Hello there fellow townlets,
Your friendly neighborhood debears here, trying to bring some insight of the one, the only, the scum, iamperfection
Here are my reasons:
1) Contradiction in his case against me
2) Calling me out for not scumhunting, especially when he hadn't done shit
3) Blatantly misinterpreting my meta
4) Bad logic used to discredit me
1) Contradiction in his case against me about scumhunting
Here's his case against me
+ Show Spoiler +On December 21 2012 00:22 iamperfection wrote:ah fuck it all do it from work ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Why is debars scum? Quite simply he is not scum hunting at all. Town debars from mario mini is extremely aggressive and yes his tone in this game is aggressive but the main difference is that he does not pursue his targets in way productive for town. His contributions so far this game can be summed up as 1. Shitting the thread up with toad 2. calling out stutters. ( this was good but i will have more on this later) 3. Calling out Vivax for claiming vanilla townie.(whatever) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Point 1His tunneling of toad is mafia motivated. Debars has shown in the past to have no problem being flexible with town in order to push multiple reads see mario mini here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=48#944His tunneling in this game shows that he is distant with the happenings of the thread because he has no interest in finding scum. Town Debars would not pack it in and simply tunnel toad in order to look like he is contributing. Also if you look at his points against toad they are very weak and he does not give good reasons why their are mafia motivations behind toads actions. His case on toad boils down to he is being unreasonable but town members are unreasonable all the time. Hell im one the most unreasonable people ever i hold vets like palmar and in other games when im town to ridiculous standards and call them out for it they dont reach it (with mixed results) Point 2 His calling out of stutters Sure it was good in all but he does not push the read at all. As we saw before in mario he has no problem look at multiple targets at the same time. In this game he just drops and doesn't comment on it any further. Once again debars is being very distant with the thread because he is not actually looking for scum Point 3lack of engagement Kind of more of a feel thing and somewhat covered already but overall debars is giving me a feel of just not being here and engaged. This kid can have a 10 page filter on day 1 if he wanted to and he hasn't. I just think he doesn't care about catching scum. tldr debars is scum unless debars works some miracle im going to stick my vote and push him further i would like everyone to comment on my case ## Vote debars
Notice two main points of Iamp's case highlighted in red
1) He thinks town debears would pursue his reads (aka tunnel to some degree)
2) He thinks town debears wouldn't tunnel someone who town debears thinks is scum (lol)
That's a damned if I do, damned if I don't kind of accusation
He states that I didn't state any mafia motivation behind Toad's posting. That is false
Here is my Toad case from earlier (there is more to add but that will come later)
+ Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 08:38 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 07:35 Toadesstern wrote:On December 20 2012 07:15 debears wrote:
Ah wtf its in the quotes
So you don't use meta? If so do you have multiple other games where you say this?
I do use meta, pretty much actually, I just don't read old games I weren't part of because I think you've got the be in the situation first hand to understand it and how it came to it. Additionally if I start reading old games for someone I have to do it for everyone. I don't really feel like reading 30 games.... Yeah got a bunch of games stateing that, go ahead and search them^^ Ok. This is just fucking unreasonable 1) You were pretty happy to jump on me early when you didn't read my game 2) You say you use meta "pretty much" 3) You didn't bother to quickly check the game I listed in the thread to check my reaction (in other words USING META) 4) When I request a couple of quotes from your previous games you say that I can go search them. That is bullshit. Total bullshit. I ask you for something fucking specific that you should easily be able to point out. This isn't something that's easy to ctrl f through filters. What's your reasoning for being uncompliant when you should have a pretty good idea where to find something like that from your previous games I'm looking, and if I don't find anything, I'm screaming your name from the mountains until you are lynched. ##Unvote
##Vote Toad On December 20 2012 09:13 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:55 Toadesstern wrote:On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. Only remotely normal game I remember Sandroba being scum is Liar mafia. His meta was blatantly obvious there, because he just plain didn't care about the game. That is not the impression I am getting from him. I have played with town Sandroba a couple of times now, and am getting a similar feeling. The main difference is that he has gone awol for long stretches of time. I don't like that at all, but admit real world stuff does come up and interfere with playing sometimes. I am uncomfortable lynching Sandroba with the ONLY thing I can hold against him is that he was afk when it counted. Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Toad doesn't have a meta read on Sandro at all. He has a "Syllo is town, therefore Sandro must be scum" read based on the party leader elections, which is pants-on-head retarded. nope I had a meta read on Sandro up until yesterday. He was way to "friendly" when talking to syllo imo which again is a reason I liked syllos conversation with him. Town Sandro usually isn't open at all and tries to net people, by being sneaking and laying traps, so I didn't like what he was showing on d1. Problem about meta reads is you can't explain them because as someone else stated I don't think reading an old game is anything like playing it. You've got to be in the game yourself you're referring to imo. I'm saying "had" because what sandro said today, especially him being pissed makes me rethink things a bit... but I'd still say he's mafia considering that I'm not and syllo's probably not either. Yeah I'd say mafia had their eggs in the basked. Ok found the quote in chrono. Why in the fuck did you not just tell me you said it in chrono??? If you are town and you believe I am town, you are wasting my fucking time for no reason
If you are town and you believe I am scum, you want to waste my time on a wild goose chase
If you are scum, you are purposely wasting my time On December 20 2012 09:28 debears wrote:Also Toad, based on these two posts, you seem to have clearly established at that time, based on your misconception, that I was exhibiting behavior that was very largely scum oriented and very little town oriented, yet you didn't vote me + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 23:42 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 23:32 Palmar wrote:@sciberbia To add to your case, I had already noticed this post as you did: On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:
I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 What sticks out to me here is the first part. The second part is obviously correct, but the first part is interesting, why is it included in this post? It's not necessary to drive the point across, it doesn't help debears press the issue, all there is to it is an attempt to convince that since this is what he does, we need not worry about him being mafia. I need to read more, but I think maybe we have a good option here for a lynch. yeah agree. Imo those 3 ones in conjunction are equally interessting, if not more so: Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.
Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap? I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.
Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap? I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 were you town or scum that game? He's basicly telling us to lynch the guy because he's doing something stupid with the reasoning that he once did the very same thing AS TOWN. Given his history he at least should be the guy telling people something the lines of "okay, this guy is retarded but sometimes townies are retarded. I did the same mistake in a recent game" given how people apparently love to defend other people... well or at least not bring it up the way he did. Instead he's insta-voting him with a flawed logic when he should be well aware of all that. On December 19 2012 23:57 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 23:50 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 23:16 sciberbia wrote:Just woke up and reread everything. So far, I'm leaning scum on debears and iamperfection
debearsThe main thing I find suspicious about debears is that he twice seemed to be demanding explanation from other people, but then backed off rather easily when they failed to explain themselves. See spoiler for quotes + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:27 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:25 Vivax wrote:
Hi noobs,
I'm a Vanilla townie.
And I don't understand why yamato is so afraid of posting much. What. The. Fuck ##Vote Vivax On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.
Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap? I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 On December 19 2012 09:50 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:48 Vivax wrote:
Hey debby, I've just finished writing a huge post in another game.
Admit it, you just voted for me cause I called you noob. I don't remember that at all actually. And mind explaining what pro-town purpose your claim has? On December 19 2012 09:51 Vivax wrote:Maybe later  On December 19 2012 09:52 debears wrote:
Fair enough Debears immediately voted Vivax and made a followup question. I found it odd that he backed off so easily. He recently unvoted Vivax as well. This suggests to me that he wanted to appear to be asking important questions, but didn't want to draw too much attention to himself. Next is his little back-and-forth with iamperfection: + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:41 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:40 iamperfection wrote:you remember everything from that game? dont be retarded the reason you remember you claiming vt is because it was you Eh. True. I would just think that SnB screaming "Kenpachi rule!!!" would have come across your brain  Similar thing here. In the 1st quote, debears seems to be implying that iamperfection is scummy for maliciously not remembering Mario Mini. But in the 2nd quote, he backs off when iamperfection gives an obvious answer. Why bother to ask the question at all if you're going to be satisfied with "I just don't remember"?
iamperfectionI find iamperfection's start to the game a bit scummy. I think the main motivation behind scum posts at the start of D1 is to quickly be established as an "active poster" and not a lurker. iamperfection's posts are many in number, but a lot of them are pretty pointless and give me the feeling that he's posting just for the sake of posting: + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:amuse me give a reason why. On December 19 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.
Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap? I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 were you town or scum that game? On December 19 2012 09:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:36 yamato77 wrote:On December 19 2012 09:35 Stutters695 wrote:
Ebwop: thought so, internet sarcasm just isn't my thing.
Anyway miller talk is pointless. If someone else rolled miller they should claim and we lynch the scummier of the two, otherwise it's a non issue until later down the line. After a few flips discussion on setup would have more meaning but currently it's pointless.
Yamato if you're only making ten posts per cycle or whatever please try to make them higher quality/don't start that until we have stuff to discuss. People making dumb accusations. I have to post against them. This post will be the final one that I won't count against my arbitrary posting limit. hey i think your arbitrary post limit is stupid and you shouldn't do it. If your town i want to know what you think and if your scum well the walls will come crashing down eventually. So either way i don't want a posting restriction from you On December 19 2012 10:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:50 Eywa- wrote:
Hello everyone,
My name is Victor Valentine and I have just moved to this town from the great metropolis of New York City. I speak both English and French... I have gotten here through obtaining a job at the local power plant. I wish to have a beer down at the local tavern to get to know some people from this town. Let me know what you all think!
of what have fun with your role play stuff but from your post you have actually commented on absolutely nothing. So im thinking maybe scum what you think? On December 19 2012 10:27 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:26 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 09:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm miller.
This post is not going to count against my post count because I'm forced to do this, I believe. wut? wut are you confused about? On December 19 2012 10:53 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:51 Morbidius wrote:On December 19 2012 10:32 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 10:30 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 10:27 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 10:26 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 09:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm miller.
This post is not going to count against my post count because I'm forced to do this, I believe. wut? wut are you confused about? He seems to think he's forced to claim miller, and is talking about post count? he said before the game started he was imposing a post count restriction. I strongly suggest him to drop the post count restriction, it will only restrict our reads on him. Also this whole ''post count restriction'' is convenient if he got scum. there an echo in here?
I'd appreciate some thoughts on my points. Palmar, you can consider this your two people to analyze if you want. Apparently, you've already looked at debears, so do you agree or disagree with what I said? What do you think of debars votes on stutters? Im leaning town on debars because 1. A scum debars would know better than to come after me at all after mario mini 2.He was absolutely right on stutters just recapping the thread and not stating anything at all. His response was to apologize basically which i hate. also too toad and palmar who i have caught with my ninja f5 i think your totally misrepresenting what debars is saying considering his vote is on stutters. He is obviously trying to lynch him dawgs. so im thinking about a stutters lynch right now I get what you're saying though if you think I am misrepresenting what he said I want you to interpret what he said here: Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:27 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 09:25 Vivax wrote:
Hi noobs,
I'm a Vanilla townie.
And I don't understand why yamato is so afraid of posting much. What. The. Fuck ##Vote Vivax The wording is either incredibly sincere which would make him an incredibly cynical (not cynical... I don't remember the correct word right now  ) considering that he did the very same thing or it makes him someone faking emotions for whatever reason. Yet, you seemed to vote WBG with very little reasoning showing how his posting is largely scum oriented Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Hey Palmar. Do you think WBG would be so open about explaining what he's doing if he's really trying to do what he wants us to think he's doing? wifomwifomwifom Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On December 20 2012 00:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
So Toad where is your vote? Might be on you sometime later. On December 19 2012 16:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
Toad is scum, let's kill him, toad is scum, let's kill him, lalala la la laaaaaa
##vote Toadesstern
into On December 19 2012 21:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
At this point in the game it's not the figuring out of alignments that's the problem. It's publicizing reads that I don't have an interest in publicizing.
I have no reason to make public reads that are better off being developed in private. Tainting reads by giving your targets forewarning that they're being watched carefully is generally (I've found) a good way to ruin them, at least on day 1.
