EPT5) Why did you think Thrawn is scum on D3-D5?
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raynpelikoneet
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5) Why did you think Thrawn is scum on D3-D5? | ||
yamato77
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On September 12 2013 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: In the meantime, yamato: 1) Why did you not explain your read on Sno to Hapa when he asked about it (besides me) multiple times? 2) What was your thought process of me being scum on N2-D3 start given that i saved Oats on D1? 3) Why did you do nothing in the game for 5 irl days D3 ->? i explained my read of sn0, period. we had this discussion. I rescinded ALL OF MY READS at the start of D3 for the purpose of re-examining them. saving Oats isn't necessarily an alignment indicative play. nor is it enough to make you "confirmed town" once he flipped town. i don't but into confirmed townies too often anyway, it's easy to lose games that way. i did stuff, you guys just ignored it and/or called me scum for it. story of my life. | ||
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yamato77
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On September 12 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: 4) Why did you think Hapa is scum on N3? 5) Why did you think Thrawn is scum on D3-D5? because he obviously didn't give much of a fuck about actually discerning my alignment. Hapa, as town, should know better than to call me scum when I spout off conspiracy theories thrawn, like I said many times, just had his activity trail off into uselessness near the end. Also, his about-face of his read on me was fishy and not at all what I would expect from a player who WATCHED ME PLAY SCUM IN GoT, and has played with me many times in the past. I'm actually confirmed town when I do stuff like accuse people who have a near zero chance of being scum. it's what I do. | ||
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Onegu
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 12 2013 00:17 yamato77 wrote: i explained my read of sn0, period. we had this discussion. I rescinded ALL OF MY READS at the start of D3 for the purpose of re-examining them. saving Oats isn't necessarily an alignment indicative play. nor is it enough to make you "confirmed town" once he flipped town. i don't but into confirmed townies too often anyway, it's easy to lose games that way. i did stuff, you guys just ignored it and/or called me scum for it. story of my life. No you did not explain your read on Sno. Hapa asked you about it in two posts after you had "explained it". Why would i as mafia save Oats from being lynched over two lurkers when all of them are town? FT and Slam were lynchbaits this game, i could have just said "you are all fucking stupid, don't lynch Oats, lynch X" instead of claiming Mason with him (something that ensures he will not get lynched). No you didn't. You gave a read on someone, i questioned i, you said "lololol, okay X is not scum, Y is." I questioned it, you said "lololol, maybe Z is". | ||
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yamato77
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it's mind-boggling that it gets to the last 12 hours of D5 until you guys stop and think about this. Maybe I was being a dick earlier today, but really, you guys deserved it. and it helped me catch the real mafia between Sn0/Onegu. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 12 2013 00:19 yamato77 wrote: because he obviously didn't give much of a fuck about actually discerning my alignment. Hapa, as town, should know better than to call me scum when I spout off conspiracy theories thrawn, like I said many times, just had his activity trail off into uselessness near the end. Also, his about-face of his read on me was fishy and not at all what I would expect from a player who WATCHED ME PLAY SCUM IN GoT, and has played with me many times in the past. I'm actually confirmed town when I do stuff like accuse people who have a near zero chance of being scum. it's what I do. But you know this role stuff maybe best in this game. Hapa was CONFIRMED town unless he was scum doctor after debears' flip.. thrawn had, yes. So did you. | ||
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yamato77
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On September 12 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: No you did not explain your read on Sno. Hapa asked you about it in two posts after you had "explained it". Why would i as mafia save Oats from being lynched over two lurkers when all of them are town? FT and Slam were lynchbaits this game, i could have just said "you are all fucking stupid, don't lynch Oats, lynch X" instead of claiming Mason with him (something that ensures he will not get lynched). No you didn't. You gave a read on someone, i questioned i, you said "lololol, okay X is not scum, Y is." I questioned it, you said "lololol, maybe Z is". how hard is it to understand that I reread the fucking game with a fresh outlook and began to realize that Sn0's involvement in the game has been high when he was in the thread? I explained this. You guys didn't read. I don't give a fuck about it anymore. the play is not that important. I don't read into it because it doesn't make sense as EITHER alignment, really. You should take your own reads with a grain of salt and realize that you damn well could have been wrong there and moved the lynch off scum. No, I gave my reads, which were Hapa/Thrawn, then Thrawn/X, and then Sn0 (because of his lynch-Onegu thing), and now Onegu. you wrote them off and called me scum. You can't say I didn't do stuff when I clearly did. That's called being bad. | ||
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yamato77
