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Day 5
The booming voice that had made himself known just a short time ago pondered what was before him. This actually turned out to be quite interesting. Too bad the Doctor had to bow out so soon. He went down much more quickly than he had expected, while these others have had the resilience to continue to survive. Oh well, he'll just have to make do with those who are left. He then opened the trap door beneath Oatsmaster to send to him back to the pen he kept him in. As he did so, there was a faint glow elsewhere in the room, but it disappeared before he noticed.
Oatsmaster the Weeping Angel has been lynched!
Role PMs: + Show Spoiler + You are one of the Weeping Angels AKA "the only psychopaths in the universe to kill you nicely" because you feed on people by sending them back time (except for when you break someone’s neck when you get full, then it’s not so nice). You control a puppet on the board. It is indistinguishable from a normal player and can do everything they do including lowering your movement speed when it sees you. Your puppet’s movement speed is [redacted].
You also have the ability to stalk your prey. You can only use this ability on players up to [redacted] tiles away and using it prevents you from moving normally that turn. It allows you to imitate a player's movement automatically and get as close as possible. If the stalked player moves toward you, you won't imitate that movement, but will instead move towards the player during that movement. If you have less movement speed than the target, you will imitate to the best of your ability. If you have more movement speed than the target, you will imitate the target and use any remaining movement to get closer to the target.
Your movement speed begins at [redacted] and increases [redacted].
Day 4 Lynch
Oatsmaster (4): deconduo, phagga, mkfuba07, [UoN]Sentinel, mkfuba07
[UoN]Sentinel (1): phagga, mkfuba07, Oatsmaster
deconduo (0): [UoN]Sentinel, Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster
phagga (0): mkfuba07, Oatsmaster
mkfuba07 (0): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster has been lynched! Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake.
It is now Day 5. The lynch will happen in at 20:00 GMT (+00:00). With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Remember to send in all actions to both hosts by the lynch.
The link to the game board is below.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDE49k3WlYidFhsN0hmUkZGYzluamVRbU85NzRmcWc&usp=sharing
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Hell YEAH!
Why no NK though?
Doesn't matter, I'm off to bed. Now I can sleep 
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Wait phagga, I just want to make sure. Did you move where you intended to, and did you get any PMs?
And I'm glad you guys persuaded me XD
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I saw something last night. Also I didn't move. I should probably start doing that.
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Dec wouldn't bus Oats so I believe him
He said phagga is town
I'm town
Vote: mkfuba07
But its not like you guys are going to believe me amirite
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No PM, moved where I wanted to, looks like decon and I had the same idea. More later, need to get to work.
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Ok, so: Deconduo is town, a bus seems very unlikely. This leaves Sentinel and mkfuba. I will reread both and check some older games, let's see what I can come up with. I don't know yet if I can make the deadline tomorrow.
We could theoretically no-lynch, but I don't see any reason for that. I'm confirmed town through decon's claim, and decon is very likely town through his actions, so if we no-lynch the next kill/feed will be on either him or me, which won't help the situation at all. So no no-lynch.
Angels position:
I have not seen anything. Decon says he saw something moving yesterday, sentinel today. We know the angel must feed two more times, we know one angel fed on Zephirdd. The feeding happens after the turn.
Zephirds last recored position was Q17, IIRC he claimed a movement speed of 4, so his last position was somewhere in a 45° rotated square reaching from Q13 to Q21 and from M17 to U17. One angel was right next to him and has since then moved 1 time. (last night).
Deconduo saw something N4. The rules state:If, at any time while moving, something enters your vision but does not remain there after movement is resolved, you will be notified that "You saw something last night". I wonder if its possible if Deconduo just saw Oatsmaster while moving, and then losing him out of view, resulting in the "You saw something last night"? The other explanation would be that an angel tried to get into position to feed on Deconduo for N5 (there was already a feeding on N4), thus passing him. Remember that Deconduo originally planned to just move forward one (and announced this in the thread), which would have resulted in him being on D5, and he changed his movement in the last minute going to E6. I imagine that an angel tried to get to C5 or E4, therefore missing Decon, but passing his view.
