EPTOn September 10 2013 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am reading the D3 and i cannot believe Sno_man is mafia. I honestly just can't.
I am reading the D3 and i cannot believe Sno_man is mafia. I honestly just can't.
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yamato77
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 06 2013 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not claiming vanilla. I am saying i was given a vanilla fakeclaim in addition to my blue role. What are you going to say when Hapa confirms this? I claimed being shot because there was a possibility of debears fakeclaiming in a situation where mafia had hit doctor's target. It was reasonable for me to assume that debears was not a real vet (which was true). Vet is the easiest role to fakeclaim as mafia as doctors do not get notified of protection. I also claimed the shot because i wanted to get shot on N2. On September 06 2013 00:58 Sylencia wrote: So then what would you expect to see from someone who has no powers for the first 2 days? I'm literally wracking my brain to try figure out what the hell you expected. On September 06 2013 00:58 Sn0_Man wrote: Hmmmm rayn finally did somethign that makes some amount of sense. Still a bad play but it finally makes a bit of sense. Rayn is saying that the host provided him a "VT" claim. I find that hard to believe so right now I'm going with "rayn is making up shit hoping Syl will provide a fake VT claim which would prove him maf". Sorry rayn, i gave away ur game because ur really annoying. On September 06 2013 00:59 Sn0_Man wrote: And because its not helping town right now The bolded part. If Sno_man was scum this is something he would know he is wrong about knowing Sylencia is mafia. Immediately when Sylencia said "what are you talking about fakeclaims" i posted this: This is a clear indication i am telling the truth and Hapahauli is going to prove me right. Again, if Sno_man was scum he would not have said the bolded part in upåer quotes, that's something you keep in the scum QT and discuss how will you handle the situation. But no, after that Sno_man keeps going on telling how retarded my thought process is and how wrong i am. He cannot possibly think he can lynch Onegu over me yelling lynch marv / Sylencia. That's just something that will not happen no matter how wrong or right i am. In addition to that, in case he was scum he would know i am right, and he is doing a self-destructive things calling me retarded, wrong, scum, etc. after that. It makes zero sense if he is scum. Absolutely zero. | ||
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yamato77
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lol, Rayn | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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He really believed Onegu is scum. | ||
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yamato77
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there's where you go wrong: you presume to know what sn0 would have done as scum | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I would also have expected you to say something more than "lynch marv" during the phase if you were town. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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On September 10 2013 21:19 yamato77 wrote: If I had to pick one, it would be Sn0 because he This is essentially how I read this post. Onegu, if he was maf, probably feels comfortable jumping on yam in this situation, since all scum cares about is a mislynch not who it is. Yes, he could park his vote on me for like 24 hours to "look townie" but he probably doesn't need to in this case. So in a funny way Onegu casting suspicion on me seems town while Yamato doing it seems scum. PS: Yam I do get that you are playing markedly differently this game from P4 and other recent scum games. However, I respect your ability enough to believe that you can pull that off, especially motivated with a scumbuddy like marv. I'm not simply granting you a free ride because of how last game went. To be candid with you, I'm not scum. So if you are really town, and you do really want to win (which you have admitted you don't really anymore), prove to me Onegu is scum. It's the only other option. You have like 30ish hours. | ||
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yamato77
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Fuck off. Good game. | ||
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Onegu
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On September 10 2013 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: The bolded part. If Sno_man was scum this is something he would know he is wrong about knowing Sylencia is mafia. Immediately when Sylencia said "what are you talking about fakeclaims" i posted this: This is a clear indication i am telling the truth and Hapahauli is going to prove me right. Again, if Sno_man was scum he would not have said the bolded part in upåer quotes, that's something you keep in the scum QT and discuss how will you handle the situation. But no, after that Sno_man keeps going on telling how retarded my thought process is and how wrong i am. He cannot possibly think he can lynch Onegu over me yelling lynch marv / Sylencia. That's just something that will not happen no matter how wrong or right i am. In addition to that, in case he was scum he would know i am right, and he is doing a self-destructive things calling me retarded, wrong, scum, etc. after that. It makes zero sense if he is scum. Absolutely zero. Do you think scum was in full bus mode at that point? I mean they hope you saying the vt claim was fake and that you were just makeing a play like sn0 says here and then push my lynch, we were in mylo and the play would be low risk, and he could switch his vote later to bus if you were telling the truth. I dont see how you are saying this is something mafia would never do. Plus you had already called sn0 town for how he interacted with you, so he just keeps playing that way, he cant just start agreeing with you and being non confrontational, he has to go after you at that point. | ||
