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ESL format is the nicest, since it mitigates bracket luck way more. Also the first Code S and Code A were based on spots from three huge open bracket GSL seasons.
Ro1024 is bit too much to keep doing every season for challenger qualifiers tho. Im thinking 8 simultaneous brackets of 128, winner gets the spot, 3 days - everyone gets 3 shots.
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half of NA WCS being non NA, lol such a joke, good luck esports
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On April 15 2013 10:41 rename wrote: ESL format is the nicest, since it mitigates bracket luck way more. Also the first Code S and Code A were based on spots from three huge open bracket GSL seasons.
Ro1024 is bit too much to keep doing every season for challenger qualifiers tho. Im thinking 8 simultaneous brackets of 128, winner gets the spot, 3 days - everyone gets 3 shots.
Agreed. I would prefer the ESL format for NA, rather then 1024. It has a better chance of the best players getting through. Though MLG should have a losers bracket, correct?
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Sweden326 Posts
I wonder how long this tournament will take if it ends up being 512 players, which it should. I know it's split over 2 days, but it's still a shitload of Bo3s for day 1. Also unless I'm mistaken it's starting midnight korean time? I think there will be a lot of upsets.
Seems a bit weird to have it double elimination to be honest, not like you'll have a chance to qualify anyway if you lose in the first 3 rounds because you would have to win 100 Bo3s to make it, and it will delay the tournament a lot. But will be an interesting tournament to follow anyway.
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On April 15 2013 23:16 Teoyaomqui wrote: I wonder how long this tournament will take if it ends up being 512 players, which it should. I know it's split over 2 days, but it's still a shitload of Bo3s for day 1. Also unless I'm mistaken it's starting midnight korean time? I think there will be a lot of upsets.
Seems a bit weird to have it double elimination to be honest, not like you'll have a chance to qualify anyway if you lose in the first 3 rounds because you would have to win 100 Bo3s to make it, and it will delay the tournament a lot. But will be an interesting tournament to follow anyway.
I like EU system better it seems like they have 4 qualfiers and just take the top 2 from each.
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On April 15 2013 23:20 HeeroFX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 23:16 Teoyaomqui wrote: I wonder how long this tournament will take if it ends up being 512 players, which it should. I know it's split over 2 days, but it's still a shitload of Bo3s for day 1. Also unless I'm mistaken it's starting midnight korean time? I think there will be a lot of upsets.
Seems a bit weird to have it double elimination to be honest, not like you'll have a chance to qualify anyway if you lose in the first 3 rounds because you would have to win 100 Bo3s to make it, and it will delay the tournament a lot. But will be an interesting tournament to follow anyway. I like EU system better it seems like they have 4 qualfiers and just take the top 2 from each.
MLG has 5 days to figure it out a way to do it. After two days, the players will be such zombies. I kinda want to do the math of the minimum and maximum number of games that can be played by someone in these.
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Wait why can Xenocider play here i thought he was 15
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France7248 Posts
On April 15 2013 23:30 Luolis wrote: Wait why can Xenocider play here i thought he was 15 and the limit is 16
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On April 11 2013 03:07 MLG_Adam wrote: If the qualifier was free to enter a huge % of the matches would be no shows. We want this qualifier to be taken seriously by those wishing to participate.
ESL had no problems. There was over 1500 signed in but only 1050 (+) could get into bracket!
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Nice infographic. And it's another reminder of how little sense the GSL format makes when what we've effectively got now is qualifiers for another tournament. A tournament which 5 players qualify for. How exactly are they going to get 5 players from the GSL format? The top 4 players and then a playoff from the losing quarter finalists?
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On April 16 2013 00:16 Jknighty wrote: Nice infographic. And it's another reminder of how little sense the GSL format makes when what we've effectively got now is qualifiers for another tournament. A tournament which 5 players qualify for. How exactly are they going to get 5 players from the GSL format? The top 4 players and then a playoff from the losing quarter finalists?
Yeah, probably a playoff for the quarterfinalists. For the region that 6th place qualifies you'd have to guess they do another "duel tournament" style group among the 4 as well. Just speculation here though.
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On April 11 2013 02:39 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: If you can't afford it, I've bad news regarding your potential sc2 career.
Surely fledgling SC2 progamers in NA will have been playing in the MLG online tournaments for credits, and can join for free?
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On April 14 2013 05:46 Xorphene wrote: Entrance fee waived, lol.
"It's all about the money, money, money".
MLG = money grabbers who only care about profit and NOTHING about evolvement of grassroots SC2. How old were Leenock and Life when they made their breakthrough?
