• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:57
CEST 21:57
KST 04:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League36Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164Rollback Netcode in Brood War1355.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0
StarCraft 2
General
Server Blocker SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact No more sc2 streamers on team liquid? Stellar Fest 2 Replay Pack Terran AddOns placement
Tourneys
WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Mineral gathering rate (boosted) for each patch Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12270 users

Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII - Page 99

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 97 98 99
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
July 08 2013 03:21 GMT
#1961
I see what you're saying about the rest of the situation (particularly why Onegu had to claim as scum too), but personally I think a scum Alakaslam would almost have had no choice other than to counterclaim at that point...

If you look at the playerlist at that point:
+ Show Spoiler +

FirmTofu
Hurricane Sponge
hzflank
Aquanim

Onegu
Alakaslam
Spicydinosaur
LoneMeow
StiMaDDict

The green indicates the people who I think scum could not reasonably count on mislynching (if Alakaslam was scum). If Onegu goes uncounterclaimed he's almost certain not to be lynched, and after that there aren't enough mislynches in the town for scum to win. If they secure an Onegu mislynch, even if Alakaslam is lynched afterwards, they only need to make sure the last null-zone townie is lynched before both of them - a reasonable proposition.

You said that scum can't trade 1 for 1 because the numbers aren't in their favour, but if you look at the math in this way:
- Scum need two mislynches to win
- Town need three scum lynches to win
a 1 for 1 trade might actually benefit scum.

Also, momentum was building for an Alakaslam lynch prior to his claim - without that claim, I think we'd have either lynched him or (possible) policy-lynched StiM. Trading his likely lynch for a chance of a lynch into a town PR would have been worthwhile IMO.

The whole thing about not understanding the ramifications of his claim should have been a tell but I've always been mistrustful of such tells, even though they generally turn out to be correct :/

This is pretty much a repeat of the argument I made at the time. Obviously it turned out not to be correct, but I think it offers a reasonable justification for why a scum Alakaslam would have "counterclaimed" Onegu. Is there some flaw with this argument I've missed?
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 05:04:06
July 08 2013 05:01 GMT
#1962
As you pointed out, hes counterclaiming to get a chance at a 1-1 trade with a town powerrole. You cant ever be sure who the town is going to side with in these situations, even if you have an answer for every question and seem to be making sense, sometimes, someone says the right thing at the right time and you end up dead first anyway. The town lynches him first, confirms Onegu as town, things start looking very dire - if not a complete throw of the game. I'd suspect scum might be trying to deflect onto someone else instead of stepping in to claim here - Stim, the afk, for example.

I don't think hurricane would have been above lynching if Alakaslam flipped scum. He would have to explain what he was doing visiting a scum player, making it equal parts likely that he is the scum Framer himself or NN. Considering he opened the game with a plan asking the NN to claim, yet never did himself, if he claimed NN on D2 when everything went sideways, id want to lynch him on the spot.

The biggest problem with Onegu's story was simply: 'what the hell was he doing by watching someone like Alakaslam'. Watcher is a defensive role, it goes on your town reads. I know it was thrown around this game that he might have been hunting for the framer, but that wasn't even confirmed to be in the game. You know there are scum in the game, watch your biggest town read so that when he dies, you have caught the scum that delivers the KP. Fundamentally this is where the story fell down and why he should have been lynched first. When Onegu claimed he said 'I saw my biggest town read visit Alakaslam', why in all-good-christ would you out your biggest town read as also being a blue if you were town. Alakaslam tracking Onegu makes sense considering thread sentiment at the time. You cant always count on someone to use their powers correctly, but when claims come forward with such sub-optimal usage, be very wary.

Yes, anything is possible, but you need to look at what is probable. That's what this game is about, nothing is certain except what comes from your hosts.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 22:39:20
July 16 2013 22:39 GMT
#1963
Prev 1 97 98 99
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 15h 3m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1162
IndyStarCraft 275
SteadfastSC 172
UpATreeSC 97
JuggernautJason88
Railgan 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15158
Calm 1785
Shuttle 841
Horang2 279
Soulkey 185
BeSt 169
Dewaltoss 129
ProTech119
firebathero 103
Mini 74
[ Show more ]
Sexy 34
sorry 11
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1465
shoxiejesuss1261
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby4438
Liquid`Hasu518
Other Games
FrodaN895
ceh9729
Beastyqt716
TKL 462
mouzStarbuck335
KnowMe226
C9.Mang0197
Pyrionflax193
Chillindude16
MindelVK11
fpsfer 1
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 209
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 17
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV895
League of Legends
• TFBlade852
Other Games
• imaqtpie1351
• Shiphtur1141
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
15h 3m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 4h
The PondCast
1d 14h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 15h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
FEL
4 days
FEL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.