That's why I like to observe, for the most part, or at least cause some reactions, without putting forth all of my motives. really doesn't work bugs. The only reason I didn't say it more clearly is because after all there might be someone stupid enough to go all batshit about your first vote. Noone did. You're still going with it? Why are you explaining what you're doing when your "plan" revolves around being a trap? Again, why are you still going with it? You get on him for not wanting to publicize all his reads. Wow that's not largely scum oriented. Town has no reason to dish out all their reads on d1 do they? Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:28 Toadesstern wrote:
Actually
##vote wherebugsgo
I really don't see mafia NOT telling someone who's not a vet (assuming team mafia is not vet only :p) to vote bugs for his vote. Neither do I think that not a single mafia thought voting bugs might be a good way to place a vote after his vote.
There, now you've got your reaction bugs. Still no reason showing a clear mafia oriented mindset for WBG, yet you voted him when, in my posts, you tried to establish that I had a clear mafia oriented mindset.
Ain't that funny?
Ha isn't that funny, I specifically state how his action is mafia oriented. Wow. That's interesting
Next, look at his point about me calling out stutters.
This is what he said early in the game about me
+ Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 23:59 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 23:57 Toadesstern wrote:On December 19 2012 23:50 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 23:16 sciberbia wrote:Just woke up and reread everything. So far, I'm leaning scum on debears and iamperfection
debearsThe main thing I find suspicious about debears is that he twice seemed to be demanding explanation from other people, but then backed off rather easily when they failed to explain themselves. See spoiler for quotes + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:27 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:25 Vivax wrote:
Hi noobs,
I'm a Vanilla townie.
And I don't understand why yamato is so afraid of posting much. What. The. Fuck ##Vote Vivax On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.
Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap? I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 On December 19 2012 09:50 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:48 Vivax wrote:
Hey debby, I've just finished writing a huge post in another game.
Admit it, you just voted for me cause I called you noob. I don't remember that at all actually. And mind explaining what pro-town purpose your claim has? On December 19 2012 09:51 Vivax wrote:Maybe later On December 19 2012 09:52 debears wrote:
Fair enough Debears immediately voted Vivax and made a followup question. I found it odd that he backed off so easily. He recently unvoted Vivax as well. This suggests to me that he wanted to appear to be asking important questions, but didn't want to draw too much attention to himself. Next is his little back-and-forth with iamperfection: + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:41 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:40 iamperfection wrote:you remember everything from that game? dont be retarded the reason you remember you claiming vt is because it was you Eh. True. I would just think that SnB screaming "Kenpachi rule!!!" would have come across your brain Similar thing here. In the 1st quote, debears seems to be implying that iamperfection is scummy for maliciously not remembering Mario Mini. But in the 2nd quote, he backs off when iamperfection gives an obvious answer. Why bother to ask the question at all if you're going to be satisfied with "I just don't remember"?
iamperfectionI find iamperfection's start to the game a bit scummy. I think the main motivation behind scum posts at the start of D1 is to quickly be established as an "active poster" and not a lurker. iamperfection's posts are many in number, but a lot of them are pretty pointless and give me the feeling that he's posting just for the sake of posting: + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:amuse me give a reason why. On December 19 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.
Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap? I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 were you town or scum that game? On December 19 2012 09:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:36 yamato77 wrote:On December 19 2012 09:35 Stutters695 wrote:
Ebwop: thought so, internet sarcasm just isn't my thing.
Anyway miller talk is pointless. If someone else rolled miller they should claim and we lynch the scummier of the two, otherwise it's a non issue until later down the line. After a few flips discussion on setup would have more meaning but currently it's pointless.
Yamato if you're only making ten posts per cycle or whatever please try to make them higher quality/don't start that until we have stuff to discuss. People making dumb accusations. I have to post against them. This post will be the final one that I won't count against my arbitrary posting limit. hey i think your arbitrary post limit is stupid and you shouldn't do it. If your town i want to know what you think and if your scum well the walls will come crashing down eventually. So either way i don't want a posting restriction from you On December 19 2012 10:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:50 Eywa- wrote:
Hello everyone,
My name is Victor Valentine and I have just moved to this town from the great metropolis of New York City. I speak both English and French... I have gotten here through obtaining a job at the local power plant. I wish to have a beer down at the local tavern to get to know some people from this town. Let me know what you all think!
of what have fun with your role play stuff but from your post you have actually commented on absolutely nothing. So im thinking maybe scum what you think? On December 19 2012 10:27 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:26 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 09:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm miller.
