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Getting modkilled is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw
Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?
Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now.
It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin.
I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum
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Austin
Would you lynch stutters over sandroba right now?
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Lol I don't know how you came to that conclusion Austin, but it's generally pretty safe to say that if someone gets modkilled for not voting they had spurts of activity at best.
Stutters was suspected quite a lot early on in YANMM but dismissed because there were worse players. The atmosphere of minis nowadays is that you generally have 5-6 deadweight townies, 3 or 4 scum, and the remaining few actives. So, just by looking at votes you can't say that he didn't look scummy.
One thing I want to note about prpl: he came into the thread earlier for a single post, to "refute" what was said about him. He then disappeared again. As town he'd be here arguing against this lynch effort. He'd be pointing out targets who are better lynches than he is. So, either he has become extraordinarily lazy as town (somehow doubt that) or he's scum. He doesn't sit back and let people attack him if he perceives it as dumb, and as town he almost always perceives any attack on him as dumb, since he knows he is town. He has used that logic before.
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On January 22 2013 02:42 FiveTouch wrote:
austin, why did you fail to address the point that Oatsmaster didn't even look into the case on prplhz or comment on it, saying that he was against any mayor who wanted to lynch a lurker, and then further ended up voting for you because he liked that you were killing this particular lurker? If this is a real question, then it's because I didn't address every point that every player brought up about some guy, because I'm human, etc.
If it's not a real question, knock it off.
I'd like to believe I'm not for killing stutters for "lurking," but because of the actual posts he has. When I look at the posts you're talking about, I don't get full-on inconsistency from them, or at least what you're seeing.
On January 21 2013 12:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok 5touch, I was wrong and you were right, I just feel that JX wasent scum off those 2 posts.
HOWEVER, his disappearance since then is not good for him being town.
I dont want to vote for a mayor that advocates lurker lynching because it removes the responsibility that the mayor has to justify his lynches. I want the mayor to not be fucking retarded and actually takes some responsibility for his actions.
What you are seeing in the second post:
On January 22 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be.
He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter.
Stutter's posted 4 posts and just disappeared, I feel that as a town player, his start wouldve been continued through the thread but it was not to be which makes me think that he is putting up a front of activity at the start to allay all suspicions then lurking his way through the rest of the game.
Vote: Austinmcc Right? That's what you're really taking issue with? That he identifies Stutter as a lurker, says he is going to lurk all game?
However, his first post is that he doesn't want a mayor whose policy is to lynch lurkers, because he wants an accountable mayor. That is actually WEIRD to me because I haven't seen a single mayor candidate who says "Let's lynch a lurker." Everyone seems to have actual reasons for voting the folks they want to vote, or hasn't given a specific candidate, afaik. So...that's just a funky statement given that, in my mind, there is no mayoral candidate with the platform that Oats is against a mayoral candidate having.
That aside, I don't see the second post as fully inconsistent with the first. If you pull out different phrases, it matches up. Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be.
He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter. He seems to have reasons to vote me besides my choice of lynch. While that may be playing a part, he at least identifies a couple things that I have done/said. When he references me and stutter, he says that he agrees with my lynch target after reading my reasoning. My reasoning is not "stutter is lurking kill stutter." So to me, that goes find with the first post. I'm not advocating lurker lynching at all, I've advocating stutter-lynching. He at least has paid lip-service to the idea that I have reasoning behind that advocacy.
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On January 22 2013 02:41 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Negatory. He was actually quite active in the games he got modkilled. It looks more like he didn't vote, or got caught up last minute and missed voting, then got modkilled. It's odd, but oh well.
Getting modkilled time and time again is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia
I mean I'm not saying he's confirmed townie because I can't read anything from him an he's still null for me, I'm pointing out how you're refuting your own case on him.
i.e. I think your case is bad
Vivax
Please don't lie to yourself. You got mad and OMGUSed me after I said I agreed with gonzaw. Please don't act all high and mighty that you made some well calculated moves.
Seriously just think a little longer before posting. I still don't notice any difference in you from our first newbie game.
I'm seriously considering Toad's idea to vote you in as sherrif but I'm a bit worried because other people seem to think you're not a complete noob at mafia idiot.
OK I think this is important for everyone:
Can someone please convince me that Vivax isn't a complete noob at mafia? Someone mentioned it earlier
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On January 22 2013 02:43 JieXian wrote:
Getting modkilled is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia
This is absolutely true. I'm not advocating lynching him because he doesn't care about playing mafia though, and nobody is defending him on the ground that he "usually doesn't care about playing mafia."
Bugs said a thing about stutter's past games.
I went to go look at the past games to see whether I agreed with the thing.
I do not agree with the thing.
That doesn't make bugs wrong, that doesn't make stutter mafia. It just means that the only thing I've seen that's a real reason not to lynch stutter is something I disagree with, so I'm still down for lynching stutter.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:36 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't care if the elected roles are smurf, they have to be vets, and they have to be trustworthy.
