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Canada16217 Posts
On April 12 2013 00:17 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 22:41 Doodsmack wrote:
Really don't like that players like MC and Taeja who already have money, and are in CODE S, would run from the tough competition for a moneygrab. If its a sponsor-driven decision, that's one thing, but otherwise its a bit dishonorable IMO. Probably not their choice. Their sponsors and teams likely chose where they would go. It's quite strategic, really. SK.LG-IM split up between all of the regions, Nestea in NA, MVP/MC in EU and the bulk of their A class roster in Korea. Blaming the players doesn't make much sense at all.
TL gave their players the choice to chose where they would like to compete, not sure about other teams.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407389#interview scroll down to Taeja's interview
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
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On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly. You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague
Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are.
Code S spoilers here+ Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between.
I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there.
Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better...
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We all know that the Kespa players dont care about individual leagues and would be a lot better than any ESF players if they played real.
(HINT; this post may contain sarcasm)
Really nice to see all those "Elephant in the Room" - advocates beeing proven wrong.
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On April 14 2013 12:13 BeyondCtrL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:13 zhurai wrote:On April 14 2013 10:37 govie wrote:On April 13 2013 22:29 -moonchild wrote:
American players are kinda screwed Less streaming more practising. The businessmodel in the west has alot of streaminghours in contrary to korean teams. Yes streaming is good but doesnt give u the wins in tournaments. But there are alot of good american players out there, so lets just wait and see  so basically you're saying less streaming more starving. If you want to stream and make money that way, that's fine. But should you also expect any pro to constantly stream and expect to win tournaments on top of that? Not really since you can't dedicate enough time to practice special builds and other things because all your opponent would have to do is watch the stream and learn a lot. If NA "pros" are making good money streaming, then why is money such a huge issue? Most of these Koreans rely on prize money for most of their income, whereas it's not entirely true for foreigners.
I thought most of them relied on their salary, not prize-money. As only a really small minority of the players has won any remarkable amount of cash.
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On April 15 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly. You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are. Code S spoilers here + Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between. I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there. Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better...
I think that's a poor way to put it..
there are groups where ONLY eSF players could make it out of the groups..
Thus far:
Kespa: 5/8 = = 62.5% of getting into ro16
eSF 4/16 = 25% of them getting into ro16
This doesnt indicate Kespa > esf.
However, it does denote theres a high # of top tier players of Kespa than eSF
AND it denotes that Kespa players are better prepare than their eSF counterparts
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Spain10103 Posts
On April 17 2013 04:00 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly. You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are. Code S spoilers here + Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between. I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there. Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better... I think that's a poor way to put it.. there are groups where ONLY eSF players could make it out of the groups..Thus far: Kespa: 5/7 = = 71.4% of getting into ro16 eSF 4/16 = 25% of them getting into ro16 This doesnt indicate Kespa > esf. However, it does denote theres a high # of top tier players of Kespa than eSF AND it denotes that Kespa players are better prepare than their eSF counterparts
That also means those groups 2 eSF players are going to get eliminated no matter what too.
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On April 17 2013 04:08 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 04:00 LighT. wrote:On April 15 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly. You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are. Code S spoilers here + Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between. I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there. Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better... I think that's a poor way to put it.. there are groups where ONLY eSF players could make it out of the groups..Thus far: Kespa: 5/7 = = 71.4% of getting into ro16 eSF 4/16 = 25% of them getting into ro16 This doesnt indicate Kespa > esf. However, it does denote theres a high # of top tier players of Kespa than eSF AND it denotes that Kespa players are better prepare than their eSF counterparts That also means those groups 2 eSF players are going to get eliminated no matter what too.
There has been exactly two groups where there was
3 eSF and 1 Kespa.
So youre right.
Taking into consideration
2/8 = 25%
That's still SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Kespa's rate.
