EPTOn June 25 2013 00:35 fyfy wrote:
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On June 25 2013 00:04 Onegu wrote: Looking over Alakaslam's filter it is really bad. He posts fluff about dinner promiseing to make real posts after he is finished, but then all he posts is something about bbc code amd the scum coach not really looking into anything real. Why bring up the scum coach? Because what FirmTofu did was so bad it messed US up. (Remember?). So I thought maybe Ace may have coached him to do that and looked him up. He does make super long posts. The stuff of substance was more along the lines of explaining the fluff, yes, but reminding you- that I was stating that I am a rampant fanboy of Blazinghand, Kenpachi, Hapahuli, and Coagulation. I didn't go into that much detail but there it is. So you want substance? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mOHGjne.jpg) Here is Blazinghand's Venn diagram. Lets look at what makes sense about your claims regarding me. On June 24 2013 14:11 Alakaslam wrote: Doesn't town want to make lots of scum reads early and get people to defend themselves? Proving innocence is a great goal for us, and helps to narrow down the scum list so that no-lynch is less likely to happen. Then again, good point regarding spicy and whatnot. Hopefully, cases will flesh out and things will become clearer. Personally I don't have any reads yet, still reading thread. As Scum, does it make ANY sense to point out that we should be accusing each other? Yet I did this. This just does not fall in the category of things it makes sense for scum to do. I do agree that much of what I have posted has been odd. You know where a lot of that comes from? + Show Spoiler + sheeping your corrections of my mistakes bro Which I appreciate but late at night it was killing my confidence. Don't worry about doing that further though. I have nothing to hide. Show me some substantial posts so far! I don't want to drop a deuce on everyone but what HAS been very useful so far? Chromatically has been attacked, hasn't really defended himself yet, but others have defended for him. Odd. Then he came in and kind of defended himself. I have attacked FirmTofu, mostly out of bitterness due to the bbcode. Aqua has been attacked, almost for attacking chromatically and for the same reason you have been and I have been- "inactivity". Note I am bound to be bad town this first game. I have learned much from you my good man. If it helps, you guide my vote until you look scummy. + Show Spoiler + a few questions for you now. Why is it bad to read meta on newbs? Wouldn't a drastic change between games hint at a role switch? And why then does my apology for citing ace cause you to say "we're fine, the games have finished" and then to turn around and call me out for it? And why, why on earth do you cite my fluff when you didn't have the sense to snip the quote either? Should have put "^^ how is this organized Alakaslam?" A it is your case is a bit hypocritical :| . . . | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hz is trying hard to appear as a contributer, without actually contributing. On June 24 2013 11:43 hzflank wrote: I noticed that too. This is Spicy's first post in his previous game, where he was town: That is quite a lot more content than his first post in this thread: This is his first post in the thread. While it might not seem like a big deal, I don't like that he doesn't have a casual opening post. He was present at the beginning of the game, so why wouldn't he post something like everyone else did? It indicates that he is uncomfortable in the thread. To avoid being seen as a lurker, hz siezes on the first thing that he can: he basically repeats what I said about Spicy. He's posting just for the sake of posting, because this post is purely a restatement of what has already been said. He does this again later, in the NN/claim clusterfuck, even though I had already said all of this: On June 24 2013 12:24 hzflank wrote: Another reason why I do not think NN should claim is that the scum ideally want to kill good town roles and the last townie they want to kill is the NN. While the NN does not claim they may be targeted for a night kill, and I would much prefer NN to be night killed that for a tracker etc to be night killed. On June 24 2013 12:01 hzflank wrote: That would be a risky claim though, as if we do end up lynching town I would rather lynch NN than any other town member. This is also why I do not think that NN should claim though. What's the point of this post? Seriously, look at this from a town perspective and find the point that this post makes. It literally says nothing. He posts stuff that has already been said because he's trying hard to look for any way to post without actually contributing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also note the subtle playing of the "noob card" here: On June 24 2013 12:18 hzflank wrote: Fair enough. To be honest I am surprised that you got those negative comments for your first post in that thread, but then what do I know? I do not think that talk of sheeping (I had already started my post when he posted his) on day one is useful, but I do believe you as to why your first post was just the two words. "Oh, remember that I'm just a noob, so don't mind me if I don't try to find scum at all." Not inconceivable from town, but more likely from scum. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posting without really saying anything = scum ##Vote: hzflank | ||