Gonzaw isn't trustworthy for shoveling shit at me for being absent after my candidacy like JX did + trying to be overly politically correct to everyone.
austin isn't trustworthy for using artificial reasons to defend JX and picking stutters as lynch candidate.
Austin used the argument: "Slight paranoia is townie" cause he wrote something about a Toad jester. Austin clearly didn't give a shit about JXs alignment from the start. That's my interpretation. FT already pointed out that this was a mistake.
Seriously, stay the fuck away from gonzaw and austin. I'd rather have Chezinu mayor than these two. Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 01:55 Vivax wrote:
FT for mayor, that's out of discussion. Screw austin and gonzaw, they have to stay in put positions.
Just make me his second hand and this town is set for victory. Those two statements are a huge contradiction
You are right, but frankly, I couldn't care less about it. I wrote that cause I don't want Djo, Oats or yamato in office. I consider myself to be such a good candidate that I exempted myself from that.
@ austin
I don't make too much out of that interaction with yamato, doesn't look like something valuable to determine if he's scum. He could ask that question as either alignment.
Yamato started out with saying sandro is bright red, then he lost interest after an answer by sandro he considered convenient.
Looks like a question that had to be asked.
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On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw
Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?
Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now. It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin. I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum
I don't get this. Why?
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I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that.
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Look at Vivax' scum game in LVIII when everyone was completely fooled (except debears) and thought he was town.
This is my third game with him. Also, you can ask for the obs QT for Dessert Mini and read through that, paying attention to Vivax' posts and people's opinion of them.
I do not think he is a noon, or bad at the game. What I do think is that he's been suspicious. Anyone supporting Vivax is suspicious.
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On January 22 2013 02:53 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:43 JieXian wrote:
Getting modkilled is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia This is absolutely true. I'm not advocating lynching him because he doesn't care about playing mafia though, and nobody is defending him on the ground that he "usually doesn't care about playing mafia." Bugs said a thing about stutter's past games. I went to go look at the past games to see whether I agreed with the thing. I do not agree with the thing. That doesn't make bugs wrong, that doesn't make stutter mafia. It just means that the only thing I've seen that's a real reason not to lynch stutter is something I disagree with, so I'm still down for lynching stutter.
What thing is that? Please be fast and I'm not joking around, trying to decide before I sleep.
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Just for the record, so Vivax doesn't post more bullshit slandering of me, I am indeed still interested in seeing Sandroba die. Dude is more like the scum Sandro I saw in Chrono than the town one in Parallel, at this moment.
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On January 22 2013 02:49 debears wrote:
Austin
Would you lynch stutters over sandroba right now?
I would lynch stutters over sandroba right now + Show Spoiler +GAH, I HAVE BEEN CALLING HIM STUTTER FOR A COUPLE POSTS BECAUSE I SAW THAT AND ASSUMED I WAS ADDING AN S. BAD WHOEVER CALLED HIM STUTTER, BAD!
I would lynched stutters over anyone right now.
I think it was Gonzaw, but whoever said they hate some vets getting leeway because "they always play like this" or "they'll be useful if they're town" was right. It's dumb, but we do it. I'm not even really looking at sandroba critically right now because I have that mindset. It's pointed out every game that he's lazy as scum, and he never seems to be NOT lazy as scum, but there's nothing he's doing that I'm worried about right now? He hasn't been SUPER active in the town games I've seen from him, bar bureaucracy I think. So for now he's just not on my radar as a strong read either way, and I'm not going to lynch someone who is in that position.
That's...a weird set of two people for you to pick.
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On January 22 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw
Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?
Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now. It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin. I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum I don't get this. Why? ___ I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that.
Unless the mafia sub in for both bodyguards, the sheriff and mayor cannot be nked until the bodyguards are taken down. That means that we should place good town players who are likely to get nked in the mayor and sheriff spots.
Vivax is not by any means a player at threat of being nked as town. He doesn't have good reads.
Austin and Gonzaw are two players that are nk targets as town and have good reads from what I have heard. I'd say either of them is a good choice for sheriff, with Gonzaw preferred
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I think he's referring to my statement that I would personally put him in the "scummy as town" column. He chose to argue against that by looking at how many votes stutters received, mostly in newbie games. (which I find misleading, since most newbies will look scummy but not take votes in newbie games lol)
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On January 22 2013 02:56 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:53 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 02:43 JieXian wrote:
Getting modkilled is an undeniable sign of not caring much about playing mafia This is absolutely true. I'm not advocating lynching him because he doesn't care about playing mafia though, and nobody is defending him on the ground that he "usually doesn't care about playing mafia." Bugs said a thing about stutter's past games. I went to go look at the past games to see whether I agreed with the thing. I do not agree with the thing. That doesn't make bugs wrong, that doesn't make stutter mafia. It just means that the only thing I've seen that's a real reason not to lynch stutter is something I disagree with, so I'm still down for lynching stutter. What thing is that? Please be fast and I'm not joking around, trying to decide before I sleep.
