your clean slate thing is stupid by the way day 1 is very important.
we must pay for our sins............
and by we i mean you.
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iamperfection
United States9635 Posts
your clean slate thing is stupid by the way day 1 is very important. we must pay for our sins............ and by we i mean you. | ||
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I'll make a new policy lynch up just to not lose this game at this point. No shenanigans like the replacement winning the game for scum team. Not today. | ||
Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
zel's play was suspicious and forgetable, typical mafia, but i'm not sure if its suspicious since it got to the point of getting a replacement. | ||
Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Palmar, why were you so sure that Wiggles was scum? I don't remember seeing anything from you besides that he was. If you ever lynch anyone who isn't scum I'm auto lynching you. Morbodious (or however you spell your name) please expand on that list you just posted. I hate lists. Let me copy and paste something I just wrote in an obs qt "Lists are not inherently scummy they just don't serve the purpose you intended them to. When using a list you don't provide enough insight into why you have the reads you have and it allows scum to hide behind 'reads' which they provide without evidence. A read without any evidence allows a scummer to appear involved but also allows them to drop the read for no reason. Lists are weak and either give scum too much information (sharing town reads is not helpful) or allow scum to hide behind them. " Eywa, I know you are new around here but Palmar is a big gun here. Attacking him d1 will get you no where. He will not get lynched d1. Do you have any other strong scum reads? Imp: why are you being a dick? Toad: I think I saw you asking Wiggles about his reads on you/Palmar/WBG what are your thoughts on his answers now that he has flipped? What are your thoughts on the other two guys? You three are the vets I respect most who are in this game and I'd like reads from all three of you on the other two. Dibbers: what is going on with you. I don't recognize this Dibbers. | ||
Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 21 2012 12:56 yamato77 wrote: Lynch the replacement! I'll make a new policy lynch up just to not lose this game at this point. No shenanigans like the replacement winning the game for scum team. Not today. yeah buddy, you know who wants replacements dead? Scum do. We'll talk about this more after I read the game. | ||
iamperfection
United States9635 Posts
I am dick. But neccesary dick. | ||
Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Who should I look into? Who are you suspicious of? What day 1 interaction is giving you the creeps? | ||
iamperfection
United States9635 Posts
Morbio list thing was bad too have to look more at him tommorrow. Dont bother looking at scribers and palmer they are town Palmar could have lead the lynch anywhere and he lead it to scum. Scribbers has been super townie and largely responsible for getting Wiggles lynched. Might need to look at stutters more he hasn't done shit. | ||
iamperfection
United States9635 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On December 21 2012 13:04 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2012 12:56 yamato77 wrote: Lynch the replacement! I'll make a new policy lynch up just to not lose this game at this point. No shenanigans like the replacement winning the game for scum team. Not today. yeah buddy, you know who wants replacements dead? Scum do. We'll talk about this more after I read the game. I was joking. But thanks for letting me know how eager you are to slap a scum tag on me. | ||
debears
United States2516 Posts
On December 21 2012 13:03 Promethelax wrote: hey all, I haven't been totally keeping up with the thread. It was making me sad that I wasn't in this game with all you awesome folks. I'm off to do a full read but I'm posting some thoughts first. Hit me up with anything you want looked at I'll be around for a few hours. Palmar, why were you so sure that Wiggles was scum? I don't remember seeing anything from you besides that he was. If you ever lynch anyone who isn't scum I'm auto lynching you. Morbodious (or however you spell your name) please expand on that list you just posted. I hate lists. Let me copy and paste something I just wrote in an obs qt "Lists are not inherently scummy they just don't serve the purpose you intended them to. When using a list you don't provide enough insight into why you have the reads you have and it allows scum to hide behind 'reads' which they provide without evidence. A read without any evidence allows a scummer to appear involved but also allows them to drop the read for no reason. Lists are weak and either give scum too much information (sharing town reads is not helpful) or allow scum to hide behind them. " Eywa, I know you are new around here but Palmar is a big gun here. Attacking him d1 will get you no where. He will not get lynched d1. Do you have any other strong scum reads? Imp: why are you being a dick? Toad: I think I saw you asking Wiggles about his reads on you/Palmar/WBG what are your thoughts on his answers now that he has flipped? What are your thoughts on the other two guys? You three are the vets I respect most who are in this game and I'd like reads from all three of you on the other two. Dibbers: what is going on with you. I don't recognize this Dibbers. Have a bunch of people just tell you your arguments are bad without actually saying why and you will realize how frustrated I am But anyways helwo prom. Good to finally play with you | ||
Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Yamato: I seriously said two things there 1) what you said is something only scum want and 2) we'll talk more about it later. Didn't even call you scum, though your miller claim is the only thing preventing me from doing so. Since your role puts you in the green column you'd do well to push for a town atmosphere instead of shitting around. You have the joy of being partially confirmed, use that to the advantage of town instead of being as ass. Dibbers: did you read chrono? I had the strongest town player in the game tunneling me for like a million cycles. I know how you feel. Just gotta get past it. I'm doing my best to compile a list for you of why your arguments are bad. Also, really our first game together? Woah. Morb: you voted WBG early on and promised a reason for doing so but instead vote switched to the Wig man, can you tell me what about WBG you found scummy and if that has changed now? more still coming. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On December 21 2012 14:17 Promethelax wrote: Thanks for the list Imp. That gives me something to look at. Yamato: I seriously said two things there 1) what you said is something only scum want and 2) we'll talk more about it later. Didn't even call you scum, though your miller claim is the only thing preventing me from doing so. Since your role puts you in the green column you'd do well to push for a town atmosphere instead of shitting around. You have the joy of being partially confirmed, use that to the advantage of town instead of being as ass. Dibbers: did you read chrono? I had the strongest town player in the game tunneling me for like a million cycles. I know how you feel. Just gotta get past it. I'm doing my best to compile a list for you of why your arguments are bad. Also, really our first game together? Woah. Morb: you voted WBG early on and promised a reason for doing so but instead vote switched to the Wig man, can you tell me what about WBG you found scummy and if that has changed now? more still coming. Lol, I'm being an ass? Oh no, police me Mr promethelax. I don't know why I should care what you have to say at this point. I pushed the lynch on the mafia godfather and am setting up to lynch debears. Or do you want to be next? | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
I don't know, this entrance by you is sketchy. You seem to feel the need to say only negative things. I don't know be you imagine this to be a townie thing to do after we lynch the godfather. | ||
debears
United States2516 Posts
Anyways, please actually read these and reread my earlier case on iamp. I have read through the thread and have determined the best direction for us moving forward, assuming I get shot by the vig (since Yamato and Toad so kindly called for him to shoot me over the fucking lurkers in stutter and vivax) Vig, if you're listening, do not shoot prom. He's generally active from what I've seen. We should be able to get a read on him. Stutters would be the best shot due to him being unreadable. Vivax is up there also | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On December 21 2012 15:14 debears wrote: Ok guys next post coming up will be my last before the night ends due to flights and all. Anyways, please actually read these and reread my earlier case on iamp. I have read through the thread and have determined the best direction for us moving forward, assuming I get shot by the vig (since Yamato and Toad so kindly called for him to shoot me over the fucking lurkers in stutter and vivax) Vig, if you're listening, do not shoot prom. He's generally active from what I've seen. We should be able to get a read on him. Stutters would be the best shot due to him being unreadable. Vivax is up there also Now you're just lying. I never said you should be shot. I said you should hang. I want to see who defends you like you defended wiggles. | ||
Stutters695
2610 Posts
Leading up to my last post (other than my vote) before the lynch I had a slight townie vibe on Vivax. Although I know I'm town he obviously wouldn't and his tunneling of me felt like he honestly thought I was scum (understandable given my activity level). However what has made me change that read has been his style of posting. When he was just focused on me, it was understandable. I missed a quote, got called out on it, he felt my answer wasn't satisfactory. Whatever, I can understand that. What bugged me was his filter after attacking me. First he posts his "case" one me, then attacks wbg while I'm not in the thread over "shitting up the thread" instead of an actual case. + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2012 03:35 Vivax wrote: Hi again chaps. Did I miss a massive scumslip from Wiggles for causing this voting mayhem, or is it just Palmars Icelandic charm? Catching up now.But you could help me by giving me a tl;dr summary of events :> This post stood out to me as well. So far in the thread he's just accused people of lurking and shitting up the thread. No