EPTOn April 19 2013 05:19 Zaros wrote:
i meant the council and commission not the parliament
i meant the council and commission not the parliament
The council is the 27 member governments and the commision is voted on by the parliament.
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
The council is the 27 member governments and the commision is voted on by the parliament. | ||
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farvacola
United States18813 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:23 Arctic Daishi wrote: You mean to tell me that parents are allowed to try to give their children the best healthcare and education possible? And that somehow magically transforms the bastion of freedom into a feudalistic monarchy? I am in no way indicting the rational actions of agents in society; rich people are not evil, nor are their actions. Even the system itself is not evil; this does not conflict with my insistence that "success" in the US is strongly tied to inheritance. Perhaps less so than elsewhere, but the point still stands. Again, stop with the "feudalistic monarchy"s; past a certain point, that brand of jargon really loses its usefulness. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5078 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:26 farvacola wrote: I am in no way indicting the rational actions of agents in society; rich people are not evil, nor are their actions. Even the system itself is not evil; this does not conflict with my insistence that "success" in the US is strongly tied to inheritance. Perhaps less so than elsewhere, but the point still stands. Again, stop with the "feudalistic monarchy"s; past a certain point, that brand of jargon really loses its usefulness. Not so much inheritance but on the resources available to the parents to raise the child. They benefit more from their parent's wealth as children (healthcare, education, etc.) than they do as adults, at least from the perspective of creating productive members of society out of them. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
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Believer
Sweden212 Posts
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farvacola
United States18813 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:27 DeepElemBlues wrote: Not so much inheritance but on the resources available to the parents to raise the child. They benefit more from their parent's wealth as children (healthcare, education, etc.) than they do as adults, at least from the perspective of creating productive members of society out of them. Well sure, though you could very easily posit a sort of "genealogy of success" that directly relates adulthood successes with inherited childhood resources. It certainly isn't as simple as "rich kids from rich parents". So yeah, we agree. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:23 Arctic Daishi wrote: You mean to tell me that parents are allowed to try to give their children the best healthcare and education possible? And that somehow makes the United States a feudalistic monarchy? Have you never read chomsky? Or you just enjoy sounding ignorant? | ||
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Teoman
Norway382 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:30 Believer wrote: Swede here. Strongly support monarchy and wish the king had more power. May i ask. Why? | ||
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Believer
Sweden212 Posts
I believe royals are superior to us "grunts". | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
Though the French approach to republicanism is too latin in my eyes. I'd very much appreciate some nordic rigour... as the Republic is a sacred, superhuman entity that transcends the individual will, and our only hope and goal is to serve it as we would serve mankind itself. Let impure blood water our furrows! On April 19 2013 05:38 Believer wrote: I believe royals are superior to us "grunts". Royals are but ants crawling under the feet of glorious nations. They will be stepped on sooner or later, and we will rejoice and dance under the trees. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5078 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:36 EatThePath wrote: Have you never read chomsky? Or you just enjoy sounding ignorant? Chomsky is not a serious political theorizer outside of the internet and a vocal academic fringe. That's why he has to rage about the corporate media and the corporate controlled culture shutting him out, to explain why he doesn't have more influence. So, who really is enjoying sounding ignorant here? | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6158 Posts
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Believer
Sweden212 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:38 Kukaracha wrote: Royals are but ants crawling under the feet of glorious nations. They will be stepped on sooner or later, and we will rejoice and dance under the trees. Are you a fortune teller? Or do you just like to predict the future of murder? | ||
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Oleo
Netherlands277 Posts
Democracy/Republic does not work, neither does monarchy. Either way I dont really care. Monarchy's in europe are ceremonial, fun, sort of a business card/diplomats to other countries, so I dont mind them, so let them be. In the end we have more choice concerning the people that are actually doing the ruling part of the job than americans (+- 8 relevant parties vs 2). | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
I would expect a monarch to have a much higher approval rating than an elected head of state as elections create division. A monarch can unite the people while elected officials make difficult decisions. Cultural principles are not a good thing. We are brainwashed by our culture to think that our way is the right way and all other cultures are wrong. The OP seems to think that American values are the correct values but the vast majority of non-Americans will strongly disagree with this. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:38 DeepElemBlues wrote: Chomsky is not a serious political theorizer outside of the internet and a vocal academic fringe. That's why he has to rage about the corporate media and the corporate controlled culture shutting him out, to explain why he doesn't have more influence. So, who really is enjoying sounding ignorant here? Replace Chomsky with Bourdieu : problem solved! Money is not the elite's biggest wealth; culture is. Growing up, I had no idea to which studies I was headed to, and neither did my parents. And yet I have a friend whose brother, aged 14, already knows the top 10 business schools of the country and their classification! Luckily my grandfather woke me up every morning to the sound of an opera, serving a typical Chilean breakfast while I would read books on military history. I don't know if a big fat cheque would've been a better gift, I don't think so. | ||
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Batch
Sweden692 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:30 Believer wrote: Swede here. Strongly support monarchy and wish the king had more power. Swede here as well and didn't think anyone under 30 (which I assume you are) strongly supported the monarchy,  The monarchy in Sweden is more or less Big Brother on steroids. The members of the royal family are born to be celebrities and the tabloids follow their every move. They are absolutely not all bad, they do give Sweden a fair amount of publicity abroad and help Swedish companies seal big deals in some countries. | ||
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Believer
Sweden212 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:49 Batch wrote: Swede here as well and didn't think anyone under 30 (which I assume you are) strongly supported the monarchy, The monarchy in Sweden is more or less Big Brother on steroids. The members of the royal family are born to be celebrities and the tabloids follow their every move. They are absolutely not all bad, they do give Sweden a fair amount of publicity abroad and help Swedish companies seal big deals in some countries. I am 21, supported the royals all my life. I agree that the press surrounding the royal family is sort of like the television show "Big Brother". But let's not confuse people to think that the Swedish royal family are like the origin of the phrase "Big Brother". They have no power whatsoever, except ceremonial things, like the Nobel Prize dinner and such. | ||
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farvacola
United States18813 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:51 Believer wrote: I am 21, supported the royals all my life. I agree that the press surrounding the royal family is sort of like the television show "Big Brother". But let's not confuse people to think that the Swedish royal family are like the origin of the phrase "Big Brother". They have no power whatsoever, except ceremonial things, like the Nobel Prize dinner and such. You know what they say; If you aren't at the table, chances are you are on the menu. | ||
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McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
On April 19 2013 05:38 Believer wrote: I believe royals are superior to us "grunts". Are you trolling here or something? Our king is an illiterate whore-mongering imbecile who can't even spell his own title, all but one of his children are spoiled brats with an IQ barely above sea level who live off of the sweat of hard-working people, a non-stop party with the taxpayers picking up the bill. They're like a whole band of drunk uncles who just won't leave. Revolting. Monarchy is an embarrassment, it's like a vestigial tumour from a time when we didn't know what an atom was and thought witches were responisble for soured milk. For the republics in Europe and the US, you have my sincere envy. Viva la revolucion. | ||
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