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(14/25) VA Cut the shit 1.U specifically said I'm "pulling a koshi". That is simultaneously dropping koshi credit and associating me with that drop in credit.
2. My problem with your play is that you keep getting involved in brawls of minor co sequence. You just now use that as an excuse to call me static, because u have gone over it before. Yet I could easily say its just as excuse for u to look like u contribute.
3. The snb criteria may have happened many moons ago, but everything in Mafia is about reinterpreting OLD information with NEW flips.
Why are u trying to actively discourage me from rereading the game?
As for ur q. I'm OK with koshi. I think he is an excited townie. I liked his PMS with korynne,. I like rayn. If he was anti-town trying to score town cred early game.. I'm sure his filter would read as flying under the radatr. Its not though. My leap of faith is town. He's self fulfilling anyways, because if 1 Mafia remainsa. Can always lynch rayn. If towqn, he can pardon himself.... As for Marv. I'm stuck with mz. I refuse to think mz is Mafia based on the coordinated bussing. Serial killer is a possibility. Both are standing by the green checks.. I dont like how mz caved and assumed Marv was green though. Its like he pulled out of the conflict and capitulated before it became a shit storm. Whereas I think a townie would most likely have stayed in the shitstorm.
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We're fucking lynching wiggles.
Koshi you made the argument that scum thought marv was sk. You do realize that this contradicts your logic that sk has a green check since scum claimed to have a check that said marv was sk.
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Mocsta go back and read my posts. I pulled out specifically so it did NOT become a shit storm. I want to lynch wiggles, not get bogged down in check wifom.
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On July 30 2013 02:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: We're fucking lynching wiggles.
Koshi you made the argument that scum thought marv was sk. You do realize that this contradicts your logic that sk has a green check since scum claimed to have a check that said marv was sk.
I don't like this one bit.
u do nothing most of the cycle, but then choose to pipe up vehemently when your neck is NOT on the noose anymore.
ur throwing shit at koshi, when u r misquoting lol.
scum had information u and Marv are not the same. they assumed based on play, Marv was SK.
I don't like how u r misconstruing this.. in particular after an absence,
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On July 30 2013 02:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Mocsta go back and read my posts. I pulled out specifically so it did NOT become a shit storm. I want to lynch wiggles, not get bogged down in check wifom. (16/25) I know ... that's why its a problem.
town typically trust their own role pm over everything else.
if ur filter read as trusting Marv as green with reason, your response would make sense. instead u take the safe way out and just capitulate... that's actually an anti town thing to do in my book. there is no logical flow for apgiving Marv a green check other than "I'm getting too much heat
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Anyone need more posts? Also I think we should lynch mz not wiggles. No idea why we are ignoring the check.no idea why we are assuming something is wrong with the checks
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On July 30 2013 02:42 kushm4sta wrote: Anyone need more posts? Also I think we should lynch mz not wiggles. No idea why we are ignoring the check.no idea why we are assuming something is wrong with the checks (17/25) I actually starting to agree with this based kpon the quality of mz recent posting.
I'm off for the next 2 hrs... if the lynch isn't over by then I will reassess where my vote is going.
ciao
p.s. I'm masoned with Marv. apparently Adam masoned him. didnu guys know that?
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Thx Mocsta. Scum had a different check on MZ and Marv. They got that information through Kyronne who got it off layabout. The green check came from FT and scum didn't know that when SlOsh contacted Marv.
I am off for the rest of the day. We are lynching wiggles it seems. If somebody is interested in doing #big plays I will be here for +- 1 hour.
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On July 30 2013 02:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 02:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: We're fucking lynching wiggles.
Koshi you made the argument that scum thought marv was sk. You do realize that this contradicts your logic that sk has a green check since scum claimed to have a check that said marv was sk.
I don't like this one bit. u do nothing most of the cycle, but then choose to pipe up vehemently when your neck is NOT on the noose anymore. ur throwing shit at koshi, when u r misquoting lol. scum had information u and Marv are not the same. they assumed based on play, Marv was SK. I don't like how u r misconstruing this.. in particular after an absence, You must have missed it, sloosh claimed scum had a sk check on marv. A check not a read. Koshi is saying that sk has a green check but is simultaneously using the fact that scum thought marv was sk as part of his reason. Can you really not see how the logic is incompatible.