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On April 17 2013 04:00 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly. You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are. Code S spoilers here + Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between. I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there. Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better... I think that's a poor way to put it.. there are groups where ONLY eSF players could make it out of the groups.. Thus far: Kespa: 5/8 = = 62.5% of getting into ro16 eSF 4/16 = 25% of them getting into ro16 This doesnt indicate Kespa > esf. However, it does denote theres a high # of top tier players of Kespa than eSF AND it denotes that Kespa players are better prepare than their eSF counterparts
Without checking actual results how is it possible that 9 players advanced and 15 players were eliminated when 2 of 4 advanced from every group?
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Spain10103 Posts
On April 17 2013 04:09 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 04:08 Godwrath wrote:On April 17 2013 04:00 LighT. wrote:On April 15 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly. You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are. Code S spoilers here + Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between. I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there. Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better... I think that's a poor way to put it.. there are groups where ONLY eSF players could make it out of the groups..Thus far: Kespa: 5/7 = = 71.4% of getting into ro16 eSF 4/16 = 25% of them getting into ro16 This doesnt indicate Kespa > esf. However, it does denote theres a high # of top tier players of Kespa than eSF AND it denotes that Kespa players are better prepare than their eSF counterparts That also means those groups 2 eSF players are going to get eliminated no matter what too. There has been exactly two groups where there was 3 eSF and 1 Kespa. So youre right. Taking into consideration 2/8 = 25% That's still SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Kespa's rate.
I don't know exactly where you are getting your numbers.
I know i shouldn't answer because you are clearly baiting some kind of kespa eSF debate, but i can't pass this (i didn't even read the maths in your first post, because i couldn't care less), since i don't know from where you are getting your numbers. This is GSL code S this season right now.
Group A 1/2 Kespa
1/2 eSF
Group B 1/1 Kespa
1/3 eSF
Group C 2/2 Kespa
0/2 eSF
Group D 0/2 Kespa
2/0 eSF
Group E 1/2 Kespa
1/2 eSF
Out of 9 kespa players, 5 had passed. This is a 55%
Out of 11 eSF players, 5 had passed. This is a 45%.
Tell me where you see that 28% because i just don't see it. Neither i see those 16 eSF players. I don't know, maybe i am lacking some context that i would like to know.
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On April 17 2013 04:09 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 04:08 Godwrath wrote:On April 17 2013 04:00 LighT. wrote:On April 15 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly. You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are. Code S spoilers here + Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between. I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there. Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better... I think that's a poor way to put it.. there are groups where ONLY eSF players could make it out of the groups..Thus far: Kespa: 5/7 = = 71.4% of getting into ro16 eSF 4/16 = 25% of them getting into ro16 This doesnt indicate Kespa > esf. However, it does denote theres a high # of top tier players of Kespa than eSF AND it denotes that Kespa players are better prepare than their eSF counterparts That also means those groups 2 eSF players are going to get eliminated no matter what too. There has been exactly two groups where there was 3 eSF and 1 Kespa. So youre right. Taking into consideration 2/8 = 25% That's still SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Kespa's rate.
Note that Kespa has 8 players, and ESF has 16.
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On April 17 2013 04:24 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 04:09 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 04:08 Godwrath wrote:On April 17 2013 04:00 LighT. wrote:On April 15 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly. You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are. Code S spoilers here + Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between. I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there. Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better... I think that's a poor way to put it.. there are groups where ONLY eSF players could make it out of the groups..Thus far: Kespa: 5/7 = = 71.4% of getting into ro16 eSF 4/16 = 25% of them getting into ro16 This doesnt indicate Kespa > esf. However, it does denote theres a high # of top tier players of Kespa than eSF AND it denotes that Kespa players are better prepare than their eSF counterparts That also means those groups 2 eSF players are going to get eliminated no matter what too. There has been exactly two groups where there was 3 eSF and 1 Kespa. So youre right. Taking into consideration 2/8 = 25% That's still SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Kespa's rate. I don't know exactly where you are getting your numbers. I know i shouldn't answer because you are clearly baiting some kind of kespa eSF debate, but i can't pass this (i didn't even read the maths in your first post, because i couldn't care less), since i don't know from where you are getting your numbers. This is GSL code S this season right now. Group A 1/2 Kespa 1/2 eSF Group B 1/1 Kespa 1/3 eSF Group C 2/2 Kespa 0/2 eSF Group D 0/2 Kespa 2/0 eSF Group E 1/2 Kespa 1/2 eSF Out of 9 kespa players, 5 had passed. This is a 55% Out of 11 eSF players, 5 had passed. This is a 45%. Tell me where you see that 28% because i just don't see it. Neither i see those 16 eSF players. I don't know, maybe i am lacking some context that i would like to know.
