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Sevryn
698 Posts
and im going to bed and will be back for an hour or so in the morning and then after work tommorow evening. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
The rebels shall bow before the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 14 2013 11:22 Sevryn wrote: alright so first holy shit at these Night kills I would imagine its a sk because of the vigi being one shots and there not being a great case on either of the people who died. second I would like to point out some points of concern for me on corazon 1. He didnt vote for the person he claimed was the scummiest d1 instead voting for glurio with only two votes on glurio so it was still anybodys game as to who got lynched at the time he swapped his vote. Are you fucking kidding me... + Show Spoiler + On February 14 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote: Why I voted for Glurio I've justified this vote in a few posts, but since it's obvious none of you are interested in reading my filter, here I go. First of all, the point has been raised that I didn't follow through on this quote: And this one: Anyone who says this should also have looked at this quote: Take notice of the bolded part. Me making this change to actually take out scum reads D1 would only work if the whole town bought into the change. This did not happen. Everyone continued to try to get lurkers to talk and to make arguments against 5-6 players (which isn't the best idea in the closing hours before the lynch as we needed to consolidate). I pointed this out in a few posts why I did not vote for WB: I felt like Sn0 made great points and the fact that he said he was open to voting for WB later made me feel secure that I wasn't going to lose all of the traction in my case due to new developments happening. That's why I switched onto Glurio. But why Glurio? I made a few explanations: My justification for the vote was there. I put three people who I felt like voting for: Geript Mandalor Glurio I didn't vote for Sylencia because I think WB is scum, why would I vote with him? I didn't vote for Geript because it was obvious he wasn't going to get lynched. I had to choose between Mandalor and Glurio. Glurio's ridiculously stupid town claim put my vote on him and his OMGUS vote stayed me on him. I've stated multiple times that there wasn't much to choose from between the 4 players. Glurio's actions the last hour of play (a majority of his posts) looked the scummiest to me and so I voted for him. I didn't jump on Syl's vote because 2 wasn't enough to lynch Warbaby and (as I've said) it was obvious that no one wanted to lynch him. I didn't want to stay on WB because the vote was 3-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 (exaggeration) and I didn't want to add another "1". My plan of "sticking with my guns" was assuming for a vote of 5-3-1 (or something similar). I did not want to waste my vote when it became a lot more valuable. So I committed to someone who was going to get lynched today. If you guys have any questions, feel free to ask. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 13 2013 08:25 cDgCorazon wrote: Fine. I'll back down. ##unvote In the effort of choosing who to vote for, I'd like to point out that WB, Geript, and Glurio have not made any strong arguments against each other (and WB/Geript have explicitly said they don't think the other is scum/is town). On February 14 2013 08:04 cDgCorazon wrote: My Last Will Just in case I do get killed tonight. I’m not sure what the odds are, but I know they’re greater than zero. So as a preventative measure, I will post some thoughts on other players in the game. Warbaby- You all know my thoughts about WB. I’m going to lay off for a little bit and pursue other reads (if I survive). Sn0 is right about the confirmation bias thing. Perhaps it’s started to set in a bit. I’m still suspicious, but I’ll save it for later. Geript- In all honesty, his case against me had a little bit of merit, but most of my answers were in the other posts on my filter. The interesting part is that he is only focusing on my vote for Glurio when there are 2 other people who helped seal Glurio’s lynch. His whole strategy of setting up half-cases so that others can finish them off is lazy town at best, scummy at worse. However, I would still like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is adjusting to a different way of playing Mafia. I think he got a bit too emotional when he said Moc and I were basically forcing him out of the game. WoS- I know this point has been discussed to death but I really don’t like the fact that he threw his vote away D1 (scum don’t usually care about the lynch unless it’s one of their own) and his non-vote for Sevryn was scummy as well. I’ll be keeping an eye out on him. Syl/Mandalor/Sevryn/OO/Testsubject(Basically everyone who fit how Glurio was playing)- Post more (or do a better job than the person you replaced). Don’t wait until the lynch deadline gets close to give us your reads. Be proactive scumhunters. I’m sorry this is probably shorter than it should be, but I must go to work. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On February 14 2013 13:34 ObviousOne wrote: I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further. The rebels shall bow before the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation. Town What do you think of this offer? If I read right; he is offering to help shoot targets for us during the night? Is this something we want to consider as a collective? Or just lynch the lying muda farker? My quick thoughts on the matter. Pros We could essentially have "lynch" votes @ night, for the SK to target which could put pressure on scum to make mistakes Cons Do we even know this guy is SK > scum? Just cos he said so, doesnt mean so Can we trust him to shoot who we agree to? If he lies and shoots a townie, then we in real shit losing another two townies In the middle We going to have to get rid of him some stage of the game; lets say we keep him, then during Day3 we find scum. Who do we lynch; scum or SK? I dont see a a good risk/reward. We cant guarantee he will shoot scum (due to bad reads; or trusting he will shoot who we ask). + we might get a conflict of interest when we do find scum. My suggestion is to lynch him today; but happy to discuss this matter out if others feel differently. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
