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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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Vivax
Austria20949 Posts
As to Chez, we have more to go on there than with the other players - he has been involved in at least two masonings, if everyone is telling the truth. That should give us more to go on, and the masons he was with can share their thoughts at some point. If we're going to go after a heavy lurker, I'd prefer a not-Chezinu, because it seems there's more to Chezinu than just what's been in thread. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 29 2013 21:29 Toadesstern wrote: Also if Axle isn't the medic his "medic-like"-posts sound a lot like mafia because he's thinking about medics so much. Remember:
Now if we take all that into consideration and with the knowledge that he in fact isn't a medic he thinks about medics an awful lot for apparently no reason. He also tried to figure out the "medic plan" I did n1 and n2. Why would you do that unless you're a medic yourself? I REALLY thought the guy is just a bad townie who kept blabbering about his role and can't keep his mouth shut and ignored the fact that he's not contributing both because I was damn certain about him being a medic and because being focused about a role (medic) like that is something new guys do if they happen to have that role themselves... Bugs thought the same thing, I told marv about it and he INSTANTLY agreed and said it's so obvious now that I mentioned it in mason-chat, which is the reason he changed from axle being probably mafia to axle being probably town so suddenly. Now that we know he is no medic it looks an awful lot like someone trying to contribute something (talk about medics) when it doesn't do a thing for us. At all. On top of that he is really focused about who ends up being medic'ed / jailed and there's obvious mafia reason to think about that a lot. I don't see a lot of reasons for townies to think about that stuff unless you're involved yourself (aka: you are the medic). On January 29 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote: basicly every single post he did? A little summary: D2, after Sandro died: + Show Spoiler + I thought i had worked out the vet strategy on protects via Bugs post... to stop them ovelapping by centering the Doc and the Sherrif protects on diff people. The one thing I knew and I thought scum knew was Sand was getting protected. Having said that do you think the doc if there is one might be more likely than random to take your advice. If so is putting the Sherrif just where the doc had been told to go was suboptimal Yeah? Toad seems to think you were the best protect but gave the stupidest advice to the thread Huh? Sorry did you indicate what youd be doing at all? I expect you did not. In the absence of information how can doc try and dodge doubling up with you better than chance? Well if they do the one thing some suggested you should not that would be better than nothing. Absolutely, we should NOT discuss who we are protecting tonight Last night that didn't work out at all well. However Bugs DID Then Toad Conveniently did what was maximally bad and most likely to result in Sherrif and a Doc if there is one protecting the same person. If you consider Bugs important enough to protect because he is good at this game. Then wouldn't some doc somewhere think so too. if the docs going to protect someone why would the Doc do the opposite to you and protect Sandro? Yes you should not telegraph your moves to scum. But putting your Sherrif's jail keep in the one place most likely a Doc will as well is silly. But you can divide the protect-able pile in two a bit and try not to screw up by protecting the most likely person the doc if there is one would protect. screw this... I don't feel like searching for more stuff, that's just 3 posts and his posts are so hard to read... some stuff I quoted in mason chat: + Show Spoiler [no idea from where] + and yeah by then i was so tunneled that Bugs had the plan and the rest was fluff suggestions that I thought I understood the game, then some how it didn't happen. Well it didn't happen because you said in the thread it would not happen. Well more precisely you said, you wouldn't say what you were doing and that Docs had to cover the whole field too. And yeah in bold by the guy with the role, said that so that trumps all. And yeah it does not matter that if with docs and jailers you are better off statistically splitting the puddles to get fewer protection collisions, the guy with the role said he would.... So Derp me read THIS post. It's what made me almost go "okay screw this, I'm not going to mason axle, there's no way he's not the medic" However axle said he's willing to lynch gonzaw before the red check when bugs asked him about. Have to reread that one to understand the situation. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
The issue was that he never pushed the idea at all. He pushes Vivax quite a bit on Day 1, and the whole medic stuff a lot too, but otherwise there isn't much to hang your hat on. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I guess all three out of: Annul, axle and mkfuba make good lynches for today. I would have actually thought mafia would just give up when we lynched BKE and chez and then BKE suddenly flipped town, meaning something had to be wrong in our calculasions about one guy. Axle being labled as 99% percent certain townie by all three of us (bugs, Marv, Toad) might be the reason they still thought they're in this. It also fits the bill on the fact that we had to be wrong on one specific guy that has no connections to someone else because axle supposedly being a medic was the only reason he never got lynched. TL;DR: Probably axle > annul > mkfuba? | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16257 Posts