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geript
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![[image loading]](https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1602623211/power-rangers5.jpg) Chromatically (0): fyfy (1): FirmTofu hzflank (1): Chromatically Not Voting: Hurricane Sponge Onegu Xzavier StiMaDDict fyfy hzflank Alakaslam Aquanim Spicydinosaur LoneMeow Megazord runs out of gas in [unparsable timestamp format] | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
Well Define: quality. Senseless accusations? No, there are people who have done that that there is suspicion toward. I don't see how that helps. Accusing, from me, is going to require more evidence. I'm sorry, I just don't read people very well (yet), and I don't want to do what I have been doing. Well then, does aiding town count? "Shouldn't town be accusing and whatnot because it establishes innocence and is how you scumhunt etc etc" paraphrase. "Oh meta is allowed? People have decided they want meta? Here you go, last three newbie games, top of page 13!  ""Well shit* guys I posted nothing but fluff, really sorry about that" See the above Venn diagram, read my filter, then put it in context reading the thread. It's not scum play it's just try hard bad town. Give me a day/ night cycle and it won't be so bad, more info and I might find one. *earlier I was putting [expletive]. My PC is also linked to my workplace. | ||
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fyfy
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Onegu
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
See how I roll? Am I going to make those accusations? Maybe (I'm kind of doing just that) but in this case, it's because he already has a vote, and I am thinking of helping a bandwagon. I WANT firm to show up as town, I am super nervous about mislynching! But I need to make a case it seems, and this is what I got because frankly I don't see any great cases yet. ##Vote: FirmTofu Out because work | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On June 25 2013 01:05 Onegu wrote: It is bad to connect meta on noobs because depending on what worked one game and what didnt work they will change how they play, meta is forming patterns based on peoples play, you cannot form a pattern on what someone did after only 2 -3 games. And I was refering to your asking about ongoing games when I said we are fine because we are citing games already finished, it had nothing to do with who you are citing but what you are asking about. I want you to form cases based on peoples posts and ask questions not go find old games and base you thoughts on what a coach did in one of his old games. ##unvote: FirmTofu. Will try to fix mess after work. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
His opinion about meta is really wierd, but I think it's town-based. Would scum be willing to stand out and draw so much attention to themselves for no reason by espousing an unpopular opinion? I don't think so. I don't like how conciliatory he is about his read on you ("I am not saying you are definitely scum or anything like that."), that feels like he's trying not to cause waves. In general though, he seems comfortable in-thread and he's freely posting. Also, On June 24 2013 12:36 FirmTofu wrote: I actually do believe Spicydinosaur is scummy, but not for the reasons that Hurricane Sponge states. In all of his posts, he is extremely defensive. At the slightest mention of someone accusing him of anything, he flares up in his own defense. This could be due to his personality or it could be that he is extremely afraid of getting lynched. If it is indeed the latter, he is likely to be a powerful role, town or mafia. This is my preliminary assessment. (It's funny that this real analysis is in agreement with my fluff analysis at the beginning of the game) I think the first sentence shows a clear town urge to find scum. As scum, it would be easy to sheep Sponge's read on you. He feels that it's necessary to clarify his personal reasoning, though, which means that he's honestly thinking about who is scum. | ||
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Chromatically