My math was wrong but so is yours.
Out of 8 KESPA, 5 had passed.
There is NO 2nd kespa player in Group E
5/8 = 62.5%
2nd part is more complex:
In Group A:
1/2 (two slots were available for eSF)
Group B:
0/2 (there was going to be ONE eSF player seeded anyway because 3 eSF. so there were ultimately fighting for one spot.
Why is it 0/2 and not 0/1? because there were 2 eSF players fighting for that spot, both failed)
Group C:
0/2 (two slots available for eSF, 0 passed)
Group D:
2/2 (two slots available for eSF, 2 passed)
Group E:
0/2 (there was going to be ONE eSF player seeded anyway because 3 eSF, so they were ultimately fighting for one spot, ultimately 2eSF players fighting for that spot, both failed.)
= 4/10 = 40%
62.5% passing rate vs 40% is pretty big no?
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On April 17 2013 04:25 alvadr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 04:09 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 04:08 Godwrath wrote:On April 17 2013 04:00 LighT. wrote:On April 15 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly. You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are. Code S spoilers here + Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between. I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there. Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better... I think that's a poor way to put it.. there are groups where ONLY eSF players could make it out of the groups..Thus far: Kespa: 5/7 = = 71.4% of getting into ro16 eSF 4/16 = 25% of them getting into ro16 This doesnt indicate Kespa > esf. However, it does denote theres a high # of top tier players of Kespa than eSF AND it denotes that Kespa players are better prepare than their eSF counterparts That also means those groups 2 eSF players are going to get eliminated no matter what too. There has been exactly two groups where there was 3 eSF and 1 Kespa. So youre right. Taking into consideration 2/8 = 25% That's still SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Kespa's rate. Note that Kespa has 8 players, and ESF has 16.
Note my argument wasnt eSF > kespa or kespa > esf
but rather theres more top tier Kespa players than there are eSF.
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Spain10103 Posts
On April 17 2013 04:42 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 04:24 Godwrath wrote:On April 17 2013 04:09 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 04:08 Godwrath wrote:On April 17 2013 04:00 LighT. wrote:On April 15 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly. You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are. Code S spoilers here + Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between. I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there. Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better... I think that's a poor way to put it.. there are groups where ONLY eSF players could make it out of the groups..Thus far: Kespa: 5/7 = = 71.4% of getting into ro16 eSF 4/16 = 25% of them getting into ro16 This doesnt indicate Kespa > esf. However, it does denote theres a high # of top tier players of Kespa than eSF AND it denotes that Kespa players are better prepare than their eSF counterparts That also means those groups 2 eSF players are going to get eliminated no matter what too. There has been exactly two groups where there was 3 eSF and 1 Kespa. So youre right. Taking into consideration 2/8 = 25% That's still SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Kespa's rate. I don't know exactly where you are getting your numbers. I know i shouldn't answer because you are clearly baiting some kind of kespa eSF debate, but i can't pass this (i didn't even read the maths in your first post, because i couldn't care less), since i don't know from where you are getting your numbers. This is GSL code S this season right now. Group A 1/2 Kespa 1/2 eSF Group B 1/1 Kespa 1/3 eSF Group C 2/2 Kespa 0/2 eSF Group D 0/2 Kespa 2/0 eSF Group E 1/2 Kespa 1/2 eSF Out of 9 kespa players, 5 had passed. This is a 55% Out of 11 eSF players, 5 had passed. This is a 45%. Tell me where you see that 28% because i just don't see it. Neither i see those 16 eSF players. I don't know, maybe i am lacking some context that i would like to know. My math was wrong but so is yours. Out of 8 KESPA, 5 had passed. There is NO 2nd kespa player in Group E 5/8 = 62.5% 2nd part is more complex: In Group A: 1/2 (two slots were available for eSF) Group B: 0/2 (there was going to be ONE eSF player seeded anyway because 3 eSF. so there were ultimately fighting for one spot. Why is it 0/2 and not 0/1? because there were 2 eSF players fighting for that spot, both failed) Group C: 0/2 (two slots available for eSF, 0 passed) Group D: 2/2 (two slots available for eSF, 2 passed) Group E: 0/2 (there was going to be ONE eSF player seeded anyway because 3 eSF, so they were ultimately fighting for one spot, ultimately 2eSF players fighting for that spot, both failed.) = 4/10 = 40% 62.5% passing rate vs 40% is pretty big no?
