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On July 29 2013 10:56 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 10:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
and yea I'm sure wiggles has been busy for like 2 weeks now or whatever it is but conveniently has had time to vote for every cycle xD
any1 else find that post rayn just made weird? You, of all the guys do not trust night checks / kills. You, the same guy who says "i don't do shit on D1 because of no information from night phase" is now ignoring the night actions. You push on some retarded conspiracy theories over a confirmed cop checks assuming a godfather AND a miller AND they happened to be checked the same night by 2 different confirmed parity cops? I think you are trying to look better when Wiggles turns up scum, because SK!meapak now if alive has to help mafia, because you are in a fucking bad spot. A few things here I'm not ignoring the night actions. In fact due to the night actions and how wiggles has acted it makes him more scummy. I pushed a "retarded conspiracy theory" yesterday for my vote on marv. Why the sudden change in attitude over one that is wayyy less farfetched? IM NOT ASSUMING A GODFATHER FOR THE LAST TIME. I know its tough to read since I fail at it a lot too but you seriously need to re-read. I ONLY THINK MEAPAK IS MILLER. NOWHERE DO I THINK MARV IS GODFATHER. MEAPAK THINKS MARV IS GODFATHER.ok now that you hopefully understand that. Yea I'm bussing my last partner for cred when I can get shot at by SK at any moment and lose the game there. When I refused to bus my other teammate SnB at a way more convienent time. That makes so much fucking sense how did I not see that! Please think logically about what I just said and realize that just as I was wrong about you, you are wrong about me here. Its borderline retarded.
Then why are you not voting for Meapak because there is the "same" check on marv - FT?
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you just highlighted your own answer. Meapak is miller. FT/Marv town. thats what I think.
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If you want to continue this then ask me to mason you because I have very few posts left for this phase
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You don't think Meapak's logic is flawed here?
Meapak thinks marv is GF, he is miller -> cop has "different" check on them. MAKES SENSE!
Why again are you not voting for Meapak?
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Oh I finally get what you are saying. You should have just said that first.
Okay yea meapak needs to explain that.
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That's why i said his post was full of shit. When i say stuff like that people need to reread those posts. If they don't i think they are scum.
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On July 29 2013 11:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You don't think Meapak's logic is flawed here?
Meapak thinks marv is GF, he is miller -> cop has "different" check on them. MAKES SENSE!
Why again are you not voting for Meapak?
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I think this is nitpicking.
Yes the statement is illogical, and I get you are arguing it.
However, consider that you know you are town, and ppl think u have a red check.
Its natural to just throw out things that would make you red... Frame/miller etc.
That's logical of town or scum, and thus I think is nitpicking and certainly does not warrant a vote in isolation.
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1. I am not lynching mz full stop.
As I pointed out earlier, all flipped scum tried to push mz as a lynch throughout both early and mid game.
In particular snb.
This is relevant because with snb shooting ace, he was basically a goon. There was no benefit to be gained by bussing mz in that situation. Let's give snb some respect here please.
2. You guys all have a hard on for Marv being town, when his explanation for the green check was , he would never choose godfather over bulletproof if the choice existed.
Its ironic, because Marv replaced in. The decision would have actually laid with hapa, if SK.
I have played with Marv many times. and personally feel there is a consistency in his town play. whether a great town Marv in Mafia lix..or a struggling town Marv in personality2. His game play this game does not fall into any of those moulds.
Regardless, there is no traction here today. Moving on.
3. Kush. My issue here stems from meta and my difficulties with town kush in smurf Mafia. I'm not getting the same vibe at all. personally i feel his filter is more evident of someone throwing rocks from the bench, rather than one trying to actively solve the game.
Its disappointing koshi decided to ignore kush meta when throwing my criticisms back at me. Ohh well... We can deal with this next cycle.
4. Rayn. Is standing by not using the power. My suggestion is, if we successfully reduce Mafia down to one. We should auto lynch rayn next cycle. If he is town, he can pardon himself. If SK/???. He will be lynched because he used power
5. I can live with a wiggles lynch this cycle.. His filter reads to me as a blender, and at this point in the game he is essentially afk.
##vote: wiggles
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On July 22 2013 08:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Actually lets make a deal vayne, we lynch sloosh. He flips town, we kill rayn. He flips scum, we kill you.
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Mz. How come u never really followed through with this?
U noted wiggles was suspect for last minute voting Marv when snb was lynched.
I'm sure u have noted vayne voted for Marv as well.
Where do u stand currently?
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occam's razor says marv is town, I thought it was obvious by my last post that I would rather focus on other things than him. I want wiggles to die and I want him to die today.
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Freudian slip.
Read the quote. Substitute Marv for vayne.
I have done a detailed filter read on both kush and vayne.
I personally don't like kush, but COULD see him as town.
Vayne on the other hand has some characteristics that are sounding large bells.
Specifically he loves to debate semantics that have no major bearing on scum hunting, and then glosses over game changers.
E.g. his reaction the snb firing a vig shot was to pass it off as not alignment indicative.
Where I get stuck with vayne is stuff like pointing out the korynne role pm. I found that really useful because as soon. As a I saw red pardoner I just assumed it was the logic puzzle that solved rayn so never actually read the pm... I guess the converse is that if he was scum, he was already award of korynne deficiency so it was natural to be able to point this out?
I still want a wiggles lynch. Don't get me wrong, he is my focus for lynch.
