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On September 23 2013 19:56 FirmTofu wrote:

I was definitely generalizing to what I believe to be proper townplay vs proper scumplay. As this is a game of probability, I'm working with probabilities.

"Town is more likely to believe their actions even to the point of fault."
"Only scum uses fallback options to justify their actions."

These are statements dependent on implied probabilities. Granted, I may not have used the best choice of words(see: Only), but I believe that both of these statements are true in the majority of cases. They may not be true for you, but that is not a damning argument in and of itself.

While you may not fit the mold, I believe most players do. You are only one statistic and cannot single-handedly refute my argument with only the evidence of your own play to back you up.

On September 23 2013 19:56 geript wrote:
So is nobody else find coag's choice of shot weird? I mean, at least he's town then and shit but ugh.

On September 23 2013 19:58 marvellosity wrote:


Yes, but you have no evidence to support your theory being true either.

Therefore "you cannot singlehandedly assert that your heuristic is correct with only the evidence of you saying so."

I'd rather say town, especially on day 1, are much more likely to think in either/or terms because it'll be the time townies are most unsure of their reads.

On September 23 2013 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Er, Basterd. Only a few months ago.

On September 23 2013 20:00 geript wrote:
Ok. See you hon keys after the test.

Tofu. I want an explanation of how you gave me a townread but completely missed all my vig claims.

On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Finally got some decent reads. :D

Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation.

As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them.

We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term.

Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots.

Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used.

Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned.

On September 23 2013 20:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Marv, please. We talked about it after the game (or when i died). It was to get shot and to keep you alive as you were a more valuable asset in that game and certainly not a veteran. It's the exact same thing i did with iamp in Bluelightz game. Obviously didn't work because Vivax couldn't get out of tunneling you after that and since then i have stopped it (because it didn't work out in Bluelightz game aswell -- as iamp claimed mason). I also did the same thing in Ego, where i posted a huge (half incorrect) case on Palmar on last night because i wanted him alive on the last day as i was copping him.

On September 23 2013 20:01 FirmTofu wrote:

Ultimately, the goal is to try and convince a majority of people to agree with me. While this argument may not resonate with you, I think the majority of people can see where I am coming from. You are entitled to your opinion, so I would like to agree to disagree on this issue.

Can any of the rest of you chime in on my case on Zaragon?

Rayn, is there any reason you've been relatively subdued in this game?

On September 23 2013 20:03 DarthPunk wrote:


Where are you're decent reads. This post is just a rehashing of the previous conversation in the thread about vig shots and lurkers. Basically mirroring exactly what was said.

On September 23 2013 20:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Marv, please. We talked about it after the game (or when i died). It was to get shot and to keep you alive as you were a more valuable asset in that game and certainly not a veteran. It's the exact same thing i did with iamp in Bluelightz game. Obviously didn't work because Vivax couldn't get out of tunneling you after that and since then i have stopped it (because it didn't work out in Bluelightz game aswell -- as iamp claimed mason). I also did the same thing in Ego, where i posted a huge (half incorrect) case on Palmar on last night because i wanted him alive on the last day as i was copping him.

On September 23 2013 19:56 geript wrote:
So is nobody else find coag's choice of shot weird? I mean, at least he's town then and shit but ugh.

On September 23 2013 20:05 geript wrote:

So you just chose to give me a townread after skipping most of my posts? Where's the sense in that?

On September 23 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote:
I really cannot be bothered to comment on all the people who have claimed vigi and who are claiming to use their shot on x and y.

Pretty much what will be will be.

On September 23 2013 20:05 geript wrote:

So you just chose to give me a townread after skipping most of my posts? Where's the sense in that?

On September 23 2013 20:08 DarthPunk wrote:


Really? you are just going to sit back and let geript vig me? I would expect you to point out how dumb that would be. But you don't care?