Bugs said that stutters usually looks scummy when he's town.
On January 21 2013 11:09 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 11:03 austinmcc wrote:On January 21 2013 11:00 DearestSnot wrote:On January 21 2013 10:56 Djodref wrote:On January 21 2013 10:53 DearestSnot wrote:
Whom do you want to lynch? Clarity for not being being the usual Claritown and not posting when he promised to do so. I could lynch debears as well for similar reasons. I suppose these are reasonable, but I don't want to spread ourselves too thinly. Chopped down the quotes, timestamps may be off. You find a debears lynch "reasonable." How do you feel about a stutters lynch? I find the suspicion reasonable but I don't think I would lynch either of those players today. Nor would I lynch stutters, particularly because stutters is a player I would firmly put in the "scummy as town" column.
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Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.
I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.
Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky.
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On January 22 2013 02:58 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:49 debears wrote:
Austin
Would you lynch stutters over sandroba right now? I would lynch stutters over sandroba right now + Show Spoiler +GAH, I HAVE BEEN CALLING HIM STUTTER FOR A COUPLE POSTS BECAUSE I SAW THAT AND ASSUMED I WAS ADDING AN S. BAD WHOEVER CALLED HIM STUTTER, BAD! I would lynched stutters over anyone right now. I think it was Gonzaw, but whoever said they hate some vets getting leeway because "they always play like this" or "they'll be useful if they're town" was right. It's dumb, but we do it. I'm not even really looking at sandroba critically right now because I have that mindset. It's pointed out every game that he's lazy as scum, and he never seems to be NOT lazy as scum, but there's nothing he's doing that I'm worried about right now? He hasn't been SUPER active in the town games I've seen from him, bar bureaucracy I think. So for now he's just not on my radar as a strong read either way, and I'm not going to lynch someone who is in that position. That's...a weird set of two people for you to pick.
So, you want to lynch a player who has known to barely contribute to town as town in his previous games (stutters) over a player who is highly respected as town and has not contributed (sandroba)?
Why is that?
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:51 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:42 FiveTouch wrote:
austin, why did you fail to address the point that Oatsmaster didn't even look into the case on prplhz or comment on it, saying that he was against any mayor who wanted to lynch a lurker, and then further ended up voting for you because he liked that you were killing this particular lurker? If this is a real question, then it's because I didn't address every point that every player brought up about some guy, because I'm human, etc. If it's not a real question, knock it off. I'd like to believe I'm not for killing stutters for "lurking," but because of the actual posts he has. When I look at the posts you're talking about, I don't get full-on inconsistency from them, or at least what you're seeing. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 12:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok 5touch, I was wrong and you were right, I just feel that JX wasent scum off those 2 posts.
HOWEVER, his disappearance since then is not good for him being town.
I dont want to vote for a mayor that advocates lurker lynching because it removes the responsibility that the mayor has to justify his lynches. I want the mayor to not be fucking retarded and actually takes some responsibility for his actions.
What you are seeing in the second post: Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be.
He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter.
Stutter's posted 4 posts and just disappeared, I feel that as a town player, his start wouldve been continued through the thread but it was not to be which makes me think that he is putting up a front of activity at the start to allay all suspicions then lurking his way through the rest of the game.
Vote: Austinmcc Right? That's what you're really taking issue with? That he identifies Stutter as a lurker, says he is going to lurk all game? However, his first post is that he doesn't want a mayor whose policy is to lynch lurkers, because he wants an accountable mayor. That is actually WEIRD to me because I haven't seen a single mayor candidate who says "Let's lynch a lurker." Everyone seems to have actual reasons for voting the folks they want to vote, or hasn't given a specific candidate, afaik. So...that's just a funky statement given that, in my mind, there is no mayoral candidate with the platform that Oats is against a mayoral candidate having. That aside, I don't see the second post as fully inconsistent with the first. If you pull out different phrases, it matches up. Show nested quote +Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be.
He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter. He seems to have reasons to vote me besides my choice of lynch. While that may be playing a part, he at least identifies a couple things that I have done/said. When he references me and stutter, he says that he agrees with my lynch target after reading my reasoning. My reasoning is not "stutter is lurking kill stutter." So to me, that goes find with the first post. I'm not advocating lurker lynching at all, I've advocating stutter-lynching. He at least has paid lip-service to the idea that I have reasoning behind that advocacy.
You're so fluffy, you post a lot but tend to manage to miss the main highlights.
1) Oats doesn't want to have a mayor who wants to lynch lurkers
2) Oats does not comment on prplhz at all
3) Oats likes your Stutters lynch, at least in part because "...he has 4 posts...then [he's going to] lurk his way through the game"
Why is Oats not commenting on prplhz at all? Why is he liking the lurking aspect of the Stutters case when being completely against it for the mayor?
Why did Oats attack me repeatedly and tarnish my motives, and then say "I bleed town"?
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On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.
I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.
Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky.
Huh?
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