EPTWhat did you think of my idea for a scum play?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417692¤tpage=83#1656
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
What did you think of my idea for a scum play? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417692¤tpage=83#1656 | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On July 06 2013 06:32 StiMaDDict wrote: uhh, this is bit awkward. Since now everyone think I'm a hardcore lurker, regardless of my ailment in future games, even if I'm active in forum, I'll be suspicious? Dang.. I wouldnt think so. If you are active and scum hunting (or good at faking it) then you'll look town. What would someone say.... that your meta is you're a lurker in 2 newbie games... not a lynchable argument. I wouldnt worry too much unless you think you wont be active because of RL. Then just tell everyone pre-game before alignment goes out so it wont be an issue. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
On July 06 2013 06:37 Spicydinosaur wrote: I wouldnt think so. If you are active and scum hunting (or good at faking it) then you'll look town. What would someone say.... that your meta is you're a lurker in 2 newbie games... not a lynchable argument. I wouldnt worry too much unless you think you wont be active because of RL. Then just tell everyone pre-game before alignment goes out so it wont be an issue. That would be the greatest scumplay in the history of mankind. "He's too pro-town to be town. Lynch him." | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On July 06 2013 06:32 StiMaDDict wrote: uhh, this is bit awkward. Since now everyone think I'm a hardcore lurker, regardless of my ailment in future games, even if I'm active in forum, I'll be suspicious? Dang.. The main problem with your play isn't so much the lurking, but the fact that you really like to drop in only once per lynch cycle and close-ish to the deadline. What you usually do is to come in a few hours before lynch, drop a case and a vote on someone and go away without really discussing any other topics, which makes it very hard to get useful reads on you, which in itself is somewhat anti-town, so people will suspect you. If you're actively participating I doubt many will want to lynch you just for your previous playstyle. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On July 06 2013 06:51 StiMaDDict wrote: If I get to be scum, would it be a good play? Afterall, I didn't get lybched in either of my first two games. Maybe. It doesn't allow you to push for a mislynch very effectively though. Or even defend yourself if someone starts pushing for your lynch, as if you've been trying to play as an AFK lurker but suddenly spring to defend yourself it'll easily look suspicious, too... | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
P.S. HAHAHAHA I told y'all that Spicy and Onegu were mafia!!!  | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
TIL: Messing around on the edge of being mislynched from start to finish of a game is bad for one's nerves | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
 Still balanced but Town has less room for error. My condensed analysis of this game would be that once myself and StiM became townreads there were simply too many "unlynchable" townies for scum to win. Fundamentally scum needed three mislynches, and they just weren't in the game to be had at that point. There just wasn't anything to discuss from day 4 onwards. In particular, in terms of my analysis Spicy played a decent game but sheer process of elimination left him as the only possible scum. On July 06 2013 06:51 StiMaDDict wrote: If I get to be scum, would it be a good play? Afterall, I didn't get lybched in either of my first two games. Meh... at least as far as I'm concerned, the reason I didn't want to lynch you was some towntells you dropped (which you wouldn't have done as scum). If you were scum and played a lurky style of the same magnitude I think you'd quite likely get lynched. If you play a little more active town will be so thankful they'll let you get away with murder (literally). | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
What exactly did people see in me that made them think I was town? It's my play but even I'm not so sure XD Only thing I can think of is when asked questions and voted Onegu at the end of Day2. | ||
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
