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LoganBrew
Profile Joined April 2011
Russian Federation9 Posts
April 11 2013 14:40 GMT
#1661
On April 11 2013 22:00 Crownlol wrote:
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On April 11 2013 15:59 LoganBrew wrote:
You guys so mad, all we know that Korean players are the best ones. So, for what you whine? I will be happy if Koreans take all spots in WCS finals, i dont want to see all these pseudo EU/NA "progamers" who dont wants to train like Koreans, and just wants some easy money from qualis without koreans. Shame on them.


Read this in stereotype Russian accent, was amazing. (No offense to your English, it's far better than my Russian)

The real problem with the move is that it essentially ruins two regions. NA/EU don't get their sandbox to develop in, and Koreans get their potential earnings reduced.

However, let's not ignore the massive payday that is the vast American spending power. If a move like this increases American interest in eSports, it will literally benefit the entire world (of eSports).


My english is pretty bad, sorry for that. I agree with you, NA/EU really needs to develop the scene wider, but i think that the players should make more efforts.

With love from Siberia <3
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 14:49:20
April 11 2013 14:44 GMT
#1662
I don't see how WCS EU hinders the European scene in any way, I would say it's the exact opposite. Having a GSL like tournament will be a great enhancement also in it's current form. US is another issue, but it's the EU/US teams with Korean players creating problems.
ktgster
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada70 Posts
April 11 2013 14:58 GMT
#1663
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly.
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ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
April 11 2013 15:17 GMT
#1664
On April 11 2013 22:41 Doodsmack wrote:
Really don't like that players like MC and Taeja who already have money, and are in CODE S, would run from the tough competition for a moneygrab. If its a sponsor-driven decision, that's one thing, but otherwise its a bit dishonorable IMO.


Probably not their choice. Their sponsors and teams likely chose where they would go. It's quite strategic, really. SK.LG-IM split up between all of the regions, Nestea in NA, MVP/MC in EU and the bulk of their A class roster in Korea.

Blaming the players doesn't make much sense at all.
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DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 17:18:35
April 11 2013 16:59 GMT
#1665
On April 11 2013 22:53 Miss_Foxy wrote:
So excited to see who the new GSL programmers would be.

There's a pretty deep pool... Just watching the code a challenger qualifiers reminded me of how many known players can't even get into GSL!

e: GSL won't be diluted in any significant way AND having some top players coming in from the other leagues regions will just make the overall WCS "story" more interesting (imho).
Akaann
Profile Joined May 2011
Switzerland82 Posts
April 11 2013 18:09 GMT
#1666
Why Blizzard has done that? They destroyed GSL if all those guys don't play there next season :-(

And also how can this be calles World Championship if the Koreans go to every Region and take the spots. This is nonsense. Everybody should qualifie in his Region. In football Switzerland also can't go to Asia to qualifie for the World Championship because it would be easier.

I'm pretty annoyed what's going on here :-/
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Miss_Foxy
Profile Joined March 2012
Singapore109 Posts
April 12 2013 02:02 GMT
#1667
The sponsors and teams likely chose where they would go. On the good note, this opens up new spots in GSL for many legends to come in the future.
I love Blizzard's stuff and Korea ~ <3
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
April 12 2013 02:25 GMT
#1668
WCS Korea is totally fine. Even if 10-15 Code S regulars leave Korea it doesn't matter. There are a lot of great Kespa players and there is no way in hell these guys are leaving Korea.

WCS EU seems great. We already have a good amount of good players and the addition of 3-5 Koreans makes it amazing. I am really excited for this.

WCS NA. Ok,so there are only 3 regions and the guys from SEA and Latin America have to play somewhere.NA makes more sense cause of travel distance and lag. Pretty sure if there were any good players from Middle East or Africa they would get invited to EU. The amount of Koreans though could be problematic. If WCS NA has 1/3 Koreans then something is wrong.
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Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
April 12 2013 02:49 GMT
#1669
On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly.

