to comment on all the people who have claimed vigi and who are claiming to use their shot on x and y.

Pretty much what will be will be.


Really? you are just going to sit back and let geript vig me? I would expect you to point out how dumb that would be. But you don't care?


Don't be so dull, DP. Christ.


What is dull about it? I believe he is a Vig. I believe I am getting shot incredibly stupidly, I obviously can't do anything to get geript out of his moronic tunnel, So I need other people to do it for me.

I am legitimately concerned about getting shot. And I don't know why you wouldn't be concerned about me getting shot.


If someone says they're going to bathe in shit, then me telling them it's a bad idea probably isn't going to stop them bathing in shit, because it should be obvious enough already.


Sigh. People listen to you marv. You are usually very good at pointing out that people are about to bathe in shit and then convincing them that bathing in shit is a bad idea and should be avoided.

Earlier when I spoke to you you said you didn't want to talk about it because it wasn't relevant at that time.

Well it is relevant now and you still don't want to talk about it. In fact you seem to be ok with it happening. Doesn't make sense.

DP, look at what geript did in Aperture. "I'm a motherfucking town vote rigger! Therefore i'll draw every single vote on me on D1 by playing stupid and i'll execute BH (who was town) just because".

In case geript is town and a vigilante you are not helping yourself by telling him how retarded he is, because by doing that he will 100% shoot you no matter how wise/unwise that is.

Do something else instead. I have not seen much scum reads/analysis from you this game, and i honestly think that's a bit worrying. You did enter shitfests with geript/FT, then called them both scum and voted for FT. Who else do you think is scum?


Yeah. I think marv could be scum. I'll post a thorough case on him by deadline. It is hard to get marv lynched so it will be a lot of work.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 23 2013 11:27 GMT
#2102
On September 23 2013 20:26 geript wrote:
Hey, I had good reasons to execute BH. They were wrong tho

Then they were not good reasons. Christ, when you vig me I hope to god you don't say you had good reasons for it.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 11:28 GMT
#2103
I do miss the traditional DP-tunnel.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 23 2013 11:29 GMT
#2104
On September 23 2013 20:28 marvellosity wrote:
I do miss the traditional DP-tunnel.


Yeah, this is not even close to that cutie.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 11:29 GMT
#2105
On September 23 2013 20:26 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:11 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:10 marvellosity wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote:
I really cannot be bothered to comment on all the people who have claimed vigi and who are claiming to use their shot on x and y.

Pretty much what will be will be.


Really? you are just going to sit back and let geript vig me? I would expect you to point out how dumb that would be. But you don't care?


Don't be so dull, DP. Christ.


What is dull about it? I believe he is a Vig. I believe I am getting shot incredibly stupidly, I obviously can't do anything to get geript out of his moronic tunnel, So I need other people to do it for me.

I am legitimately concerned about getting shot. And I don't know why you wouldn't be concerned about me getting shot.


If someone says they're going to bathe in shit, then me telling them it's a bad idea probably isn't going to stop them bathing in shit, because it should be obvious enough already.


Sigh. People listen to you marv. You are usually very good at pointing out that people are about to bathe in shit and then convincing them that bathing in shit is a bad idea and should be avoided.

Earlier when I spoke to you you said you didn't want to talk about it because it wasn't relevant at that time.

Well it is relevant now and you still don't want to talk about it. In fact you seem to be ok with it happening. Doesn't make sense.

DP, look at what geript did in Aperture. "I'm a motherfucking town vote rigger! Therefore i'll draw every single vote on me on D1 by playing stupid and i'll execute BH (who was town) just because".

In case geript is town and a vigilante you are not helping yourself by telling him how retarded he is, because by doing that he will 100% shoot you no matter how wise/unwise that is.

Do something else instead. I have not seen much scum reads/analysis from you this game, and i honestly think that's a bit worrying. You did enter shitfests with geript/FT, then called them both scum and voted for FT. Who else do you think is scum?


Yeah. I think marv could be scum. I'll post a thorough case on him by deadline. It is hard to get marv lynched so it will be a lot of work.


Seems you've already made your mind up.