I'd like to see what happens down the road a bit more before parking my vote, if that is ok. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On February 14 2013 14:07 cDgCorazon wrote: I don't think we should overcomplicate things, I'd say lynch him. I'd like to see what happens down the road a bit more before parking my vote, if that is ok. Certainly, I am not in control of your vote. I agree, lynch him (my vote is already that way). But not sure if others are going to "outnumber" my vote by saying he can take out lurkers or whatever. Hopefully the above posts convinces them it isn't worthwhile. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Just the thought of you guys wielding me as a weapon and the scummers shitting their pants makes this whole reveal worth it. Except for that whole roleblocker thing, if that's a scum-side ability (don't fucking claim it if you're town), which could shut me down right quick. Then again, that leaves mister tracker free to snoop around. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On February 14 2013 14:14 ObviousOne wrote: I used to be good at math, and while I'm not as good at it now, it's pretty certain that at the very least I can't afford to shoot another town member at this point so you guys better choose wisely. Me dont get that? 13 players; we down to 10. 1 SK ?2 or 3 scum? 6 or 7 town. Scum need to outnumber town AND get rid of SK to win. I dont see how you cant afford to shoot a townie; scum have to lynch/shoot you, and I expect you to be bullet proof (as no DT in the game). So will take 2 nights for scum to kill you. Town cant afford to lose a townie in general; let alone 3 down. But we are not in MYLO situation either if you want to be technical. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
That said, I can't possibly see how leaving him alive is a good idea for now. I'll go over the implications in more detail later, but suffice to say that if the best we can come up with Day 1 was a 3-2-1-1-1-1-1 vote, then I don't see the value in town having "control" (tenuous at best) of a loose cannon SK. So for now, ##Vote: ObviousOne | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 14 2013 13:34 ObviousOne wrote: I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further. The rebels shall bow before the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation. Unacceptable. If you are SK your wincon is to kill everyone. The way I see it, unless TestUser is lying, there is nothing to negotiate with you except how many years dungeon you're going to get. Durr I'm actually going to bed now T_T | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 14 2013 14:55 Sn0_Man wrote: The problem with lynching him is that it is an easy lynch that generates no discussion and gets us no closer to finding scum. So for now, ##Vote: ObviousOne Umm I don't see why you can't vote him off later...? | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On February 14 2013 15:01 cDgCorazon wrote: Umm I don't see why you can't vote him off later...? I like where this is going. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Later as in 36 hours from now...don't think I'm in favor of letting you go free... | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On February 14 2013 15:18 ObviousOne wrote: Yeah I wasn't really having too much hope at this point. Oh man, the obs thread must be going nuts. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On February 14 2013 15:01 cDgCorazon wrote: Umm I don't see why you can't vote him off later...? I vote once my intent to lynch is clear and somewhat unlikely to change. Unfortunately, that is the case now. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
In the meantime, there are a lot of wills left to look at and dissect, and certain players who haven't said anything for a long time. Still plenty to discuss; still three scum to look for, whether we vote for those reads today or not. I'll be answering Mocsta's questions momentarily. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On February 14 2013 11:15 Mocsta wrote: Whoah whoah, dont run away so fast; This DT stuff is adding even more confusion to my last will comment to you. Im going to give you a quick run down on my worst-case interpretation:
If I look at you in best case scenario:
The problem I have with 'best-case scenario" is; if there was nothing of note to provide analysis; why not just spill the beans instead of moving along like nothing happened? (Its obviously too late to say anything now, its just WIFOM) Lastly, as I said before, i think your case was a major issue to why we could not consolidate votes Day1. I I don't see how my case prevented consolidated votes; the foremost problem was the lack of a clear, compelling case from ANYONE. I can hardly take responsibility for everyone else's lack of strong cases. I can certainly take responsibility for my last-minute Mocsta vote based mostly on the fact that I didn't feel that strongly about any of the other candidates. I gave up the shenanigans because I determined that in the long run it would do more harm than good, and that we needed several hours of clarity in order to put forth a good lynch. Honestly, a clear lynch target didn't come out of my fake case. I'm curious to see how Obvious flips tonight, because he visited Wave, and if he were mafia I think that people who completely ignored my case look scummier (they saw the DT claim and decided to kill him at night, although there's no nominal DT). I was looking for two things -- people who liked my case and would agree with it but not actually do anything, and those who do not really process it or look at it critically. Those would be people who knew that person was town but didn't mind them dying and want to take credit for discussion/participation (ie, scum). This is why Warbaby, Sylencia, and Mandalor have all looked scummy to me. Warbaby immediately latched onto the case with no analysis, it was the first case Syl said anything about at all and he pretty much entirely agreed while adding a minor point to it, and Mandalor did something similar. Mocsta, actually, first said "quite a few good points in that case," calling some educated assumptions and others anti-town, but not explaining which ones. In the end, he does do an analysis of Wave's defense as opposed to Warbaby's defense and concludes that Wave actually looks town in comparison to Warbaby. This is at a point when the fake lynch still hasn't taken off, it's sitting at 2 votes (myself and geript). So this makes your reaction to my fake case less scummy than that of Warbaby, Sylencia, and Mandalor, imo. Sn0 "liked the case" but didn't want to lynch an active player D1, but then really disliked his defense. He wasn't super eager to go after him at first, so I didn't see that as scummy. Corazon liked specific parts of it but cautioned that the same points could be brought up against others. Geript is the one who actually broke down my case the most, and while in the end it led to him voting for Wave, he was obviously thinking critically, which led to my town read on him. So while I could say that as a result of this tactic Warbaby, Sylencia, Mandalor, and Mocsta are three scum and 1 SK, that's obviously going too far. Sometimes town just says they like a case and don't think real hard about it. Perhaps a desperate Warbaby was just happy to see any case that wasn't on him, etc. But I still think that they are strikes against these people. | ||
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