You limit by a rank, and I'd say Masters - there will be several uncut diamonds who may display good skill and wind up on a team - remember Scarlett, unknown> wins Playhem IPL tournament > causes a stir > on Acer. Or the rise and rise of Snute?
We HAVE to evolve grassroots in all regions, otherwise there is no point in huge tournaments like a WCS as eventually the scene will die with no new players coming through.
I've said this before, if people are trying to get a StarCraft 2 career going, and they live in NA, surely they're playing in the MLG online cups, and can just use the credits they've won from that to get in?
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On April 16 2013 00:32 alvadr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 05:46 Xorphene wrote: Entrance fee waived, lol.
"It's all about the money, money, money".
MLG = money grabbers who only care about profit and NOTHING about evolvement of grassroots SC2. How old were Leenock and Life when they made their breakthrough?
You limit by a rank, and I'd say Masters - there will be several uncut diamonds who may display good skill and wind up on a team - remember Scarlett, unknown> wins Playhem IPL tournament > causes a stir > on Acer. Or the rise and rise of Snute?
We HAVE to evolve grassroots in all regions, otherwise there is no point in huge tournaments like a WCS as eventually the scene will die with no new players coming through. I've said this before, if people are trying to get a StarCraft 2 career going, and they live in NA, surely they're playing in the MLG online cups, and can just use the credits they've won from that to get in?
From what I have read of the rules, no. WCS is its own even and MLG is handling the logistics. The open qualifier or an invite to the first season is the only way to get into the event.
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Sweden326 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:24 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:16 Jknighty wrote: Nice infographic. And it's another reminder of how little sense the GSL format makes when what we've effectively got now is qualifiers for another tournament. A tournament which 5 players qualify for. How exactly are they going to get 5 players from the GSL format? The top 4 players and then a playoff from the losing quarter finalists? Yeah, probably a playoff for the quarterfinalists. For the region that 6th place qualifies you'd have to guess they do another "duel tournament" style group among the 4 as well. Just speculation here though. As I understand it those 5 are for the world finals, which is after 3 seasons of play. So they'll just take the top 5 by points same way GSL did for the GSL world cup thing way back for example.
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No. Those 5 are for the end of season finals. The world finals will be filled with the 16 players with the highest points total, no matter the region.
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Sweden326 Posts
On April 15 2013 23:20 HeeroFX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 23:16 Teoyaomqui wrote: I wonder how long this tournament will take if it ends up being 512 players, which it should. I know it's split over 2 days, but it's still a shitload of Bo3s for day 1. Also unless I'm mistaken it's starting midnight korean time? I think there will be a lot of upsets.
Seems a bit weird to have it double elimination to be honest, not like you'll have a chance to qualify anyway if you lose in the first 3 rounds because you would have to win 100 Bo3s to make it, and it will delay the tournament a lot. But will be an interesting tournament to follow anyway. I like EU system better it seems like they have 4 qualfiers and just take the top 2 from each. Yeah I also prefer the EU system. This one has a high degree of variance. And who knows how they'll do the seeding, that will have a huge impact. But it will be easier for NA players to make it with this system, with a little bit of bracket luck you might not have that many koreans in your bracket.
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On April 16 2013 00:51 Teoyaomqui wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 23:20 HeeroFX wrote:On April 15 2013 23:16 Teoyaomqui wrote: I wonder how long this tournament will take if it ends up being 512 players, which it should. I know it's split over 2 days, but it's still a shitload of Bo3s for day 1. Also unless I'm mistaken it's starting midnight korean time? I think there will be a lot of upsets.
Seems a bit weird to have it double elimination to be honest, not like you'll have a chance to qualify anyway if you lose in the first 3 rounds because you would have to win 100 Bo3s to make it, and it will delay the tournament a lot. But will be an interesting tournament to follow anyway. I like EU system better it seems like they have 4 qualfiers and just take the top 2 from each. Yeah I also prefer the EU system. This one has a high degree of variance. And who knows how they'll do the seeding, that will have a huge impact. But it will be easier for NA players to make it with this system, with a little bit of bracket luck you might not have that many koreans in your bracket.
I don't think there's as much of a difference in "bracket luck" between EU and NA as people in this thread are making it seem. Double elimination reduces the variance by a good amount and EU doesn't have that.
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So the infographic shows 2 different qualifiers. When is the second Qualifier and can we sign up for it yet?
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On April 16 2013 01:10 Shew wrote: So the infographic shows 2 different qualifiers. When is the second Qualifier and can we sign up for it yet? no details have been released
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