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Do you think Sno is more likely to be scum that yamato? Sno tried to figure out the game on D3. What did yamato do? Absolutely nothing but dropped a vote on marv, he did absolutely nothing else. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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I was one of the very early adopters of the "lets lynch marv" plan, but I got really nervous when very little in the way of evidence showed up, but a whole lot of votes appeared on him regardless. Since it's now clear that scum went for the hard bus, there's no way scum!me plays it that way (look at how Syl played it). I mean, we were at Mylo, so scum had no need to look clean if they could mislynch. They clearly felt that bussing marv for towncred was the way to go, so why was I so concerned about how it was going down? Like, you can't say "Sn0 bussed marv early D3" and then "Scum wasn't in bus mode later D3". Meanwhile Yam over here has literally thrown shit at Hapa/Rayn and every other confirmed townie he can find while carefully making sure his vote history is in the "right" place. There's no longer any way he's town (especially given my re-read of you). Ah well, if we have to wait 30 hours for the lynch that ends up being decided by who got to 2 votes first, then we will. Its already decided right now. Rayn is dumb as all hell but he's drawn all the right conclusions this game post-D2 (so maybe its me whos dumb iunno). PS: I'm noticing that people who bring up NK WIFOM like "would I as scum ever kill X? Of course not!" are invariably scum. | ||
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Onegu
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On September 11 2013 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, i think scum were in full-bus mode as Sylencia's & marv's behavior that phase proves it. Do you think Sno is more likely to be scum that yamato? Sno tried to figure out the game on D3. What did yamato do? Absolutely nothing but dropped a vote on marv, he did absolutely nothing else. I am just trying to make sure we have this right. While all of us are here discussing things and looking at it from a different angle cant hurt. That being said I am ok to move it up 24 hours and vote yamato. I just really want to make sure we get this right while we are all here. | ||
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Onegu
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##VOTE: 24HR DAY | ||
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yamato77
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If you have any doubts, let you agonize over them for 24 extra hours so that when you finally realize your error, you'll rethink how you play this game. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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At the day post this is the situation: - debears has claimed 3p who tried to kill himself. - Hapa has docced him. - Sciberbia tried to shoot yamato and died & got roleblocked. What happens next: I vocally accuse Hapahauli and debears of shenanigans, and vote for debears. debears immediately calls me confirmed scum and votes for me. Hapahauli questions me, but from his posts it can clearly be drawn that he at least is thinking the possibility that i am scum. Scum stay silent.. Scum QT: "lol this is good. we need just a mislynch now. we just wait rayn destroy himself and win the game. ezpz. Then suddenly debears gets himself modkilled. This confirms Hapahauli as the real doctor. Look at how the thread evolves starting from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=97#1921 - rayn: "okay, let's kill marv!" - Hapahauli: "i am more interested in yamato, i'll look into marv and Thrawn too." - marv: setup speculation after setup speculation after setup speculation, then this: On September 04 2013 09:27 marvellosity wrote: I know I have a decent chunk of time tomorrow evening, so I shall use it wisely Scum QT: "holy fucking shit, what the hell happened. if hapa and rayn get their shit together we have no other possibilities than to bus someone to look better." Situation: marvellosity has left the building. Sylencia has left the building. yamato gives reads. No reasoning and the conclusions are the following: rayn - possible mafia Sylencia - inconclusive Onegu - possible mafia Sno - possible mafia Hapahauli - gives no conclusion Thrawn - Overall, not very conclusive marv - Does he care who gets lynched? Doesn’t look like it "Not terribly conclusive, but out of the three, I would pick Rayn/Marv/Onegu as the worst and the ones I will concentrate on in my next step: a read of the thread." - So nothing is conclusive, suddenly i am scum somehow? And why is marv there over Sno, another "possible mafia"? This makes no sense. In comparsion, let's look what Sno_man posts right before: + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2013 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote: raynpelikoneet Sylencia Onegu yamato77 Tutankoopa/Thrawn marvellosity For there almost certainly being 3 scum in those 6 players this game sure is hard. Debears