Sentinel saw something N5. If we trust this, it means that the last angel is (still?) very close to the three of us. Neither me nor deconduo have passed his view, and he has not moved himself, so that must indeed have been an angel.
I don't know if this helps us in any way, I just thought about it yesterday and today and thought I put this info out there.
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Finished moving, but no internet yet so I'm stuck on my phone and I can't view the board. I'm working on getting something rigged up though.
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No PMs to you either deconduo? Didn't see anything last night, etc?
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Hmmm...
Looks like today is gonna be another low-talk kinda day. I don't see dec bussing oats as very likely, so I feel the same way sentinel does, but reversed. Everything's in deconduo and phagga's hands, I guess.
##Vote: Sentinel
In response to phagga's post above:
I'm not really sure how much we can infer from what's gone on with kills, angel sightings, etc. It might be reasonable to assume that the angels (assuming they all have similar role PMs) have used all their "stalks" (again, assuming they can only use the power once, each). That would explain why none of them apparently ended up next to a townie last night. Or, I should say, the one remaining angel didn't. I mean, on top of that, we don't really know when all of the actions are resolved. Maybe oats was lynched before he was going to feed. Maybe, as I said earlier, no angels ended their turns next to townies. Maybe they decided not to feed last night for some reason (I can't really imagine why... but it's one of the possibilities). There's also little we can infer about the final angel's current position. Yes, sentinel says he saw something last night, but without knowing the lynch/move order we don't know which angel (the one near you guys, or the one near me) died. But, again, we can't really say. Some of these questions have a more likely answer (I'd imagine lynches occur before movement/feeding/killing), but idk, it's a lot of unknowns to get lost in.
I've got time to talk today if anyone's here. Not sure how much there is to talk about, but I'm available XD
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So, I was hoping to encourage my actual last scumread into action by voting, but I guess he really has been busy all day (or is waiting for phagga to vote so he can piggyback and secure a mislynch). In any case, I'd like everyone to look at deconduo. I spent a lot of time deciding whether or not I felt he would have fakeclaimed, and that drew my attention away from the points raised against him by others. I still think my method is valid, as only scum dec would fakeclaim, and only town dec would actually be DT, but the circumstances under which I was determining that likelihood have changed.
Anyway, all of that being said, maybe I was taking deconduo's claim for granted. Do you not feel like fakeclaiming like that would be dangerous as scum at that point in time? Is it not risky to fakeclaim when there's the possibility of you being lynched, when being caught in a fakeclaim will guarantee it? Would you fakeclaim the DT role even though the Doctor would seem like a pretty good DT candidate himself (and you can't use his name, because there's definitely a Doctor out there)? These are some thoughts that keep me believing deconduo, so if you want me to vote for him, convince me I'm wrong.
These are the reasons I gave for believing decon didn't fakeclaim. What has changed for me is my understanding of the events around the time of his claim. I'm crap at organizing my cases into easy-to-follow paragraphs and steps, so I'll just lay out everything that's led to this change of heart.
D1, the two most likely lynch candidates were vivax and deconduo. Also note that oats+vivax weren't holding back against each other starting almost instantly D1 (a willingness to bus early and pretty hard). At the time of deconduo's claim, the top candidates were oats, deconduo, and sharrant. Given that oats WAS scum, we know that his movement claim WAS a scumslip. Scum knew that *at the time*. So, at this point, they've lost one angel already, one made a pretty significant scumslip that half the players jumped on the wagon for(and that the angels KNOW was a scumslip), and the last (assuming I am correct) was the runner up for the previous day's lynch as well as the current player whose wagon is gaining momentum. THIS is a situation in which almost all of the points I raised in my D4 post are invalidated. There was MUCH more pressure on scum than I previously understood. D2, with two scum on the chopping block the day before, with the last two on the block today. At that point, how he came up with an unused name for an unused role is somewhat less important (though it's just occurred to me that Amelia Pond wasn't actually IN the episode that contained Billy Shipton, the companion at that time was Martha [the implication from this being that it was unlikely to find both Billy and Amy in the same episode, so it was probably not a name already in use]; also as someone pointed out previously, scum has all the information it needs to act as a DT).