Again, I'm fine with my own lynch, just kill wiggles next and then maybe kush since he's soft defending wiggles.
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Fun fact of the Day: On Day 1, not a single scum voted for MZ.
Here's my PMs with him, in case you missed them earlier in the thread:
+ Show Spoiler +You're oddly quiet, what do you think about a layabout, sloosh, s&b scum team?
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: Looks like there's more pressure on you today. I don't think you're the best lynch though. Are you planning on stopping it yourself? I'd be willing to help try to move the lynch off of you, but that would be awkward without basically posting everything here.
Hide nested quote - Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: There is no such role as SK in this game and yet when I mentioned it FT was rearin to go and kill Ace. SK's are very bad for scum and it's easy to look townie going after an SK. It was an easy bait and FT jumped on it. I was just trolling but FT had a really bad reaction.
Maybe he's town since he quoted the PM, we'll see if he gets modkilled.
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: What are your thoughts on Vivax, and what do you think of Kholly's claim? I ask because Vivax masoned me, and we talked for a while. Some of what he was saying made sense, but if he's actually mafia, it would be useful information, since he was pushing certain people quite hard in PM. I'm not sure if I believe Kholly. He's been trolling the whole game, and in my communications with Vivax, he didn't come off as scum to me. So, there's a discrepancy between my own reads and what Kholly's saying, and based on kholly's performance so far, I don't see much of a reason to believe him.
Do you actually think FT is scum? I'm not sure of it.
Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not gonna say this in the thread but Ace worries me a lot and I would be so happy if he was dead. As for S&B, he says he's suspicious of Ace, Sloosh, and layabout. Those are personally fine scum reads in my book but he also jumped on the FT lynch wagon very fast for someone who is supposedly suspicious of Ace. I'm gonna keep trolling the thread for a while but I'm really interested to see who keeps pushing FT now that Ace has revealed he was lying.
What are your thoughts? If you think S&B is really that scummy you should analyze his ass.
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: What are your thoughts on Strongandbig? What are your thoughts on the lynch today? What do you think of Ace's trolling?
Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Yeah my alignment is gonna be wifom for you atm and for that I apologize, I'm town but I don't expect you to believe that. My behavior is a result of me genuinely missing the beginning of the game so I decided just to go balls out and play my scum meta until someone noticed. I was really hoping you would get a wagon started because I look like such lynchbait but that didn't happen.
I'm fairly certain VE is town. I've tried to kill him multiple times for similar behavior and he has an annoying knack for flipping town. I also don't think Tofu is scum, I just get a townie vibe from him and his posts thus far seem very genuine and not at all the way DrH is portraying them. I wouldn't at all mind seeing DrH dead since he's just being so toxic which is why I'm voting him. That and I'm really not too motivated to try and whip up an entirely new lynch in the waning hours before the deadline.
I am currently extremely concerned by sandroba's absence, I was actually planning on PMing him right off the bat but he's been afk and that makes me nervous. Aside from him there are an irritating number of inactive people.
I have to be perfectly honest, I have not been reading this game very carefully thus far, I was hoping I could get a wagon started on me and thus maybe catch a few scum being sloppy bandwagoners but that didn't pan out. The issue is the longer I play this way, the more legitimate the case against me will become so sometime tonight I'm gonna have to invest some time in so I'm properly caught up.
As for possible scum reads, at the moment I have layabout since he's been jumping back and forth on reads basically depending on who is active in the thread. He promised a case on vivax and then never followed through.
I'm not vivax's special friend, you're the only person I've masoned thus far.
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: I'm not too sure. I'm not really convinced at the moment either of Dr. H or Tofu are scum, at least not enough to lynch them. I felt like the VE case was alright, but as we get closer to the deadline and how people are acting about it, I'm less sure. Lynching someone like Malongo feels like a waste and a coinflip.
