EPT[SPL] STX SouL vs. EG-Liquid R3 - Page 48
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
On January 28 2013 17:44 Evil_Sheep wrote: Apparently EGTL are actively trying to one up last week's humiliating loss to bottom feeders STX Soul by starting with Puma, the worst player in Proleague statistically, and sticking their best (active) player, HerO, 6th, where he could very easily sit unused if STX Soul manage to match or best last week's 4-1 result vs EGTL. EGTL fans: disappointment inc. I hate to say that I called it...and not that I'm special as I'm pretty sure that at this point EGTL could be run better by forum vote from TL. It could hardly be worse (but I shouldn't speak too soon, next thing you know they'll play Puma as ace.) EGTL getting crushed in two back-to-back matches against the clear worst team in proleague, and now sitting just one place above the foot of the table. EGTL's strategy is clearly to run out all their worst players while leaving their best players on the bench. Last match v STX Stephano and Jaedong watched from the sidelines as Revival inexplicably selected to complete the 3-kill. This match Hero and Stephano warming the bench. Brilliant. F'ing brilliant. How could EGTL turn things around? Well never playing Puma (0-5) or Thorzain (1-4) again would be a good first step. Firing their coach would be another. | ||
Olli
Austria24416 Posts
On January 28 2013 20:13 ladyumbra wrote: Ever single one of those players has lost at least once ( some of them multiple times) in Proleague thus far. Even when you play your best players they can get sniped or simply beaten by similarly or superior skilled players. Also it says something about the unholy alliance when the general consensus is that their roster is not deep enough to play a varied lineup and win with it. * Shrugs* They'll get it together or they won't, either way they get the publicity both teams wanted out of the venture. Well the main difference is that this lineup is good enough to beat most PL teams outright. They don't need to have a super deep lineup if their main one is good enough to win every match, which they should be. Sniping is possible of course but still better than gambling on Puma/Zenio to do well... | ||
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
Shame on you EGTL ! | ||
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
On January 28 2013 20:06 Snusmumriken wrote: Taeja Stephano Jaedong Revival HerO They should never have to lose if they had this lineup consistently. sadly not so  Taeja is injured, Stephano has code S and probably the coach thought it best not to play him. I see why rotating players seems like a good option. Your players don't just reveal their style and get outplayed. The problem is is that there are very few top quality players. Zenio, HuK (if he ever returns), Puma, don't deserve to be on the roster in terms of progamers go. JYP and Revival are great players, but they seem to choke up on the stage. Stephano, JD, HerO and Taeja when he's fit can't just carry the team in this format. They have very unique styles which will bite them on the ass when someone can prepare 24/7 against that style. What EG-TL is missing is a B-team. There are no players who they can call just to play one style over and over. There is also a lack of map knowledge from them. They play VERY similar to ESF players in the fact that they seem to practice for everything, and don't really take the BO to the opponent. That marauder rush, that is something that Puma should be able to do himself, however he probably never knew about it because there is noone on the team willing to do those cheeses or even think them up. They have no map specific builds, and that is what is killing them. They need more coaches, like KT has one for each race. They also need that B team with strong practice partners. That is the difference imo atm. What they need to do is get more players over there. Surely the likes of TLO, ret and Snute will be willing to fly over for practice. Even if they can somehow pursuade Jinro (who I believe still lives in KR) to practice with them or even coach them would be amazing. The ideal situation would be this A-team HerO Taeja Stephano Revival JYP JD Thorzain B team Puma Zenio HuK Practice Partners TLO Snute Ret IdrA Machine Demuslim That would just make the team so much stronger. Hell, I'd happily replace some of the foreigners into the B team over Puma and Zenio, but because they can't register until the next season, they would make awesome practice partners for now. | ||
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Nomzter
Sweden2802 Posts
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loladin
Norway184 Posts
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mijellin
China740 Posts