This post is not going to count against my post count because I'm forced to do this, I believe. wut? wut are you confused about? On December 19 2012 10:53 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:51 Morbidius wrote:On December 19 2012 10:32 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 10:30 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 10:27 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 10:26 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 09:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm miller.
This post is not going to count against my post count because I'm forced to do this, I believe. wut? wut are you confused about? He seems to think he's forced to claim miller, and is talking about post count? he said before the game started he was imposing a post count restriction. I strongly suggest him to drop the post count restriction, it will only restrict our reads on him. Also this whole ''post count restriction'' is convenient if he got scum. there an echo in here?
I'd appreciate some thoughts on my points. Palmar, you can consider this your two people to analyze if you want. Apparently, you've already looked at debears, so do you agree or disagree with what I said? What do you think of debars votes on stutters? Im leaning town on debars because 1. A scum debars would know better than to come after me at all after mario mini
2.He was absolutely right on stutters just recapping the thread and not stating anything at all. His response was to apologize basically which i hate.also too toad and palmar who i have caught with my ninja f5 i think your totally misrepresenting what debars is saying considering his vote is on stutters. He is obviously trying to lynch him dawgs. so im thinking about a stutters lynch right now I get what you're saying though if you think I am misrepresenting what he said I want you to interpret what he said here: On December 19 2012 09:27 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 09:25 Vivax wrote:
Hi noobs,
I'm a Vanilla townie.
And I don't understand why yamato is so afraid of posting much. What. The. Fuck ##Vote Vivax The wording is either incredibly sincere which would make him an incredibly cynical (not cynical... I don't remember the correct word right now ) considering that he did the very same thing or it makes him someone faking emotions for whatever reason. maybe. debars is super active as town so im not really worried about him
Notice how he had a town read on me initally due to my callout on stutters.
In the case, he suddenly finds it scummy. Why? Because I didn't pursue it.
That's funny, because he (iamp) should know stutters is very very lurky by nature. Trying to pursue a read on him is like pursuing a fucking groundhog. Stutters hardly ever comes out of his hole
Why wouldn't I, as town, pursue another read besides stutters since pursuing stutters would most likely be fruitless? Especially why wouldn't I go after more active players to try and determine their alignment?
Iamp's flip flop on me doesn't make sense at all from a town perspective.
2) Calling me out for not scumhunting, especially when he hadn't done shit
Let me give you guys the link to Iamp's filter. Look at his posts before calling me out. I'll post the scumhunting posts of his
+ Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 10:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:50 Eywa- wrote:
Hello everyone,
My name is Victor Valentine and I have just moved to this town from the great metropolis of New York City. I speak both English and French... I have gotten here through obtaining a job at the local power plant. I wish to have a beer down at the local tavern to get to know some people from this town. Let me know what you all think!
of what have fun with your role play stuff but from your post you have actually commented on absolutely nothing. So im thinking maybe scum what you think? On December 19 2012 23:50 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 23:16 sciberbia wrote:Just woke up and reread everything. So far, I'm leaning scum on debears and iamperfection
debearsThe main thing I find suspicious about debears is that he twice seemed to be demanding explanation from other people, but then backed off rather easily when they failed to explain themselves. See spoiler for quotes + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:27 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:25 Vivax wrote:
Hi noobs,
I'm a Vanilla townie.
And I don't understand why yamato is so afraid of posting much. What. The. Fuck ##Vote Vivax On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.
Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap? I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 On December 19 2012 09:50 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:48 Vivax wrote:
Hey debby, I've just finished writing a huge post in another game.