I'm a bit back and forth on Strongandbig, and someone else who's sticking out to me a bit now that I'm looking at more filters is Hiro. He's playing very neutrally and making an effort to explain things or ask questions while not really doing too much. For example, he hasn't offered much on who the thinks scum are besides quite lightly pushing Sloosh, but not putting too much effort into getting him lynched. He says he thinks sloosh is scum, votes for him, but in his later posts never mentions him again, even though he isn't leading in votes. It makes it seem like he doesn't care that much who gets lynched.
So, probably one of those two. Strongandbig I'm going back and forth on, and after reading again, Hiro looks scummy.
A better question, is who do you think is scum? If your behaviour is on purpose to see who would call you scum, how am I supposed to think you're town? It's quite WIFOM-y isn't it?
Are you Vivax's special friend? Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: So you're the only person who noticed I was basically playing my scum meta so you're smart enough for me to PM. If you could lynch someone other than me who would it be?
Also keep pushing me in the thread, I'd rather you not reveal I've PM'd you.
His excuse for playing as scum the first two days was that it would trick scum into voting for the easy bandwagon. But, with all the flips, that obviously wasn't the case.
As for who the SK is, pick your poison. Behaviourally, MZ is incredibly absent. I haven't talked to him much since Day 2, but he hasn't forced the issue of talking to me either, besides one PM. As well, in his PMs with Rayn that got linked, he says "Let's solve the game!", but then he only gives a half-assed read on me and calls Marv an SK. It's clear he doesn't really care about figuring out who scum are. Marv on the other hand has more mechanics evidence against him in the form of the checks. Everyone's yelling he was framed or that MZ is a miller, but an easy explanation is that FirmTofu was framed on Night 1. With two parity cops, a framer isn't impossible, but no one seems to care. Marv is happy to scream that he has a green check, but the checks aren't useful since both only got 2 checks off, so there's no reference for tampering. As well, there looks to be a missing KP on Night 2, and it was on Day 3 that sloosh said Marv checked as an SK. No one claimed the extra KP on Night 1, or on Night 4, and no one claimed a hit on Night 2. So, it's not inconceivable that scum hit him, he didn't die, and they know there's extra KP, so they know there's an SK, and have a good idea that it's him. He's also just OMGUS-ing everyone who calls him scum, which makes him look worse and petulant. So, choose between the guy who doesn't care at all and is sort of floating along, and the guy who seems to care to much and has mechanics evidence against him. If the next scum who knows he's going to be lynched would just come out and tell the thread what mafia know about an SK, it would probably make things easier for their team.
The only person who looks exceedingly towny to me is Koshi. Rayn looks ok too, but the pardoner stuff means he should still have a little suspicion on him.
My gut's telling me VA looks towny, but maybe not. Kush is probably scum just trying to fit in. I'm not sure what to think of mocsta since he replaced in. His posts look good, but it's not hard to do that when you can start off fresh.
I don't see a real case against me, so here's my equally belaboured defense: + Show Spoiler +
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Correct me if im wrong but the checks are marv and ft same alignment Marv and mz opposite alignment. Don't really see why people keep talking about the checks like it's not cut and dry.
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Okay lynch Wiggles. He is scum and so is VA.
MZ is probably SK but Wiggles and VA are pretty damn sure the last scum remaining.
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##Unvote: ##Vote: Mr.Wiggles
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No fuck.. I really need to think about this..
Who is willing to vote for MZ? Or rather, if you are not, why? Look at the fucking checks people.--
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Yah I'm not too impressed with wiggles last post. Still seems like we should lynch the scummy guy with a red check though
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Yeah kill kush after wiggles if you lynch me.
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On July 30 2013 04:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah kill kush after wiggles if you lynch me. So marv is not scum any more?
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On July 30 2013 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah kill kush after wiggles if you lynch me. So marv is not scum any more? Could you people kindly read my filter -_-
For the last time no. Marv is not scum, besides I believe I said he was the sk and not scum. The circumstances required for marv to be antitown are too unlikely.
ffs I have been pushing wiggles for like two days now.
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