On January 28 2013 20:20 OptimusYale wrote: Taeja is injured, Stephano has code S and probably the coach thought it best not to play him. I see why rotating players seems like a good option. Your players don't just reveal their style and get outplayed. The problem is is that there are very few top quality players. Zenio, HuK (if he ever returns), Puma, don't deserve to be on the roster in terms of progamers go. JYP and Revival are great players, but they seem to choke up on the stage. Stephano, JD, HerO and Taeja when he's fit can't just carry the team in this format. They have very unique styles which will bite them on the ass when someone can prepare 24/7 against that style. What EG-TL is missing is a B-team. There are no players who they can call just to play one style over and over. There is also a lack of map knowledge from them. They play VERY similar to ESF players in the fact that they seem to practice for everything, and don't really take the BO to the opponent. That marauder rush, that is something that Puma should be able to do himself, however he probably never knew about it because there is noone on the team willing to do those cheeses or even think them up. They have no map specific builds, and that is what is killing them. They need more coaches, like KT has one for each race. They also need that B team with strong practice partners. That is the difference imo atm. What they need to do is get more players over there. Surely the likes of TLO, ret and Snute will be willing to fly over for practice. Even if they can somehow pursuade Jinro (who I believe still lives in KR) to practice with them or even coach them would be amazing. The ideal situation would be this A-team HerO Taeja Stephano Revival JYP JD Thorzain B team Puma Zenio HuK Practice Partners TLO Snute Ret IdrA Machine Demuslim That would just make the team so much stronger. Hell, I'd happily replace some of the foreigners into the B team over Puma and Zenio, but because they can't register until the next season, they would make awesome practice partners for now. Well fucking said. I'm sure people will just home in on the list itself and quibble over whether Huk should be considered B team or Practice Partner, but the theory holds up really well. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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Gonozal
Germany320 Posts
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Loerts
Netherlands7 Posts
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mijellin
China740 Posts
On January 28 2013 20:26 letian wrote: haha, all coach protagonists are welcome to share their insight on EGTL coaching staff winning strategy. I was once a coach protagonist! But this match... sigh Certainly room for improvement | ||
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loladin
Norway184 Posts
On January 28 2013 20:14 Shellshock1122 wrote: VODs in OP I just wanted to say thanks for your great work with the LR posts Shellshock, I have to watch the VODs as I can't view it live, and I always use these links!  | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
The weaker/less reliable players first and the good players later... not a good idea for this format imho. Also, where is Stephano? Matches like this make my FPL team sad | ||
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Mensol
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Tommyth
Poland117 Posts
On January 28 2013 20:15 Evil_Sheep wrote: I hate to say that I called it...and not that I'm special as I'm pretty sure that at this point EGTL could be run better by forum vote from TL. It could hardly be worse (but I shouldn't speak too soon, next thing you know they'll play Puma as ace.) EGTL getting crushed in two back-to-back matches against the clear worst team in proleague, and now sitting just one place above the foot of the table. EGTL's strategy is clearly to run out all their worst players while leaving their best players on the bench. Last match v STX Stephano and Jaedong watched from the sidelines as Revival inexplicably selected to complete the 3-kill. This match Hero and Stephano warming the bench. Brilliant. F'ing brilliant. How could EGTL turn things around? Well never playing Puma (0-5) or Thorzain (1-4) again would be a good first step. Firing their coach would be another. After what I saw today, I'd also never send out JYP, at least vs zerg, he played so horribly, one of the worst pvzs I've seen for quite a long time... | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
Ideal lineup would still be some Hero, Taeja, Stephano, maybe Jaedong as Z sniper, but that's it. I don't get the point of putting JYP and Puma up in almost every single match, since they don't really get up to any skill level beyond a certain point. There's a reason why these EG ppl do not play code S anymore. | ||
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
(flash and action burried my main team today )also got 0 points for kt... :D how fucking bad. owell, at least got to see this korean standup comedy that tleg is slowly but surely turning in to :D | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On January 28 2013 20:51 boxerfred wrote: Watching this was so aweful. Seriously, what the heck did JYP do in his match vs. Hyvaa? I do not really know what guys like Puma and JYP do in Proleague, I also don't know why HuK was even able to play Code S UD's and even Ro32. Ideal lineup would still be some Hero, Taeja, Stephano, maybe Jaedong as Z sniper, but that's it. I don't get the point of putting JYP and Puma up in almost every single match, since they don't really get up to any skill level beyond a certain point. There's a reason why these EG ppl do not play code S anymore. maybe these players are too busy preparing to and participating in more important activities than PL. | ||
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