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On September 12 2013 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you know this role stuff maybe best in this game. Hapa was CONFIRMED town unless he was scum doctor after debears' flip.. thrawn had, yes. So did you. Is a scumdoc completely out of the question in a closed theme game of this nature? My confirmation-biased mind thought not. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 12 2013 00:22 yamato77 wrote: in fact, I've done nothing to be called scum, really. I'm playing NOTHING like I play mafia. NOTHING. it's mind-boggling that it gets to the last 12 hours of D5 until you guys stop and think about this. Maybe I was being a dick earlier today, but really, you guys deserved it. and it helped me catch the real mafia between Sn0/Onegu. I'll be honest with you here. I would have expected a lot more from you in this game if you were town. The things that bother me: 1) You analyzed the voteing patterns. What did you do on D1. Let's look at it; You talk only about marv/Hapa. Then your vote goes onto FT with reasoning "Heads/Tails?". How does ANYONE look worse than you by your own analyses? How can you call anyone scum by their D1 behaviour when you yourself don't take part in any relevant discussion, if you think HApa/marv discussion is relevant, why not push their lynches then? D2; You vote for Hapa. At that time i found the vote reasonable. However, that's all you do. You didn't give a shit about anything, when it's clear Hapa is not gonna get lynched you don't say anything about the current candidates or contribute to the lynch. 3) From there onwards you call the two confirmed townies scum. You call the confirmed scum who the confirmed townies nailed as scum "not sure to be scum". You should know better than this. 4) After that you call all of Thrawn/Sno/Onegu scum, whenever i ask relevant questions about your top scum read you change the candidate (as i pointed out earlier). 5) You leave your vote on marv, the you say "im not auto-lynching Sylencia on D4 (lol)", then you fuck off for 5 days.. Does town!yamato do stuff like this? Yesterday I read 5 games of yours. 2 scum games where you were not killed on D1/D2 and 3 town games where you were alive D3 ->. I don't see similitaries in your town games. I see similitaries in your scumgames. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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On September 03 2013 22:10 yamato77 wrote: Thrawn, what do you think of a Hapa/Slam/Sn0 scumteam? 12 Hours later, when slam flips town and Hapa has a proven doc claim: On September 04 2013 12:26 yamato77 wrote: So I have some more time to reconsider, hm. Going to mulligan everything. Consider all of my posts before this one completely meaningless. I will carry this. I'm the best positioned to do so. "Oops looks like I had 3 townies I wanted to lynch. My bad" 3 days later the best he's come up with is On September 07 2013 03:13 yamato77 wrote: I'm quite clearly saying that I DON'T really think Onegu/Syl/Sn0 are mafia and that I have LOTS of reason to question Hapa and Thrawn, bro. This is after *voting* for rayn D3 quite seriously for a period of time. "Oops 2 more townies on my hit list, still no scum". Dis guy can't possibly be town. Onegu filter is quite contrastable since he's been interested in lynching scum pretty much as long as anybody else has. | ||
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yamato77
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On September 12 2013 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'll be honest with you here. I would have expected a lot more from you in this game if you were town. The things that bother me: 1) You analyzed the voteing patterns. What did you do on D1. Let's look at it; You talk only about marv/Hapa. Then your vote goes onto FT with reasoning "Heads/Tails?". How does ANYONE look worse than you by your own analyses? How can you call anyone scum by their D1 behaviour when you yourself don't take part in any relevant discussion, if you think HApa/marv discussion is relevant, why not push their lynches then? D2; You vote for Hapa. At that time i found the vote reasonable. However, that's all you do. You didn't give a shit about anything, when it's clear Hapa is not gonna get lynched you don't say anything about the current candidates or contribute to the lynch. 3) From there onwards you call the two confirmed townies scum. You call the confirmed scum who the confirmed townies nailed as scum "not sure to be scum". You should know better than this. 4) After that you call all of Thrawn/Sno/Onegu scum, whenever i ask relevant questions about your top scum read you change the candidate (as i pointed out earlier). 5) You leave your vote on marv, the you say "im not auto-lynching Sylencia on D4 (lol)", then you fuck off for 5 days.. Does town!yamato do stuff like this? Yesterday I read 5 games of yours. 2 scum games where you were not killed on D1/D2 and 3 town games where you were alive D3 ->. I don't see similitaries in your town games. I see similitaries in your scumgames. Most of this can be explained by the fact that I commit less time to this game than I used to. | ||
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Onegu
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On September 11 2013 07:15 yamato77 wrote: Just look at how he goes from thinking you are mafia to thinking I am mafia, and voting me. Does he seem at all interested in reading my filter and giving a real read of me or is he simply following the thread sentiment that I am scum and trying to win today? Really, his last post gives it away. "Yeah, I just want to be sure about this thing, so I'll go ahead and vote Yamato and try to get the day to end early." Makes no sense. First off it makes alot of sense, when I am not sure about sn0 100% and think you can flip mafia also, I bring up my points for sn0 being scum, rayn then counters them. I ask him questions he gives his strong reads. At that point rayn isnt switching, sn0 isnt voteing for himself and yamato has selfvoted and said he doesnt care, this gives him a good enough chance to flip scum that I am comfortable putting my vote on him and let the game end, at that point yamato wasnt doing anything. Second if it is going to be yamato giving up and rayn not moveing his vote why not move the deadline up. | ||