I'm just trying to stimulate more Convo.
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@Mocsta
I might have reacted too harshly in my previous post towards you. I guess that it is possible that kush is scum, however, he is not on my radar then. My top candidates are still the same.
It's also funny when I first brought up the MZ being miller(one out of 4 possibilities mz/marv were both not scum) story VA called me stupid, MZ said it was farfetched, while I had a perfect based scumplay around that.
2 scumflips later VA is saying MZ is being the miller without any reasoning behind that, while MZ also simple accepted the fact he might be the miller.
Scared scum when I first brought it up? I would say yes.
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Koshi I was initially reluctant to think there was a miller because a) marv wasn't confirmed and b) I thought all roles were in the OP. Now that marv is confirmed and the sk is confirmed miller seems like a reasonable explanation for how marv and I are different.
Again, occams razor says marv is town so I have to figure out why I am the different one.
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VA. You would agree that you look insanely scummy right now? After the SnB flip you were advoacting that we had to look at the people voting SnB without reason, now after the Kyronne flip you are currently voting for Wiggles.
You do realise that you are the 4th guy that was off the SnB wagon?
Can we get some SK hunting in here or are we going to ignore that problem? If we would get the SK this lynch that would be perfect for town. So why are we ignoring it?
My list is still the same. With marv being on top, this was his defense on my previous accusation:
On July 28 2013 23:28 marvellosity wrote:
I'm clearly not the SK. I have a greencheck on me. What's wrong with you people?
1) there's no reason to believe SK gets to "choose" between alignment/one-shotbulletproof
even given 1),
2) I WOULD NEVER CHOOSE TO APPEAR GREEN OVER BULLETPROOF. I've been shot more times playing mafia than almost all of you have played games of mafia.
There's approximately a 0% chance I'm SK at this stage, just on basic logic and deduction.
Anyone pushing that line of thinking is highly suspicious or very stupid.
I love Mocsta for pointing out that hapa was able to choose green or bulletproof. That makes marv his second point perfect. Because he doesn't lie and he hides the fact he is the SK because of that.
Also, why would the SK be able to choose between bulletproof and greencheck? Where did that come from? Maybe it was just being green in the setup? It looks like scum has only 1 KP this game or SK was able to always overlap with scum. So bulletproof looks pretty unlikely.
Can we please discuss the SK issue? I am pretty sure that we found them scummies.
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Actually, after reading that defense again. I am missing something.
1) there's no reason to believe SK gets to "choose" between alignment/one-shotbulletproof
Why do you say that marv? Could you be the SK with a greencheck? Why not?
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On July 29 2013 11:38 Mocsta wrote:
I have played with Marv many times. and personally feel there is a consistency in his town play. whether a great town Marv in Mafia lix..or a struggling town Marv in personality2. His game play this game does not fall into any of those moulds.
Regardless, there is no traction here today. Moving on.
Yeah, guess who was the last donkey to try to make this argument against me? Yeah, s&b. Fine company you're keeping.
Koshi is looking worse and worse for pushing me as SK. It's senseless. It's gone beyond the point where it's a reasonable tunnel, because it's not reasonable anymore. You don't just assume an SK will check green. I'm one of the least likely candidates for SK for that reason alone, so the push on me is totally retarded or mafia-oriented. Depends how you lot view Koshi I guess.
P.S. Hapa gets shot all the time as town too, like me he would obviously choose bulletproof (IF THE CHOICE EVEN EXISTED.) Just such stupid, stupid setup speculation Koshi is involving himself in. Awful.
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I don't do anything else then speculate because you people don't argue. You people just shoot ideas down. Again you are just calling it bad play and you are not discussing with me why it is impossible.
The fact that you are calling me scum is beyond hilarious. But it is in line with your game, you are calling everybody 50/50 cases to keep us all in the dark on what you really think.
MZ is leaning town for you, VA is leaning town for you, I am leaning scum now?
HOW THE FUCK am I leaning scum? I pushed the snb lynch and I was right about kyronne.
You do realise I could just as easily joined this LETS LYNCH INTO MARV/MZ atmosphere and had you fucking lynched? Kush was also doubting and was also tempted to vote you, it was I who fucking partly saved you and condemned SnB who I have been pushing since forever.
People that are in my book town:
-Kush
-Rayn
-Mocsta
-Koshi
People that are SK:
-Marv
-MZ
People that are scum:
-VA
-Wiggles
Obviously there is wiggle room. But let me remind you people again. I was right about SnB, I was right about Kyronne, I saw way before you people the possibilty of MZ being the miller, I was eventually right about oats.
I am on a hotstreak. Keep calling my calls bad please. And keep seeing them turn correct time after time after time.
Hilarious.
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If you're not scum, then it's the totally retarded option. I did give the choice after all.
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And I just said why it was terrible play. I assume reading isn't your forte or something. Or basic logic. But whatevs.
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THE REASON YOU ARE GIVING IS THAT IT IS UNLIKELY THAT THE SK HAS A GREENCHECK. THATS THE ONLY REASON YOU GIVE WHY YOU AREN'T THE SK.
UNLIKELY WORKS FOR ME. IT WAS UNLIKELY THAT MZ WAS THE MILLER 24 HOURS AGO. HOW IS EVERYBODY FEELING ABOUT THAT NOW?
NOW GIVE ME A GOOD REASON.
#vote marv
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