actual cases but constantly calling out lurkers and providing a TL;DR on his lynch target instead Following up on that, after caliming to not reading the thread and his only contributions being attacking lurkers to this point. Following that, he votes Wiggles and he says he thinks Morbidius is more scummy yet doesn't post a case or even argue for his lynch "for the sake of consolidation." This feels like he's trying to actively lurk and I don't like it. My second biggest read is on Morbidius. The whole scumslip thing being a joke never sat well with me. He claims it was for a reaction, then votes for WBG without providing reasoning with the claim he'll do it later. Then he sheeps the case on Wiggles before random one liners into that lynch. I'm not sold on which of them is scum, but I feel like one of them is. Currently I'm leaning towards Vivax. | ||
Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 19 2012 09:45 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2012 09:42 sciberbia wrote: On December 19 2012 09:36 iamperfection wrote: On December 19 2012 09:35 Stutters695 wrote: Ebwop: thought so, internet sarcasm just isn't my thing. Anyway miller talk is pointless. If someone else rolled miller they should claim and we lynch the scummier of the two, otherwise it's a non issue until later down the line. After a few flips discussion on setup would have more meaning but currently it's pointless. Yamato if you're only making ten posts per cycle or whatever please try to make them higher quality/don't start that until we have stuff to discuss. but but what if they are actually both millers.......... lynch the scum dawg If I understand the setup correctly, there can be a maximum of one real miller. Keirathi replaced Innocent Child from C9++ with miller, and there can be a maximum of 1 Innocent Child in C9++. Therefore, it is very important that if anybody else is a miller, that they counterclaim. I still don't understand the sarcasm, but apparently yamato is actually claiming miller. So unless there is a counterclaim, I'm inclined to believe him. Why so eager to believe an uncounterclaimed miller? Someone said there's a 60% chance there isn't a miller. We should just ignore the claim and judge him by his actions Dibbers, were you being a sarcastic ass here or did you really not know that it was the Sciberian who had given you those stats? Serious question. Please answer. Along with my earlier post to Eywa, I'd just like to add that I hate roleplayers. Please stop it and provide actual content. I know that you have stopped being Victor but please please please continue just being you and posting what you want to post. why do you think that no-lynch is optimal d1 for town? On December 19 2012 23:39 Palmar wrote: Also I don't mind lynching the roleplayer. What is it about a role player that is lynchable to you? Imp: what changed between here On December 20 2012 02:58 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On December 20 2012 02:36 zelblade wrote: Regarding eywa, I do find him pretty suspicious. First is obviously the roleplaying, and there are also a couple of posts I find questionable. + Show Spoiler + I would like to examine the current situation and weigh in on mathematics. Generally speaking, there is a 75% or higher chance that if we kill someone on the first day that we will end up in a worse predicament than we currently are. I understand that our streets have been taken over by scum at night, but fear is not a reason to lose all our civil rights and obligations. As a productive member of society and an established citizen of this town, I plead that we take it easy today and allow our local police force to run their investigations before we strike. I presume that this is an attempt to get us to no-lynch. (Correct me if I am wrong) I generally do not agree with a no-lynch as it is a waste of a day, but merely suggesting so obviously isnt scummy. What I do not like though is that he simply mentions it in passing, gets shot down by iamperfection and never mentions it again. If he believes that a no lynch would be beneficial for town, why doesnt he attempt to push for one but merely just bring it up once? Seems possible that he is trying to derail the thread into lynch vs no lynch but decides to just back out. + Show Spoiler + Well, I was pretty drunk last night as I was out late at the Tavern... As I wander home, I stumbled and fell... A strange figure walked out from the shadows, though I could not make out his face, I dare not show myself as he seemed rather keen on making sure no one was about. I think he might be planning something... I could only guess at this point, but the figure kind of seemed similar to that of debears, I can't say for sure. My head is spinning a little bit now that I think of it, it was a little too much action for me last night. However, I did see sciberbia and iamperfection at the Tavern as well, so I doubt they have anything to do with it. This post is also pretty problematic imo. I assume that he is saying that he feels that sciberbia & iamprefection are town and that dbears is scum. I dont understand why he would decide to post his reads randomly as town. As mentioned by toad, these reads serve no purpose without any reasoning behind them. Furthermore, it does not seem that he intends to push dbears at all - so why mention that he thinks dbears