On July 06 2013 08:58 ObviousOne wrote: To those who reached out to me for coaching: would you like to see me coach town again? Could you coach Survivor if I become one? | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On June 24 2013 11:04 Chromatically wrote: Why so scummy, Spicy? | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On July 06 2013 11:50 StiMaDDict wrote: @Aquanim What exactly did people see in me that made them think I was town? It's my play but even I'm not so sure XD Only thing I can think of is when asked questions and voted Onegu at the end of Day2. IIRC it was your confusion about the ramifications of Alakaslam and Onegu's fakeclaims. I figured a scum would have a better idea of what was going on from reading the scum QT. It's hardly the kind of thing that I like to base a townread on since I think it could possibly be faked, but under the circumstances... Your posts in day 4 also read as very town to me. On July 06 2013 11:35 geript wrote: The goal of this setup that WoS, Cora and myself had discussed was to have an investigation heavy setup. My goal was that 3 mislynches would mean scum wins, which feels fine to me. I think most of the actions taken were quite good. Like I said, I think the setup was balanced - just a different dynamic to most of the recent newbies that I've seen, which appears to have been your intention. Thanks to you guys for hosting this game, I enjoyed myself and I think you did a good job (even if there was a hiccup or two )+ Show Spoiler [my shameful hosting story] + The first time I hosted a Mafia game IRL I modconfirmed a cop and broke the game... particularly sad since the two remaining scum were the towniest-looking players by far and had the game on lockdown The third scum had been nightkilled (by scum) night 1 since he didn't look up during the night and I was too stunned by their choice to fix it :/ At least the game was hilarious, everyone wanted to play another after that | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On July 06 2013 12:10 Chromatically wrote: On June 25 2013 15:49 Aquanim wrote: ...There could well be scum in this group but I'm not nearly as confident about any one of them as I am about you and Onegu. Now if only either of us had retained those reads at the end of Night 1... | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
On July 06 2013 12:22 Aquanim wrote: Now if only either of us had retained those reads at the end of Night 1... My early poke was on Spicy (and Xzavier) too. I remember we pondered the fact that he was so crazy defensive early. @StiM: I took the leap of faith on you being town when you said this: On June 29 2013 11:09 StiMaDDict wrote: And btw.. God damn it. Onegu was mafia last game. This ain't fair I know it's not much, but for some reason, I just felt like someone who was in scum chat all game wouldn't say something like this. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On July 06 2013 11:50 StiMaDDict wrote: @Aquanim What exactly did people see in me that made them think I was town? It's my play but even I'm not so sure XD Only thing I can think of is when asked questions and voted Onegu at the end of Day2. In my experience. + Show Spoiler + (which is short in this game)(so dont listen to me, but do think about what I say.) It is very very hard for a person(you) to see why other people(us) see person(you) as town or scum. When most people I have played with say, " but I was townie town I did X" , then its usually true that doing or not doing X actually had very little weight in my decision/guess about what PM I thought they received. People seem to think its concrete things, like, asked questions voted this or that. (which are easily observable and changeable behaviours, hence for me often poor WIFOMY scum tells. Though they do have weight too.) IIRC voting for onegu when you did looked townie, but one possible (less likely) scum story for it ... if the scum QT had wifomed themselves into thinking he(onegu) was dead meat and they wanted to seriously pencil in the three man lylo play if it came down to Stim then they might be willing to risk something to buy Stim some townyness now. Note: I don't actually care if that is or is not a good idea for a scum, it is always possible scum are not making good plays.... Also scum often split their votes on a scumVtown lynch. As for what made you look town, if I could just tell you then you(and everyone) could just do that as scum, _unless_ it was something that is hard to do as scum. My current best guess is that if you try to write this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19007111 when you actually have a scum PM, it will look different. It will look different in ways you will find very hard to avoid. That the game is hard like that is why it is fun and challenging. That the post would have disagreed with my personal interpretation of the events is not as important, as me believing that is you trying to work that out. + Show Spoiler + Why was you green? it was green because IMO there are players on the forum that can make that post or its equivalent as scum. For them merely making that post is not a significant town tell. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On July 06 2013 05:49 Chromatically wrote: I still think that "scumslip" could just as easily be a miswording from a townie. "You have to remember that scum have a tracker" ==> "You have to remember that scum could have a tracker" and the rest of his point works just as well. ^^proof once again that Blazinghand is always right. | ||
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