On January 29 2013 23:04 AxleGreaser wrote: Because I am not familiar with whats what with Jargon I forgot that Townie is not just the name of the role in this game but also a generic word. I am townie means (I am one of the kinds of towns, in generic usage) I used it to claim my role. And yes the even very first PM to be sure i got it right I looked at the OP not my PM. You required clarification, remembering we are in this mess due to failure to communicate accurately.... I did so I was both precise, and obeyed da rules, remember i have thing about those.... You may however feel free to do " when you roleclaim you copy & paste your role from your rolepm and not from the OP..." I wont ever. This post. Toad had a problem when Axle said that he had quoted from the OP not when he used the word townie. Who quotes their role pm when claiming? Scum do cause they want it to seem like its as accurate as possible. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 29 2013 22:54 FiveTouch wrote: So effectively your argument is that in the miniscule eventuality you get killed on Night 2, you were going to blow up a mafia that was certainly going to die anyway the next day. Right? do you have an inability to read or something? for the FOURTH time, On January 29 2013 18:49 annul wrote: i thought i could convince the town {...} to get off of chez. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 29 2013 23:26 Toadesstern wrote: yeah that's what I thought... I guess all three out of: Annul, axle and mkfuba make good lynches for today. I would have actually thought mafia would just give up when we lynched BKE and chez and then BKE suddenly flipped town, meaning something had to be wrong in our calculasions about one guy. Axle being labled as 99% percent certain townie by all three of us (bugs, Marv, Toad) might be the reason they still thought they're in this. It also fits the bill on the fact that we had to be wrong on one specific guy that has no connections to someone else because axle supposedly being a medic was the only reason he never got lynched. TL;DR: Probably axle > annul > mkfuba? Yeah. At the very least annul needs to be giving a better explanation for putting his bomb on Chez. Because at the moment it seems like putting your bomb on someone who is getting lynched the next day on the really small chance he gets NKed on that exact same night (over bugs, over the outed cop...) seems really, really dodgy. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 29 2013 23:28 annul wrote: do you have an inability to read or something? for the FOURTH time, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TOWN NOT TO LYNCH A MAFIA | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 29 2013 23:28 annul wrote: do you have an inability to read or something? for the FOURTH time, point being: That's a bad thing unless you are pretty damn certain you'll die as well and that we have a about equally good lynch lying around. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
1. Toad, FT, bugs, as well as others all want to lynch BKE and Chezinu, believing both to be clearly mafia 2. Therefore these 2 will get lynched on day 3 and hopefully flip mafia 3. You decide to put your bomb on a mafia who is getting lynched the next day, because you might get shot on Night 2 (on Night 3 you could move your bomb so it doesn't matter). 4. You try to stop town lynching a guy everyone thinks is mafia, because you put your bomb on him, despite it being obvious that he was getting lynched the next day If you're town, there's a terrible, terrible breakdown in thought process somewhere along the line here. | ||
Vivax
Austria20949 Posts
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Vivax
Austria20949 Posts
Instead he's seemingly afraid to look bad and openly says he wanted town to get off Chez wtf. | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 30 2013 00:02 Vivax wrote: You know, he could just say : "Well shit, I used my role in a really bad manner sorry" and start saying what he wants to do today. Instead he's seemingly afraid to look bad and openly says he wanted town to get off Chez wtf. This is what is giving me problems. There actually seems to be a chance that somehow a town annul genuinely thought what he did was a good idea, and that arguing for town not to lynch a mafia is also somehow a good idea. Ugh. | ||
Vivax
Austria20949 Posts
I could see BC trolling town by creating a scumteam with 5 vets/experienced players in it. There is no sign of the balance Toad talks about so far. See you at deadline then. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 30 2013 01:11 debears wrote: Was it brought up that Axle had his d1 votes on both Chez and Gonzaw for mayor? I think I've talked about it before, but yeah. The best reason for thinking Axle isn't mafia is that he was medic. Axle refused to vote for me on day 1 due to smurf readability issues, but was happy to vote Chez, and later he voted for gonzaw despite saying he didn't think he was actually town, merely that he'd be able to read him in future days. | ||
Stutters695
2610 Posts
But his lack of truly explaining why he kept his bomb on chez and the convenience of his claim from a scum perspective (no way to verify other than role cop) doesn't look good. Additionally the whole mason thing with Mocsta didn't sit right with me. At the time it was hard to explain since he just abruptly stopped talking to Mocsta so he wouldn't potentially get framed. That's all well and good, but why wouldn't he push him after. He said another Mason was scum, voted Mocsta (mason) and tried to save Chez (confirmed scum mason). These are an awful lot of coincidences in addition to not being a very town player in general. | ||
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