Confused true as a kespa player. Not like my maths were wrong, but listed him as a kespa wrongly.
With a sample size of 20 players, yeah, we could also do balance patches with that 
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On April 17 2013 07:03 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 04:42 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 04:24 Godwrath wrote:On April 17 2013 04:09 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 04:08 Godwrath wrote:On April 17 2013 04:00 LighT. wrote:On April 15 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly. You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are. Code S spoilers here + Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between. I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there. Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better... I think that's a poor way to put it.. there are groups where ONLY eSF players could make it out of the groups..Thus far: Kespa: 5/7 = = 71.4% of getting into ro16 eSF 4/16 = 25% of them getting into ro16 This doesnt indicate Kespa > esf. However, it does denote theres a high # of top tier players of Kespa than eSF AND it denotes that Kespa players are better prepare than their eSF counterparts That also means those groups 2 eSF players are going to get eliminated no matter what too. There has been exactly two groups where there was 3 eSF and 1 Kespa. So youre right. Taking into consideration 2/8 = 25% That's still SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Kespa's rate. I don't know exactly where you are getting your numbers. I know i shouldn't answer because you are clearly baiting some kind of kespa eSF debate, but i can't pass this (i didn't even read the maths in your first post, because i couldn't care less), since i don't know from where you are getting your numbers. This is GSL code S this season right now. Group A 1/2 Kespa 1/2 eSF Group B 1/1 Kespa 1/3 eSF Group C 2/2 Kespa 0/2 eSF Group D 0/2 Kespa 2/0 eSF Group E 1/2 Kespa 1/2 eSF Out of 9 kespa players, 5 had passed. This is a 55% Out of 11 eSF players, 5 had passed. This is a 45%. Tell me where you see that 28% because i just don't see it. Neither i see those 16 eSF players. I don't know, maybe i am lacking some context that i would like to know. My math was wrong but so is yours. Out of 8 KESPA, 5 had passed. There is NO 2nd kespa player in Group E 5/8 = 62.5% 2nd part is more complex: In Group A: 1/2 (two slots were available for eSF) Group B: 0/2 (there was going to be ONE eSF player seeded anyway because 3 eSF. so there were ultimately fighting for one spot. Why is it 0/2 and not 0/1? because there were 2 eSF players fighting for that spot, both failed) Group C: 0/2 (two slots available for eSF, 0 passed) Group D: 2/2 (two slots available for eSF, 2 passed) Group E: 0/2 (there was going to be ONE eSF player seeded anyway because 3 eSF, so they were ultimately fighting for one spot, ultimately 2eSF players fighting for that spot, both failed.) = 4/10 = 40% 62.5% passing rate vs 40% is pretty big no? Confused true as a kespa player. Not like my maths were wrong, but listed him as a kespa wrongly. With a sample size of 20 players, yeah, we could also do balance patches with that + Show Spoiler +
huh..true IS a kespa player :s...
Speaking of balance it's pretty comical...