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yamato77
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On September 12 2013 00:33 Sn0_Man wrote: You are such a victim yam. Lets look at your reads, starting with this: 12 Hours later, when slam flips town and Hapa has a proven doc claim: "Oops looks like I had 3 townies I wanted to lynch. My bad" 3 days later the best he's come up with is This is after *voting* for rayn D3 quite seriously for a period of time. "Oops 2 more townies on my hit list, still no scum". Dis guy can't possibly be town. Onegu filter is quite contrastable since he's been interested in lynching scum pretty much as long as anybody else has. you're bad stop being bad being good is called critically thinking | ||
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yamato77
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On September 12 2013 00:34 yamato77 wrote: you're bad stop being bad being good is called critically thinking to put it simply wrong =/= scum right =/= town baddie | ||
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Onegu
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On September 11 2013 07:23 yamato77 wrote: Notably, he also didn't vote for Sylencia before day 3. Now ask yourself, if Sylencia is going to fakeclaim and try to save Marv or whatever, wouldn't the last scum want to bus Sylencia or push another lynch? Why would one scum leave his vote on Marv basically the whole day while the other is moving to try to divert attention? It makes far more sense to also be diverting attention, especially when the attention is on a fakeclaim that is easy to WIFOM about endlessly. Also, as I said before, his voting history is pathetic. D1 and D2 he placed his vote on the ultra lurkers and basically peaced. The only reason his vote changed D1 was because he was "waiting for FT to explain himself" or whatever, but it ended back there anyway. D2 he literally voted and then did almost nothing else. Rayn thinks Onegu is town because of hiw he went after Syl D3, but does he ever consider that Sylencia's claim was meant to be so he could be bussed, to buy Marv time? It's easy to look like you think someone is scum when YOU KNOW they are scum. First my votes have always went on my scim reads, I have given reads for those votes and reasons for those votes. Second I have called syl scum all game and my vote went on syl before his fake claim. I pushed a syl lynch before his fake claim and before there was a huge wagon on marv. I also said my read on marv wasnt that strong so I wanted people to vote for who I thought was confirmed scum at the time. | ||
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yamato77
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On September 12 2013 00:33 Onegu wrote: First off it makes alot of sense, when I am not sure about sn0 100% and think you can flip mafia also, I bring up my points for sn0 being scum, rayn then counters them. I ask him questions he gives his strong reads. At that point rayn isnt switching, sn0 isnt voteing for himself and yamato has selfvoted and said he doesnt care, this gives him a good enough chance to flip scum that I am comfortable putting my vote on him and let the game end, at that point yamato wasnt doing anything. Second if it is going to be yamato giving up and rayn not moveing his vote why not move the deadline up. so if it is how you say it is (which is questionable, because that's not really what it looks like), then what do you think now? | ||
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yamato77
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On September 05 2013 23:47 Onegu wrote: Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation. ##VOTE SYLENCIA you didn't vote syl until after his claim, so you get zero townie points for bussing your scummate | ||
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Onegu
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On September 11 2013 07:34 yamato77 wrote: The whole reason I went through this process today was to see how the three of you would justify voting me under these circumstances. You and Rayn are obviously just subject to massive confirmation bias at this point, and that's actually pretty telling to me. The fact that you both have continued to find fictitious reasons why I'm mafia shows that you at least care about scumhunting to some extent, even if you are dead wrong about my alignment and my general play as town. Onegu, on the other hand, is a different story. He's waffled about it and such, because he had a "scumread" on you, Sn0, so it look odd if he goes into MYLO and just votes me. But essentially, that's what he's done. He pointed out some apparent inconsistency in my posting (meaningless semantics) and echoed the stupid fucking sentiment that I've "given up on the game" (I clearly haven't), and then waffled some more. Really, like I said, it's his final actions that give him away. If he "wants to be sure about this" why did he leave his vote on me and decide to shorten the day? The cognitive dissonance gives away his true intentions; he wanted to find a reason to vote for me and, by extension, win the game. He wasn't at all interested in actually looking at my filter and reading my true alignment, because not once did he come up with a single original thought about my play. So yeah, you can thank me later, I solved the game. ##Unvote ##Vote Onegu Again you did give up, I quoted you where you said you give up. You even selfvoted at the time. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 05 2013 23:47 Onegu wrote: Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation. ##VOTE SYLENCIA Your vote did not go on Sylencia before his fakeclaim. Why are you lying? | ||
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