Admit it, you just voted for me cause I called you noob. I don't remember that at all actually. And mind explaining what pro-town purpose your claim has? On December 19 2012 09:51 Vivax wrote:Maybe later On December 19 2012 09:52 debears wrote:
Fair enough Debears immediately voted Vivax and made a followup question. I found it odd that he backed off so easily. He recently unvoted Vivax as well. This suggests to me that he wanted to appear to be asking important questions, but didn't want to draw too much attention to himself. Next is his little back-and-forth with iamperfection: + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:41 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:40 iamperfection wrote:you remember everything from that game? dont be retarded the reason you remember you claiming vt is because it was you Eh. True. I would just think that SnB screaming "Kenpachi rule!!!" would have come across your brain Similar thing here. In the 1st quote, debears seems to be implying that iamperfection is scummy for maliciously not remembering Mario Mini. But in the 2nd quote, he backs off when iamperfection gives an obvious answer. Why bother to ask the question at all if you're going to be satisfied with "I just don't remember"?
iamperfectionI find iamperfection's start to the game a bit scummy. I think the main motivation behind scum posts at the start of D1 is to quickly be established as an "active poster" and not a lurker. iamperfection's posts are many in number, but a lot of them are pretty pointless and give me the feeling that he's posting just for the sake of posting: + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:amuse me give a reason why. On December 19 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.
Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap? I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 were you town or scum that game? On December 19 2012 09:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:36 yamato77 wrote:On December 19 2012 09:35 Stutters695 wrote:
Ebwop: thought so, internet sarcasm just isn't my thing.
Anyway miller talk is pointless. If someone else rolled miller they should claim and we lynch the scummier of the two, otherwise it's a non issue until later down the line. After a few flips discussion on setup would have more meaning but currently it's pointless.
Yamato if you're only making ten posts per cycle or whatever please try to make them higher quality/don't start that until we have stuff to discuss. People making dumb accusations. I have to post against them. This post will be the final one that I won't count against my arbitrary posting limit. hey i think your arbitrary post limit is stupid and you shouldn't do it. If your town i want to know what you think and if your scum well the walls will come crashing down eventually. So either way i don't want a posting restriction from you On December 19 2012 10:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:50 Eywa- wrote:
Hello everyone,
My name is Victor Valentine and I have just moved to this town from the great metropolis of New York City. I speak both English and French... I have gotten here through obtaining a job at the local power plant. I wish to have a beer down at the local tavern to get to know some people from this town. Let me know what you all think!
of what have fun with your role play stuff but from your post you have actually commented on absolutely nothing. So im thinking maybe scum what you think? On December 19 2012 10:27 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:26 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 09:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm miller.
This post is not going to count against my post count because I'm forced to do this, I believe. wut? wut are you confused about? On December 19 2012 10:53 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:51 Morbidius wrote:On December 19 2012 10:32 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 10:30 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 10:27 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 10:26 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 09:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm miller.
This post is not going to count against my post count because I'm forced to do this, I believe. wut? wut are you confused about? He seems to think he's forced to claim miller, and is talking about post count? he said before the game started he was imposing a post count restriction. I strongly suggest him to drop the post count restriction, it will only restrict our reads on him. Also this whole ''post count restriction'' is convenient if he got scum. there an echo in here?
I'd appreciate some thoughts on my points. Palmar, you can consider this your two people to analyze if you want. Apparently, you've already looked at debears, so do you agree or disagree with what I said? What do you think of debars votes on stutters? Im leaning town on debars because 1. A scum debars would know better than to come after me at all after mario mini 2.He was absolutely right on stutters just recapping the thread and not stating anything at all. His response was to apologize basically which i hate. also too toad and palmar who i have caught with my ninja f5 i think your totally misrepresenting what debars is saying considering his vote is on stutters. He is obviously trying to lynch him dawgs. so im thinking about a stutters lynch right now On December 19 2012 23:57 iamperfection wrote:
hey Eywa i just noticed something in your filter you have literally commented on nothing.