wanted to lynch rayn until he got modkilled, and I agree that rayn's vet claim makes *no* sense given the conditional nature of all the power roles we know of so far (admittedly the scum RB doesn't seem very conditional). However, If we mislynch today the water level hits 1000 no matter what (based on my understanding of how the water mechanic is working) so... I feel like there are too many unknowns for a rayn lynch right now. Lynching yamato is surprisingly attractive right now given that his 3-man scumteam of last night are all town, although I'm willing to see what he can come up with on the "mulligan". I mean, his activity has distinctly spiked compared to his last 3 consecutive scum-games which gives me a few misgivings, but I'm willing to believe that he is easily capable of putting on that one spat with marv/hapa at the start then calming down as scum. My gut says sylencia is another real candidate, at least in part because of how smoothly the lynch slid off of him D1 when its clear that the only 2 lynch candidates D1 that could possibly be scum were thrawn and him. Other than that, most of what I have to say is simply that this thread would be 18 million times easier to read and easier for town to solve if rayn didn't feel the need to ruin it constantly :/ Marv managed to inflate his filter by 3 or so pages purely calling rayn a dumbass, which is entirely correct but also makes it harder to really follow marv and it's hard not to have some suspicions there when the game has gone so poorly. Sorry that post was mostly just me typing whatever came into my head. PS: Useless setup speculation: It's safe to say that scum NK's are worth 50 water, since they achieved their NK tonight and it balanced-out perfectly with our doctor save. In addition, for balance reasons it prevents town losing D2 if town mislynches twice (which we did). As such, while I'm really unsure if it would help town much, a no-lynch isn't too unreasonable an option. Admittedly all that happens is we lose our doctor (ugh) but I'm willing to assume that he will be roleblocked and killed in fairly short order anyway so this isn't too huge a loss. The problem is that we need his insight for as long as possible. TL;DR we are at MyLo not Lylo or w/e. If we mislynch we lose but if we no-lynch we don't lose on the spot. This is a perfectly fine post with reasoning given. After this both Hapahauli and me question yamato on his reads. yamato says nothing but "fuck off, i've given perfectly fine reasoning for my reads". Yeah right: + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2013 07:16 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato When you get back, I need an answer to the following: 1) How is it that your Sn0 read is so different from yesterday? 2) Your votecount analysis seems really shallow. You spend zero time looking into the context of those posts and take them all at face value. You should realize that voting has been chaotic and wishy-washy as a whole this game. 3) I really don't understand the complete inability for us to have a conversation this game. For example, this post... ...you made after you posted your case against me, seemingly promising to show some effort and talk to me. Instead you fucked off, did god knows what, and came back the next morning and tunneled me while I was gone. You seemed so much more interested in calling me scum than actually trying to determine my allignment. On September 05 2013 11:28 Hapahauli wrote: No, you didn't explain at all why your Sn0 read is different. Let me walk you through your filter: Before my night actions, you were all aboard the hapa/sn0 scumteam train: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=91#1815 Then you "mulligan" your reads, and post your vote-analysis, in which you call Sn0 "possible mafia" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387¤tpage=99#1961 ... after which you conclude that 3 other people are scum. Still nothing about your sn0 town read. So no, you did not explain why your Sn0 read is different. Ever. So why is it scummy as opposed to Rayn being absurdly emotional? On September 05 2013 11:33 Hapahauli wrote: I stand corrected. You say this about Sn0: Then you threw in a line here about Sn0. However that still doesnt' really tell me anything. How is the same? Does "similar" play preclude Sn0's scumgame? Sno_man on the other hand answers Hapa's questions reasonably. At this point Hapa is going towards thrawn and Onegu town. Doesn't seem to be interested in Sno any more. Want's to know more about marv from me. Then i make my case on marv. Thrawn immediately agrees and votes for him. I think it makes him town. Scum QT: "Shit we are losing marv. Damage control mode." Sylencia makes a horrible fake claim to save him. I prove the claim wrong with Hapa. Situation: rayn - tells people to lynch marv hapa - tries to figure out which lynch is the best Sno - tries to figure out which lynch is the best, a lot of changes in mind, but still tries Onegu - tries to figure out which lynch is the best, bad plan, but tries thrawn - tries to figure out which lynch is the best, a lot of changes in mind, but still tries marv - doesn't give a fuck or afk Sylencia - doesn't give a fuck or afk yamato - doesn't give a fuck or afk, still doesn't answer Hapa's questions, even on N3 after succesful scum lynch I dunno, who would you say is mafia? | ||
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If you are town and Sno_man (or Onegu somehow) is scum, it's your fault that you have not even tried to do anything to solve the game and convince people to vote for your scumreads. | ||
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