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It's probably for the long-term goal of Starcraft 2 and E-Sports, like BeyongCtrL mentioned.
It's like the Zerg, they drone-up huge early on and if they lose to a rush, it might make them look bad because they didn't have an army. But once they reach the late-game, they get those huge deathballs that would even make the Protoss have a run for their money.
The only thing that they'll have to defend well against is a K-Pool (Korean version of 6 Pool) or a Korean Rush, then their "deathballs" would emerge and we'll begin to see the result.
Also, according to statistics, after this was announced, thousands more players joined Starcraft II, so I wouldn't necessarily say this isn't a good thing.
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Just pissed that Blizzard basically marginalized what the GSL is and potentially lowered the quality of games from my favorite tournament. As much as this sucks for the NA pro scene, the Korean pro scene was actually struggling too. Only 4 Korean teams not from KeSPA have found any kind of real stability. And of those 4, 2 are really kind of unknowns -- we don't know how well off they actually are.
I think they could have gone about this without fucking over Korea.
Edit: Let's not kid ourselves, the Koreans aren't leaving Korea because free money. It's a combination of seeing opportunity elsewhere and seeing doors close in Korea.
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On April 10 2013 18:15 Fenrax wrote:
MC, MMA, MVP in Europe...
seems like cheap way to get the popular player who aren't good enough anymore to qualify otherwise deep into WCS
Those players are good.
If there was 5 GSLs and 2 OSLs a year again, then most of those players would stay.
Now that there is only 3 GSLs and 1 OSL, then the potential money gained is much less in Korea.
Again, it doesn't matter how good you are unless you are like the top 8 player (you're good enough that you'll never likely get knocked out of the GSL).
There are few consistent people that can stay in Code S.
It's just due to the fact that there so many progamers in Korea vs the few tournaments there are in (with everything being kind of top heavy too).
On April 11 2013 13:14 mrjpark wrote:
Edit: Let's not kid ourselves, the Koreans aren't leaving Korea because free money. It's a combination of seeing opportunity elsewhere and seeing doors close in Korea.
I agree. South Korea went from a potential 7 tournaments to just 4.
Remember that most non-KeSPA players have to earn money via tournaments rather than salary.
If like 200 people (for example) committed a lot of time to being a full time progamer for SC2, and the fact that only 32 (out of 200, for example) can earn a decent amount of money, and once every 2 months now (before, it was almost a month between GSLs and OSLs), then it means few people can make a living off of progamer.
It doesn't really matter how hard Koreans (in South Korea, as a whole) work, there is still only enough to pay 32 players out of 200, every 2 months now (before at least it was closer to once a month).
The point being, it's definitely understand why Koreans are competing in other tournaments.
I'm disappointed that MVP isn't trying out for the GSL again though. He really needs his 5 time championship GSL trophy...
Best player of WoL (even while Terran were doing bad overall in the later half of 2012) who was so close to that 5 time championship  .
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This is beyond ridiculous.
As usual Blizzards tournament organisation is a shamble, yet Valve seems to be able to run their tournaments absolutely perfect.
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Honestly this was all so last minute which was a mistake, Code A qualifiers have been played now so theres no going back which means nobody gets a reprieve
I feel bad for someone like Seed, he is literally irrelevant now for almost an entire year unless he can royal rode and win a GSL
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Can't wait to see who the new players in Korea are, there's bound to be a surge of new programmers coming into GSL this year.
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Russian Federation9 Posts
You guys so mad, all we know that Korean players are the best ones. So, for what you whine? I will be happy if Koreans take all spots in WCS finals, i dont want to see all these pseudo EU/NA "progamers" who dont wants to train like Koreans, and just wants some easy money from qualis without koreans. Shame on them.
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On April 11 2013 15:59 LoganBrew wrote:
You guys so mad, all we know that Korean players are the best ones. So, for what you whine? I will be happy if Koreans take all spots in WCS finals, i dont want to see all these pseudo EU/NA "progamers" who dont wants to train like Koreans, and just wants some easy money from qualis without koreans. Shame on them.
this hurts plenty of koreans too, which is why everyone is so mad..
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I'm so mad that this lowers the quality of the gsl. I won't be paying for NA or eu tickets and I won't be watching. I fully support gom in all of this. Whoever in blizzard though of this genius scheme is an imbosile.
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I don't know, increasing the skill bars of players seem to be a good thing to me.
After all, it's not impossible for North Americans to win most of the NA spots and Europeans to win most of the EU spots.
Plus, it would be pretty awesome to see locals play against the Koreans and actually win.
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Nazgul said some of the names listed are their season 2 choices. MC was locked into Korea season 1 because he was in Code S. he'll be switching for the next WCS season
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On April 11 2013 14:59 -niL wrote:
I bet Polt is like WTF
Polt and Violet are two names I don't mind in NA. Both have spent enough time in Texas, and the US will gladly claim them, even though Stephano seems to have slipped from our grasp. If I were in Immigration, they'd already have green cards and an option for permanent citizen naturalization.
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On April 11 2013 15:59 LoganBrew wrote:
You guys so mad, all we know that Korean players are the best ones. So, for what you whine? I will be happy if Koreans take all spots in WCS finals, i dont want to see all these pseudo EU/NA "progamers" who dont wants to train like Koreans, and just wants some easy money from qualis without koreans. Shame on them.
Read this in stereotype Russian accent, was amazing. (No offense to your English, it's far better than my Russian)
The real problem with the move is that it essentially ruins two regions. NA/EU don't get their sandbox to develop in, and Koreans get their potential earnings reduced.
However, let's not ignore the massive payday that is the vast American spending power. If a move like this increases American interest in eSports, it will literally benefit the entire world (of eSports).
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On April 11 2013 22:00 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:59 LoganBrew wrote:
You guys so mad, all we know that Korean players are the best ones. So, for what you whine? I will be happy if Koreans take all spots in WCS finals, i dont want to see all these pseudo EU/NA "progamers" who dont wants to train like Koreans, and just wants some easy money from qualis without koreans. Shame on them. Read this in stereotype Russian accent, was amazing. (No offense to your English, it's far better than my Russian) The real problem with the move is that it essentially ruins two regions. NA/EU don't get their sandbox to develop in, and Koreans get their potential earnings reduced. However, let's not ignore the massive payday that is the vast American spending power. If a move like this increases American interest in eSports, it will literally benefit the entire world (of eSports).
Indeed, benefits of it would far outweigh all else, as well as the fact that probably more people will start being programmers which is a good thing.
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Really don't like that players like MC and Taeja who already have money, and are in CODE S, would run from the tough competition for a moneygrab. If its a sponsor-driven decision, that's one thing, but otherwise its a bit dishonorable IMO.
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inb4 a random, no-name NA player wins the whole thing.
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So excited to see who the new GSL programmers would be.
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EPT