From "marv could maybe be scum" to "I will post a thorough case" without any legwork in between.

Interesting, no?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 23 2013 11:30 GMT
#2106
On September 23 2013 20:26 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:11 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:10 marvellosity wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote:
I really cannot be bothered to comment on all the people who have claimed vigi and who are claiming to use their shot on x and y.

Pretty much what will be will be.


Really? you are just going to sit back and let geript vig me? I would expect you to point out how dumb that would be. But you don't care?


Don't be so dull, DP. Christ.


What is dull about it? I believe he is a Vig. I believe I am getting shot incredibly stupidly, I obviously can't do anything to get geript out of his moronic tunnel, So I need other people to do it for me.

I am legitimately concerned about getting shot. And I don't know why you wouldn't be concerned about me getting shot.


If someone says they're going to bathe in shit, then me telling them it's a bad idea probably isn't going to stop them bathing in shit, because it should be obvious enough already.


Sigh. People listen to you marv. You are usually very good at pointing out that people are about to bathe in shit and then convincing them that bathing in shit is a bad idea and should be avoided.

Earlier when I spoke to you you said you didn't want to talk about it because it wasn't relevant at that time.

Well it is relevant now and you still don't want to talk about it. In fact you seem to be ok with it happening. Doesn't make sense.

DP, look at what geript did in Aperture. "I'm a motherfucking town vote rigger! Therefore i'll draw every single vote on me on D1 by playing stupid and i'll execute BH (who was town) just because".

In case geript is town and a vigilante you are not helping yourself by telling him how retarded he is, because by doing that he will 100% shoot you no matter how wise/unwise that is.

Do something else instead. I have not seen much scum reads/analysis from you this game, and i honestly think that's a bit worrying. You did enter shitfests with geript/FT, then called them both scum and voted for FT. Who else do you think is scum?


Yeah. I think marv could be scum. I'll post a thorough case on him by deadline. It is hard to get marv lynched so it will be a lot of work.

See that's why I didn't want to put marv on my doclist. Dat feeling.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 23 2013 11:30 GMT
#2107
marv could you explain the lack of commenting on my Koshi case on D1, especially when he voted for FT (before that he said FT is not a scumread of his)?
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 23 2013 11:31 GMT
#2108
Marv scum, rayn scum. totes possible. That's why rayn doesn't feel the urge to actually play decentas scum. There is a scum leader.
I had a good night of sleep.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 23 2013 11:31 GMT
#2109
On September 23 2013 20:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 20:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:11 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:10 marvellosity wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 23 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote:
I really cannot be bothered to comment on all the people who have claimed vigi and who are claiming to use their shot on x and y.

Pretty much what will be will be.


Really? you are just going to sit back and let geript vig me? I would expect you to point out how dumb that would be. But you don't care?


Don't be so dull, DP. Christ.


What is dull about it? I believe he is a Vig. I believe I am getting shot incredibly stupidly, I obviously can't do anything to get geript out of his moronic tunnel, So I need other people to do it for me.

I am legitimately concerned about getting shot. And I don't know why you wouldn't be concerned about me getting shot.


If someone says they're going to bathe in shit, then me telling them it's a bad idea probably isn't going to stop them bathing in shit, because it should be obvious enough already.


Sigh. People listen to you marv. You are usually very good at pointing out that people are about to bathe in shit and then convincing them that bathing in shit is a bad idea and should be avoided.

Earlier when I spoke to you you said you didn't want to talk about it because it wasn't relevant at that time.

Well it is relevant now and you still don't want to talk about it. In fact you seem to be ok with it happening. Doesn't make sense.

DP, look at what geript did in Aperture. "I'm a motherfucking town vote rigger! Therefore i'll draw every single vote on me on D1 by playing stupid and i'll execute BH (who was town) just because".

In case geript is town and a vigilante you are not helping yourself by telling him how retarded he is, because by doing that he will 100% shoot you no matter how wise/unwise that is.

Do something else instead. I have not seen much scum reads/analysis from you this game, and i honestly think that's a bit worrying. You did enter shitfests with geript/FT, then called them both scum and voted for FT. Who else do you think is scum?