is scummy? That said though, I kind of doubt that scum would have the balls to pull something like this as it draws alot of attention and it is somewhat likely that he would get lynched for it. Leaning scum slightly for now, will wait for his case on whoever. Stutters is another person I find suspicious. I generally agree with Vivax's case on him. Also find his accusation onto Mordbidus kind of wierd, as it seemed pretty clear to me that it obviously wasnt a scumslip and thus not a legit accusation. Could be trying to pull attention of himself? how can you say your suspicios of eywa and not comment on his palmar case also i like eywa now he is playing better looks town now pretty strong town maybe even my strongest town read. ##unvote where Eywa was your strongest town read and here On December 21 2012 13:16 iamperfection wrote: Debars is being extremly awful or is scum Morbio list thing was bad too have to look more at him tommorrow. Dont bother looking at scribers and palmer they are town Palmar could have lead the lynch anywhere and he lead it to scum. Scribbers has been super townie and largely responsible for getting Wiggles lynched. Might need to look at stutters more he hasn't done shit. where Eywa is not mentioned as a townie? On December 20 2012 04:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 20 2012 04:43 yamato77 wrote: On December 20 2012 04:34 Eywa- wrote: On December 20 2012 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Eywa, I like you style, screw the haters. One question though: You make this post: On December 19 2012 23:51 Eywa- wrote: I would like to examine the current situation and weigh in on mathematics. Generally speaking, there is a 75% or higher chance that if we kill someone on the first day that we will end up in a worse predicament than we currently are. I understand that our streets have been taken over by scum at night, but fear is not a reason to lose all our civil rights and obligations. As a productive member of society and an established citizen of this town, I plead that we take it easy today and allow our local police force to run their investigations before we strike. Saying that you'd like us to consider going for a no-lynch on Day 1 and just waiting for Day 2, so that we can possibly get a check in, or at the very least have something to talk about. Later, you come in with your analysis of Palmar, which is cool that you made it, but after re-reading, one thing that stuck out to me was that a majority of the posts and behaviour of Palmar that you draw on comes from before you made your no-lynch post. In-between your no-lynch post and your analysis, you were called out by a couple players for not commenting on the game (which I disagree with, but whatever). So, the analysis came after that. So, my question to you, is when did you become suspicious of Palmar? The timing of the post combined with the posts you draw from don't really fit when put into the context of your no-lynch post. You ask to no-lynch, then later you make a post saying Palmar is scum, which is fine, because you can change your mind, but your analysis is all based on stuff Palmar did before your no-lynch post, so if you found it to be so scummy, why didn't it strike you before? So, to me, it looks like you made your no-lynch post, got shut down, then went back and looked for someone to make a case on. What gives? No lynch was never going to happen (even if it is a good play in some situations), it was simply a post for me to bide my time to look at the players and see what they can come up with. I can't drop the role play until I come out with a solid argument. I determined the scum with certainty and I analysed how every single one of his posts just ooze of scum. Once that was done, I could drop the initial act and get the town behind lynching a scum. No, what you did was post useless shit, then come out with a bunch of posts taken out if context read with supreme confirmation bias. I am not impressed. ##Vote Eywa This is possibly the dumbest vote I've seen in a long time. WBG: is the above comment suggesting that Yamato is town? That is how I read it since you both called it dumb and did not call him scum. Please clarify your read on the Yam man. You also had this little gem On December 20 2012 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote: And Wiggles also actually. Although I have something in my notes that is not making sense so I'm going to reread. on wiggles, I don't get what you had to say here. He might be town or maybe not let me go back. After going back you say: On December 20 2012 06:19 wherebugsgo wrote: so since we agree on wiggles, why don't we just kill him then? I'll wait till you read zelblade at least. I can see your reasoning but obviously we disagree in conclusions. what changed in there? What was it in your notes which didn't make sense and why did you suddenly agree on scum wiggles? Yamato: I don't know if you have officially dropped your post restriction or just upped your limit. Either way you need to start posting content. Forgo the post restriction and instead force yourself to only make post with a certain word count. I dunno but this is not working out for you. Vivax: you really had to fish for a reason to get on that Wiggles lynch didn't you? Consolidation? In a plurality lynch... | ||
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