In GSL/OSL = Terran and zerg are equally dominating, zerg moreso than Terran
In SPL = The Protoss is dominating
Somehow balance itself all out.
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Spain10103 Posts
On April 17 2013 07:09 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 07:03 Godwrath wrote:On April 17 2013 04:42 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 04:24 Godwrath wrote:On April 17 2013 04:09 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 04:08 Godwrath wrote:On April 17 2013 04:00 LighT. wrote:On April 15 2013 03:18 Assirra wrote:On April 15 2013 03:03 -moonchild wrote:On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:
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You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money. clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague Ok then, lets check at the current code S shall we. So far the ones that passed are. Code S spoilers here + Show Spoiler +
Bomber (ESF)
RorO (Kespa)
Yoda (ESF)
Flying (Kespa)
sOs (Kespa)
SoO (Kespa)
Taeja (somewhere between since TL is not a part of ESF but neither part of Kespa)
Kangho (ESF)
So we got 3 ESF. 4 Kespa and 1 in between. I don't know what Proleague has to do with anything since no ESF teams play there. Clearly they have been preforming soooo much better... I think that's a poor way to put it.. there are groups where ONLY eSF players could make it out of the groups..Thus far: Kespa: 5/7 = = 71.4% of getting into ro16 eSF 4/16 = 25% of them getting into ro16 This doesnt indicate Kespa > esf. However, it does denote theres a high # of top tier players of Kespa than eSF AND it denotes that Kespa players are better prepare than their eSF counterparts That also means those groups 2 eSF players are going to get eliminated no matter what too. There has been exactly two groups where there was 3 eSF and 1 Kespa. So youre right. Taking into consideration 2/8 = 25% That's still SUBSTANTIALLY worse than Kespa's rate. I don't know exactly where you are getting your numbers. I know i shouldn't answer because you are clearly baiting some kind of kespa eSF debate, but i can't pass this (i didn't even read the maths in your first post, because i couldn't care less), since i don't know from where you are getting your numbers. This is GSL code S this season right now. Group A 1/2 Kespa 1/2 eSF Group B 1/1 Kespa 1/3 eSF Group C 2/2 Kespa 0/2 eSF Group D 0/2 Kespa 2/0 eSF Group E 1/2 Kespa 1/2 eSF Out of 9 kespa players, 5 had passed. This is a 55% Out of 11 eSF players, 5 had passed. This is a 45%. Tell me where you see that 28% because i just don't see it. Neither i see those 16 eSF players. I don't know, maybe i am lacking some context that i would like to know. My math was wrong but so is yours. Out of 8 KESPA, 5 had passed. There is NO 2nd kespa player in Group E 5/8 = 62.5% 2nd part is more complex: In Group A: 1/2 (two slots were available for eSF) Group B: 0/2 (there was going to be ONE eSF player seeded anyway because 3 eSF. so there were ultimately fighting for one spot. Why is it 0/2 and not 0/1? because there were 2 eSF players fighting for that spot, both failed) Group C: 0/2 (two slots available for eSF, 0 passed) Group D: 2/2 (two slots available for eSF, 2 passed) Group E: 0/2 (there was going to be ONE eSF player seeded anyway because 3 eSF, so they were ultimately fighting for one spot, ultimately 2eSF players fighting for that spot, both failed.) = 4/10 = 40% 62.5% passing rate vs 40% is pretty big no? Confused true as a kespa player. Not like my maths were wrong, but listed him as a kespa wrongly. With a sample size of 20 players, yeah, we could also do balance patches with that + Show Spoiler + huh..true IS a kespa player :s... Speaking of balance it's pretty comical...In GSL/OSL = Terran and zerg are equally dominating, zerg moreso than Terran In SPL = The Protoss is dominating Somehow balance itself all out.
Exactly my point. Not only you did a complete bold statement on the first with the 28% (you never explained me how you got those numbers, my guess is you took into account games that haven't been played yet, or you just went full delusional kespa rabid fanboy to try to prove a point). Nevertheless i don't care anymore. Good luck to you sir.
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