Yeah. I think marv could be scum. I'll post a thorough case on him by deadline. It is hard to get marv lynched so it will be a lot of work.


Seems you've already made your mind up.

From "marv could maybe be scum" to "I will post a thorough case" without any legwork in between.

Interesting, no?


Not really. I thought you could be scum a while ago, but held back because it is tedious fighting with you all the time. But this game you just seem to give far fewer shits than I would expect. Like. I could read your filter a few times and change my mind. Not saying it is impossible.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 11:32 GMT
#2110
On September 23 2013 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv could you explain the lack of commenting on my Koshi case on D1, especially when he voted for FT (before that he said FT is not a scumread of his)?


I felt Koshi was unlikely to be mafia, because I don't think he'd display the rank apathy that he did during a lot of Day 1 as mafia.

I think he'd at least pretend to be interested.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 23 2013 11:34 GMT
#2111
On September 23 2013 20:32 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv could you explain the lack of commenting on my Koshi case on D1, especially when he voted for FT (before that he said FT is not a scumread of his)?


I felt Koshi was unlikely to be mafia, because I don't think he'd display the rank apathy that he did during a lot of Day 1 as mafia.

I think he'd at least pretend to be interested.

Why didn't you tell my case was bad and i should look elsewhere then? That's what you usually do.
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 11:35 GMT
#2112
Because I don't think your case was necessarily bad. And I wasn't sure enough about Koshi to defend him, especially as it didn't look like he was being lynched.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 23 2013 11:39 GMT
#2113
Fair enough. What do you make of FT's answers?
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 11:45 GMT
#2114
I've already mentioned why his case is pretty bad from my pov. Rest of his posts are just bleh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 23 2013 11:51 GMT
#2115
rayn why are you not mad?
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 23 2013 12:00 GMT
#2116
On September 23 2013 20:45 marvellosity wrote:
I've already mentioned why his case is pretty bad from my pov. Rest of his posts are just bleh

Oh right. Yeah i agree with you on that.

Another thing that bothers me is his read on me. I generally hate when people point out things i have done, make a long post about it and then end up with a null-read. What FT said was:
I'm null on rayn. There are some things he's done that I liked, but there is also a great absence of things that he could have done that he hasn't done.

For rayn, he is posting in unnaturally low quantities. When that happens, rayn usually flips scum. However, in this game, rayn has been actively pursuing reads like he usually does as town. I remember a few exchanges he's had with a few people that made me think he was standard town rayn. Of course, he could be deliberately tailoring his play to get us to think exactly that. I'm still hazy on his alignment.

"He has done townie stuff, but he could be scum, because he should have done more though". Like what? Why not explain what should i have done then if there is something that makes me scum that i should have absolutely done?

He just leaves the read/question open and asks me about it. Wtf am i supposed to answer?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 23 2013 12:00 GMT
#2117
On September 23 2013 20:51 Koshi wrote:
rayn why are you not mad?

Why should i be mad?
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 23 2013 12:02 GMT
#2118
On September 23 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 20:51 Koshi wrote:
rayn why are you not mad?

Why should i be mad?

that I totally wasted your Day 1. Or am I still scum to you?
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 23 2013 12:05 GMT
#2119
On September 23 2013 21:02 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:51 Koshi wrote:
rayn why are you not mad?

Why should i be mad?

that I totally wasted your Day 1. Or am I still scum to you?

I don't know. I am willing to let you do your stuff. Don't waste it by OMGUSing me. Because if you do so then i will be mad. If you think i am scum fair enough, then give reasons for it. But don't just shit on for no reason. That's not gonna help anyone.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 23 2013 12:12 GMT
#2120
On September 23 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 21:02 Koshi wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:51 Koshi wrote:
rayn why are you not mad?

Why should i be mad?

that I totally wasted your Day 1. Or am I still scum to you?

I don't know. I am willing to let you do your stuff. Don't waste it by OMGUSing me. Because if you do so then i will be mad. If you think i am scum fair enough, then give reasons for it. But don't just shit on for no reason. That's not gonna help anyone.

rofl. we will see. you are on the scum side of things for sure.
I had a good night of sleep.
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