So, given that I believe it's completely viable for deconduo to have fakeclaimed in that situation, and given that vivax and oats were so ready to bus each other, I don't see it as unreasonable for deconduo and oats to do so, in turn. So what makes him scum? Most of the stuff that Sentinel previously mentioned. What is most convincing for me is that many of his comments are either asking questions (many of which have already been answered/I somehow knew the answer already so I didn't see why it needed to be asked) or observations that are also readily apparent. When I think of his contributions this game, aside from his supposed role his questions are in the forefront. In addition, there are two people who I felt would be pretty concerned about today's lynch: deconduo and phagga. For Sentinel and I, we only had one real option. Phagga has shown some concern and effort, and I expect we would have seen more if anyone else in the game showed interest in discussion. But the only other person who really needs to figure things out is deconduo, and we've heard nothing from him but an assurance to find set up a computer soon. Even if he couldn't see the board, he could have read the thread (it's grown by like, 6 posts or something since the day started) and posted more. And now that I think of it, he could have tried to set up a check on sentinel last night, and he would have supposedly known who the final scum was. He didn't do that either. He's basically showing a complete lack of interest in the outcome of today, when I'd expect him to be one of the most concerned. Also note that we know that he's at least seen both phagga and sentinel saying that he's town, and wouldn't have bussed oats. If that doesn't lull a fakeclaiming scum into a sense of security, I don't know what would.
##Unvote
##Vote: deconduo
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Sorry for how long that post was... I've been thinking about it a lot.
And since the deadline is in 10.5 hours, I'm gonna try to get some sleep. I'll set my alarm for... I'll say 4 hours before the lynch. I'll probably hit snooze for at least an hour, though.
Guys, make the right decision. Look at how the claim and the promise of a check has helped them (two mislynches between oats's scumslip and his actual lynch). Try to see the situation from scum's point of view at the moment of deconduo's claim. It's completely reasonable for deconduo to "bus" oats because it wasn't even really a bus. It was damage control.
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sentinel, why is mkfuba scum? Convince me!
Deconduo, who is the last scum and why? I expect some sort of analysis.
mkfuba is town for the following reasons:
- He originally wanted to lynch deconduo D1, but then offered to switch to whoever town wanted to lynch. Important: He wanted to vote Vivax, but switched on Decon for consolidation. As soon as BH called for a vote switch, he immediatly switched back to Vivax, hammering him.
- His flashlight has been out for 3 consecutive nights. Why would scum not use this ability on either decon or me instead on one of themselfs?
- He was the only one to actually have been suspicious of Oats before he "slipped" with his movement. His vote on Oats seemed legit, compared to Sentinels.
- He could have hammered Deconduo with Oats and Sentinel D4. Instead he introduced a "phagga is scum" theory which even made Oats switch to me in a desperate attempt to not get lynched.
- And even now, what is this attack on deconduo? He could probably get a misslynch on Sentinel, instead he attacks the claimed DT? Does not compute.
- Kinda plays to his town meta
These are a number of small things, each looking slightly townie. If Sentinel wants me to lynch mkfuba, he needs more than that.
mffuba is scum for the following reasons:
Tell me, Sentinel, I'd like to hear.
I have more to write, need lunch first. Will also read up on mkfubas case.
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I'm convinced mk is town but I haven't the foggiest who the last scum is.
Mk could you justify why dec and oats would bus each other? assuming they are both scum
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This just occured to me:
Marv was a medic who has to stand right next to his target.
