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On September 10 2013 19:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also if EVERYONE agrees to end the day today (24 hours early) we can do that too I guess.
It'll happen if EVERYONE PMs me saying they want that. [/b]
On September 11 2013 01:21 yamato77 wrote:
I will purposefully deny you any respite in lynching me early.
A) doesn't look like its happening
B) Don't forget to PM Dandel, not just vote in this thread.
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Hmm, dunno what went wrong with my bbcode there. Oh well.
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On September 11 2013 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have just shown that you have not given shit about the game as soon as the game has been going bad for scum. You have clearly made statements that need explaining, yet you are refusing to explain anything. Other people (besides flipped scum and you) have tried to solve the game, tried to figure out who is mafia and who is not.
If you are town and Sno_man (or Onegu somehow) is scum, it's your fault that you have not even tried to do anything to solve the game and convince people to vote for your scumreads.
Every time I talk about one of them being mafia, you go
" NO THEY'RE NOT MAFIA BECUASE I SAID SO, YOU ARE!!!!!1!1!1!1!1!"
Verbatim quotation.
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I feel like unsubscribing from this thread for 24hrs.
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I ask you for mafia!motivated!reasoning for their actions. Every time. You need to be able to explain why they would do what they would as mafia. If you can't do that, it's hard to believe you.
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For example, take this conversation:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 09 2013 23:31 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 23:25 Onegu wrote:On September 09 2013 22:34 yamato77 wrote:On September 09 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:
Yamato if you arent last scum then who is?
you? honestly, i don't care hope one of you/sn0 is smart enough to actually look at the other one instead of listening to rayn Sigh are you even reading anymore, I have been leaning more toward sn0 being scum, but now it just looks like you have given up after marv flipped. you're probably the towniest of the 3, tbh then its sn0 and last is thrawn for fucking off since he became thrawn On September 09 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So thrawn is scum because at the D3 start he was the first one to vote for marv? On September 09 2013 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 23:45 yamato77 wrote:On September 09 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So thrawn is scum because at the D3 start he was the first one to vote for marv? ...? Did I say that? wtf Rayn If you look at D3 votes, scum is probably Sn0 since he said he'd rather lynch Syl. I could see scum thinking they should sacrifice Syl to keep Marv alive another day since roleblocker and all, like you thought. So why is Onegu town then? He was the most vocal person to shout for lynching Sylencia. On September 09 2013 23:57 yamato77 wrote:
oh, I thought Sn0 did that play with voting syl first
nvm Onegu could be mafia after all On September 10 2013 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But Onegu has expressed a large amount of suspicion on Sylencia throughout the game. Hoe does that not make sense for him to vote for Syl if he did not believe Sylencia's claim? On September 10 2013 00:06 yamato77 wrote:
your questions are becoming increasingly pointless
To me this tells nothing about who you think is mafia. First you call Onegu the towniest one of those three. Then you call the other people scum based on some of their actions. When i question you about the actions compared to Onegu's, you say "oh lol, he can be scum too". When i ask about that and give some back up for my statement you call me stupid.
Now am i supposed to get answers from you when i am not allowed to ask questions?
This whole conversation to me tells that you can't give any reasons why any of those people are mafia. You don't have a clear thought process, and you certainly have net been following the game closely because you are not even familiar what is going on in the game besides how people have voted.
My conclusion is that you stopped giving shit about the game on halfway D3. You claim otherwise but every single action after that proves otherwise. It also proves you have not been paying attention to the game earlier, because you clearly are not familiar what has happened in the game on D1 - N2. Your vote analysis was full of crap, because the posts were taken out of context and does not address all of it (which i can clearly see from what you said about me).
You are not trying to tell why someone other than you is scum, you are flinging shit into every direction where you possibly can with no real reasoning and a clear train of thought.
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Rayn, the last 3 pages of yam's filter (9,10,11) are literally all 1-3 line posts saying "I don't care who wins guys just lynch me you don't know what your doing" every 30 mins while he's on. He obviously cares and keeps checking incessantly but is lying about "oh I don't care you guys are too stupid to see whats up". If he really thought that he would point out what he thinks is going on. He's far far too invested in the game to be the "I quit" townie he's pretending to be. He just doesn't have a case on anybody else because he KNOWS we are town.
Just, don't feed him. Let the game end when it ends. So long as he feels like you are talking to him he feels like he has a chance to sway the game by pretending to be sad-yet-vindictive townie, the "victim" of unfair tunnelling who will return the cruelty to everybody else. or something.
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For example, you said "Why does Rayn repeatedly leave his vote on people he doesn’t really think are mafia? Screams throughout the day that X is scum (TK on D1, Hapa on D2) and then votes for lurky mislynches twice? Possible mafia."