Kepsa players simply cannot go out because of the Kespa rules. Otherwise, many will chose foreign scene, just as there GSL colleagues. This has nothing to do with the performance.
Given a choice, players like Bisu, fantasy, Stork will probably chose foreign while many trainees will definitely do.
naut1c
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria100 Posts
April 12 2013 05:29 GMT
#1670
Cant believe how nobody is mentioning the actual korean crisis with north korea. if i was there and i had the chance i would definitely move over to eu/na
Tommy Ian
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark80 Posts
April 12 2013 06:36 GMT
#1671
On April 12 2013 14:29 naut1c wrote:
Cant believe how nobody is mentioning the actual korean crisis with north korea. if i was there and i had the chance i would definitely move over to eu/na


Koreans don't care about the north, they grew up with the constant threat of war, so it is part of their mentality to just ignore it. Impleying that they are cowards who would rather leave their families to fend for themselves instead staying and fighting, is rather insulting.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 12 2013 07:20 GMT
#1672
On April 12 2013 15:36 Tommy Ian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 14:29 naut1c wrote:
Cant believe how nobody is mentioning the actual korean crisis with north korea. if i was there and i had the chance i would definitely move over to eu/na


Koreans don't care about the north, they grew up with the constant threat of war, so it is part of their mentality to just ignore it. Impleying that they are cowards who would rather leave their families to fend for themselves instead staying and fighting, is rather insulting.


He didnt imply anything and i dont see his question as an insult to southkoreans.
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Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 18:22:02
April 12 2013 18:21 GMT
#1673
This is fantastic; all of these EU and NA players should be relishing the opportunity to compete against the likes of MC and Jaedong.

The only downside for me is no Jaedong in Code S and the GSL has lost a few good second-tier players, but the WCS finals should compensate for that.
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-moonchild
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland7 Posts
April 13 2013 13:29 GMT
#1674
to the people who think these players not being in the GSL will make it worse: HAVE YOU SEEN KESPA PLAYERS LATELY? they're all still competing in gsl and so many of them are better than the listed koreans here. In fact the vast majority of these players aren't even in code S now and this code s is awesome so far.

this just makes Na and EU more fun to watch. we'll get actual good games, and the quality of code s will not faulter at all with the loss of some of these big names.

I only care about seeing good games of starcraft. koreans are helping to make foreign tournaments worth watching. Besides, the small amount of koreans in EU won't dominate, they will only push EU players (who are capable of taking these players out) more to be better. American players are kinda screwed
Imagination is more important than knowledge.
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
April 14 2013 00:26 GMT
#1675
LOL @ NA LINE UP
rip prime
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 14 2013 01:37 GMT
#1676
On April 13 2013 22:29 -moonchild wrote:
American players are kinda screwed


Less streaming more practising. The businessmodel in the west has alot of streaminghours in contrary to korean teams. Yes streaming is good but doesnt give u the wins in tournaments. But there are alot of good american players out there, so lets just wait and see
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
April 14 2013 02:13 GMT
#1677
On April 14 2013 10:37 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 22:29 -moonchild wrote:
American players are kinda screwed


Less streaming more practising. The businessmodel in the west has alot of streaminghours in contrary to korean teams. Yes streaming is good but doesnt give u the wins in tournaments. But there are alot of good american players out there, so lets just wait and see

so basically you're saying less streaming more starving.
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BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
April 14 2013 03:13 GMT
#1678
On April 14 2013 11:13 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 10:37 govie wrote:
On April 13 2013 22:29 -moonchild wrote:
American players are kinda screwed


Less streaming more practising. The businessmodel in the west has alot of streaminghours in contrary to korean teams. Yes streaming is good but doesnt give u the wins in tournaments. But there are alot of good american players out there, so lets just wait and see

so basically you're saying less streaming more starving.


If you want to stream and make money that way, that's fine. But should you also expect any pro to constantly stream and expect to win tournaments on top of that? Not really since you can't dedicate enough time to practice special builds and other things because all your opponent would have to do is watch the stream and learn a lot.

If NA "pros" are making good money streaming, then why is money such a huge issue? Most of these Koreans rely on prize money for most of their income, whereas it's not entirely true for foreigners.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-14 03:20:33
April 14 2013 03:19 GMT
#1679
On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly.

You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money.
-moonchild
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland7 Posts
April 14 2013 18:03 GMT
#1680
On April 14 2013 12:19 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 23:58 ktgster wrote:
Not shocked at all by this, Kespa players have been preforming so much better than esf players as of late, they make our GSL veterans look silly.

You must have selective memory or watch different tournaments. ESF and Kespa are equal in skill. There is only 1 thing where Kespa has the upper hand and that is the money.


clearly you haven't been watching gsl or proleague
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