Blazinghand is the doctor who can lit up a 3x3 field
Zephirdd is vigilante who also has to stand right next to his target.
Vivax flipped standard Weeping Angel aka Goon
Oats flipped standard Weeping Angel aka Goon
If deconduo's claim is right, then town has 4 power roles vs the max of 1 scum power role. And even though this is a themed setup, this does not sound very balanced.
Imagine this: Marv is able to save one person N2, we lynch scum once and Zephirdd actually hits scum N2. Suddenly there is one scum left D3 with almost full town strength. And that's not even considering Blazinghands role. And now we ALSO have a guy who can get the alignement of people with no GF around?
This seems extremely imbalanced.
Scum needs 3 feeds, and I assume that it was close to impossible to feed N1. Also, they probably want to kill off a strong townie or two in the beginning. This means at least 4 nights => up to D5. I really can't believe that we get a 4th power role under this circumstances.
What already iffed me yesterday about deconduo is that he is not doing anything besides some setup speculation. He is not trying to figure the game out. I tried to write a huge case on Oats yesterday to make sure all townies are on him, but the longer I wrote the more I got convinced that he is town and decon scum.
I mean, sentinel isn't the beacon of towniness, but I really feel worse with deconduo than with sentinel. I think mkfubas case is spot on. let's lynch deconduo.
Vote: Deconduo
There is a high probability that I can not be around at deadline. I try my best to be available and at least check with my phone, but no guarantees.
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Sentinel, deconduo, where the hell are you guys?
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On May 24 2013 21:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm convinced mk is town but I haven't the foggiest who the last scum is.
Mk could you justify why dec and oats would bus each other? assuming they are both scum
First, the scumteam that has been revealed so far shows no signs of being afraid to bus each other. That's not all of it, but it certainly helps the thought process along. Then, there's the fact that with one scum dead N1, another one made a convincing scumslip that half the players in the game jumped on him for. Note that as opposed to the rest of town, they KNEW it was a scumslip. I imagine it's far more convincing for them than it was for us, given that they KNEW he was scum. Then, the remaining scum was the next in line to be lynched D1, as well as the "current" (at the time) lynch candidate after his own scumpartner, and tied with Sharrant. At that point, I would either be really scared, really desperate, or just generally not care all that much (would have given up) if I were scum. Any and all of these could provide motivation to fakeclaim and bus. And as I said, it was barely even bussing. It was pointing out that someone who not only slipped hard, but was also called scum by almost every dead townie in the game, was in fact scum. It was more like damage control.
There are other reasons that I believe get more into sherlocking. Such as their "oops, we both tried to occupy the same space! Guess we'll have to wait another turn to check oats!" *ohyou.jpg* Considering that we "couldn't" lynch oats until the check on him was complete, and we "couldn't" lynch deconduo because he was a claimed DT, it would have been literally impossible to lynch scum if these two were scum together. If they considered this, and deconduo understood the rules better than he appears to in the thread (which I imagine he does) then even that could have been planned. But this entire second paragraph is unnecessary. It felt very speculative, so I left it out in my first post.
Also, he still hasn't posted anything else in the thread. Maybe he just really wants to wait until he can see the board for some reason. Maybe because he can't formulate a fake PM from the hosts saying that phagga is town without knowing that he is, in fact, actually next to phagga, and only phagga. Maybe my questions earlier in this day have actually come to some use after all. But, again, really speculative. It does explain why he doesn't post only because he can't see the board, though.
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I could go with that. I do like your sherlocking, you say it's all speculation but it does offer a possible justification. When I did my case on Dec, it makes a lot more sense if both of them coordinated efforts to prolong the game some.
Vivax bussed oats as well and it got him killed... I wonder.
My head's not in this game, I'm going to go reread the debate I had with dec.
Until then
##Vote deconduo
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Goddamn the lynch is in 37 minutes? This game is slow when there's like 4 people in it.
All good though, it's the final day no matter what.
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EPT