You are not even trying to think why i would do this as town. I tried to push my top scumread on both of the days. I tried that really hard. When they weren't getting lynched, on D1 i voted for FirmTofu (because i could not be 100% sure he is town), and on D2 i voted for Slam (because Oats was really town and Slam was not).
On N2 start i should have been fucking confirmed town for everyone who had been paying any attention to the game. Why the fuck would i as mafia fakeclaim mason to save Oatsmaster from getting lynched when the opposing wagons were at that time useless lurkers (Slam/FT). Why in the hell would i do that? I mean, i do sneaky stuff as scum but that's plain out stupid. I do not do stupid stuff.
The correct and only possible analysis is that i am town and have a fucking strong town read on Oats, regardless of his affiliation, or we are both scum (which was proven wrong on N2 start). I have no clue why Oats did say we are not masons, because him knowing he is town he should have realized there is no way i am scum. I was fakeclaiming to get hit on N1, drawing a hit from marv/Hapa/yamato/debears (who are probably more capable of solving the game later on) because as scum you don't leave confirmed townies alive.
You, yamato, are good enough to realize this kinda stuff as town. Hapa has not played with me enough to realize that (apparently). when Oats flipped and i was again vocally against his lynch, everyone who is competant should have realized i am town.
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I know Sno but i like posting. :/
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The game will not end today.
Carry on
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You guys have DECIDED that I am mafia, that is the problem here. You don't consider anything I say valid because you are attributing it all to me being scum.
You think I'm doing this just to martyr? LOL. Just looking at the posting from last night until today, I actually am nearly certain that Onegu is the mafia here.
Will explain at length shortly.
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On September 11 2013 05:57 yamato77 wrote:
I actually am nearly certain that Onegu is the mafia here.
Will explain at length shortly.
Pls do. Given Dandel's post we have nothing better to do than read it I think.
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Just look at how he goes from thinking you are mafia to thinking I am mafia, and voting me.
Does he seem at all interested in reading my filter and giving a real read of me or is he simply following the thread sentiment that I am scum and trying to win today?
Really, his last post gives it away. "Yeah, I just want to be sure about this thing, so I'll go ahead and vote Yamato and try to get the day to end early."
Makes no sense.
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Notably, he also didn't vote for Sylencia before day 3. Now ask yourself, if Sylencia is going to fakeclaim and try to save Marv or whatever, wouldn't the last scum want to bus Sylencia or push another lynch? Why would one scum leave his vote on Marv basically the whole day while the other is moving to try to divert attention? It makes far more sense to also be diverting attention, especially when the attention is on a fakeclaim that is easy to WIFOM about endlessly.
Also, as I said before, his voting history is pathetic. D1 and D2 he placed his vote on the ultra lurkers and basically peaced. The only reason his vote changed D1 was because he was "waiting for FT to explain himself" or whatever, but it ended back there anyway. D2 he literally voted and then did almost nothing else.
Rayn thinks Onegu is town because of hiw he went after Syl D3, but does he ever consider that Sylencia's claim was meant to be so he could be bussed, to buy Marv time? It's easy to look like you think someone is scum when YOU KNOW they are scum.
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The whole reason I went through this process today was to see how the three of you would justify voting me under these circumstances. You and Rayn are obviously just subject to massive confirmation bias at this point, and that's actually pretty telling to me. The fact that you both have continued to find fictitious reasons why I'm mafia shows that you at least care about scumhunting to some extent, even if you are dead wrong about my alignment and my general play as town.
Onegu, on the other hand, is a different story. He's waffled about it and such, because he had a "scumread" on you, Sn0, so it look odd if he goes into MYLO and just votes me. But essentially, that's what he's done. He pointed out some apparent inconsistency in my posting (meaningless semantics) and echoed the stupid fucking sentiment that I've "given up on the game" (I clearly haven't), and then waffled some more.
Really, like I said, it's his final actions that give him away. If he "wants to be sure about this" why did he leave his vote on me and decide to shorten the day? The cognitive dissonance gives away his true intentions; he wanted to find a reason to vote for me and, by extension, win the game. He wasn't at all interested in actually looking at my filter and reading my true alignment, because not once did he come up with a single original thought about my play.
So yeah, you can thank me later, I solved the game.
##Unvote
##Vote Onegu
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Well you really are trying hard.
Note the lack of unvoting.
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I do indeed note the lack of true mafia skill.
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I'm glad you guys are so fine with losing.
I'm going to taunt you endlessly postgame for how terrible the both of you are playing today and how narrowminded you have to be to be lynching me at this point, having seen how I played scum last game.
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Also for turning a blind eye to the obvscum Onegu as he weasels his vote onto me this last day behind Rayn's incessant tunnel.
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What am i supposed to do? I waited for you to play the game for 5 irl days. You didn't. Now in the last 24h you put up some case on Onegu and expect us to do hasty last minute vote switches depending on if wild Onegu appears or not?
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