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On June 25 2013 01:39 Chromatically wrote: No one has any opinions on hz? Town at this point he doesnt have many posts but what he does post are scum hunts and his view on the NN idea, not much fluff amd not any sheeping. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 25 2013 01:39 Chromatically wrote: No one has any opinions on hz? Just got done reading it. I completely agree on your first point as I had a similar feeling. The one thing I've been liking out of him was his conversation with tofu. He really seems to be trying to push tofu and actually getting a good reaction out of him. On June 24 2013 13:52 hzflank wrote: Maybe you prefer the term Poking to Attacking, it makes no difference to me as I am an RTS player by nature and so I attack for information. I read your filter several times, so it is not a case of me being lazy with my reading. I did not say that you can count on my vote on Spicy. I will rephrase what I said to make it less ambiguous: I am wondering if Firm thinks that he can count on my vote on Spicy, and therefore thinks that Spicy is a good lynch target. Got a null read atm. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 25 2013 01:23 Chromatically wrote: I've been feeling Tofu as town. His opinion about meta is really wierd, but I think it's town-based. Would scum be willing to stand out and draw so much attention to themselves for no reason by espousing an unpopular opinion? I don't think so. I don't like how conciliatory he is about his read on you ("I am not saying you are definitely scum or anything like that."), that feels like he's trying not to cause waves. In general though, he seems comfortable in-thread and he's freely posting. Also, I think the first sentence shows a clear town urge to find scum. As scum, it would be easy to sheep Sponge's read on you. He feels that it's necessary to clarify his personal reasoning, though, which means that he's honestly thinking about who is scum. The bolded part what bothers me. Trying not to make waves is a perfect way to go unnoticed in a game. Too much activity and everyones looking at you, too little and your a lurker who gets a big spotlight on you. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On June 25 2013 01:57 Onegu wrote: Town at this point he doesnt have many posts but what he does post are scum hunts and his view on the NN idea, not much fluff amd not any sheeping. What do you mean "not much fluff and not any sheeping"? That's pretty much the whole case. He's posted things that I've already said (sheeping) and he's posting things that say nothing (fluff). It's totally scum-motivated. The NN thing is not alignment-based, which is why I'd prefer if we stopped talking about it. It's very easy for scum to comment on, but it's possible for town to comment as well, so you can't determine anything. On June 25 2013 02:08 Spicydinosaur wrote: Just got done reading it. I completely agree on your first point as I had a similar feeling. The one thing I've been liking out of him was his conversation with tofu. He really seems to be trying to push tofu and actually getting a good reaction out of him. Got a null read atm. Fair enough, but I'm not convinced by his attack on Tofu. It came only after I specifically asked him, and he doesn't push it at all. He's not even convinced enough to vote him. In addition, look at this post: On June 24 2013 12:07 hzflank wrote: But on day one, is that not all we have to go off of? Just a few posts later, hz says that Tofu is his scumread. But does this post sound like hz is talking to his scumread? It's phrased in a non-confrontational manner. It sounds like he's talking to someone he thinks is town, even though he's claiming that it's his scumread. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On June 25 2013 02:12 Spicydinosaur wrote: The bolded part what bothers me. Trying not to make waves is a perfect way to go unnoticed in a game. Too much activity and everyones looking at you, too little and your a lurker who gets a big spotlight on you. Yeah, that's the part that I agree with you on; it's what bothers me most about him so far. I think that overall the townie stuff outweighs it (for now, at least). | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On June 25 2013 02:12 Spicydinosaur wrote: The bolded part what bothers me. Trying not to make waves is a perfect way to go unnoticed in a game. Too much activity and everyones looking at you, too little and your a lurker who gets a big spotlight on you. Awesome point, work lull so SPICY AND ONEGU YOU ARE SCUMBUDDIES DEFENSE YOURSELFS + Show Spoiler + look at me everyone, LOOK at me and see that I am town! Press me, press me hard because 1. That's how I get better at town and 2. Because I am drawing suspicion as town which doesn't help town. And therefore, in the interests of town, if I am scum I am suiciding! THESE ARE MY TOWNREADS. DO AS THEY DO! Nonetheless, defend yourselves. You've both been attacked (especially you, spicy!). I have made a baseless claim of guilt on you two, nevertheless defend it. Why should I think what I do? Prove yourselves town, then lead it! LETS GO SEE YOU AFTER WORK | ||
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FirmTofu
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FirmTofu
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