## Vote Eywa
Start On December 20 2012 00:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:00 Eywa- wrote:
Now,
You can't just go out killing people on a whim, thus is characteristic of a violent sociopath... Something we should stray from in these difficult times. cut the shit give reads or burn baby. hell it dosent even have to be a read what do you think of me coming after you. Give me something bro On December 20 2012 02:17 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:12 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 20 2012 01:49 Morbidius wrote:
##vote wherebugsgo
Will post more on it later, am a bit busy at the moment but i promise to post more reasoning. Even so this is day 1 where scum reads are at their weakest. nice. This is the "I know this guy is not scum, but I'll post some bullshit later...however, since I know I'm wrong I'm going to mention the fact that on day 1 reads are weak, so I don't get raped by town later." ##unvote Toadesstern
##vote Morbidius its true he discredits himself in that post but i think it would be better to see what he has to say first @Eywa- see doesn't that feel much better. Palmar does tend to be lazy, stupid and useless day 1 but i think you had strong points in your case especially about the shirking of responsibility and the fact that palmar has floated around somewhat and kind of just been here. I think palmar is pretty easy to read though if he is scum and i would want to see more from him before lynching him on day 1.
So, a bunch of one-liners with loose comments on people. He's not aggressively going after anyone except for Eywa. And I wouldn't even call that aggressive, especially considering Eywa would be such an easy target for scum. In fact, what did Iamp do most of d1? DEFEND PEOPLE
Let me show you a couple examples
+ Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 23:50 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 23:16 sciberbia wrote:Just woke up and reread everything. So far, I'm leaning scum on debears and iamperfection
debearsThe main thing I find suspicious about debears is that he twice seemed to be demanding explanation from other people, but then backed off rather easily when they failed to explain themselves. See spoiler for quotes + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:27 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:25 Vivax wrote:
Hi noobs,
I'm a Vanilla townie.
And I don't understand why yamato is so afraid of posting much. What. The. Fuck ##Vote Vivax On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.
Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap? I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 On December 19 2012 09:50 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:48 Vivax wrote:
Hey debby, I've just finished writing a huge post in another game.
Admit it, you just voted for me cause I called you noob. I don't remember that at all actually. And mind explaining what pro-town purpose your claim has? On December 19 2012 09:51 Vivax wrote:Maybe later On December 19 2012 09:52 debears wrote:
Fair enough Debears immediately voted Vivax and made a followup question. I found it odd that he backed off so easily. He recently unvoted Vivax as well. This suggests to me that he wanted to appear to be asking important questions, but didn't want to draw too much attention to himself. Next is his little back-and-forth with iamperfection: + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:41 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:40 iamperfection wrote:you remember everything from that game? dont be retarded the reason you remember you claiming vt is because it was you Eh. True. I would just think that SnB screaming "Kenpachi rule!!!" would have come across your brain Similar thing here. In the 1st quote, debears seems to be implying that iamperfection is scummy for maliciously not remembering Mario Mini. But in the 2nd quote, he backs off when iamperfection gives an obvious answer. Why bother to ask the question at all if you're going to be satisfied with "I just don't remember"?
iamperfectionI find iamperfection's start to the game a bit scummy. I think the main motivation behind scum posts at the start of D1 is to quickly be established as an "active poster" and not a lurker. iamperfection's posts are many in number, but a lot of them are pretty pointless and give me the feeling that he's posting just for the sake of posting: + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:amuse me give a reason why. On December 19 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote:On December 19 2012 09:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think so, Morbidius. It looked pretty clear what he was trying to say to me.
Debears, did you just fall for a Kenpachi trap? I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 were you town or scum that game? On December 19 2012 09:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:36 yamato77 wrote:On December 19 2012 09:35 Stutters695 wrote:
Ebwop: thought so, internet sarcasm just isn't my thing.
Anyway miller talk is pointless. If someone else rolled miller they should claim and we lynch the scummier of the two, otherwise it's a non issue until later down the line. After a few flips discussion on setup would have more meaning but currently it's pointless.
Yamato if you're only making ten posts per cycle or whatever please try to make them higher quality/don't start that until we have stuff to discuss. People making dumb accusations. I have to post against them. This post will be the final one that I won't count against my arbitrary posting limit. hey i think your arbitrary post limit is stupid and you shouldn't do it. If your town i want to know what you think and if your scum well the walls will come crashing down eventually. So either way i don't want a posting restriction from you On December 19 2012 10:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 09:50 Eywa- wrote:
Hello everyone,
My name is Victor Valentine and I have just moved to this town from the great metropolis of New York City. I speak both English and French... I have gotten here through obtaining a job at the local power plant. I wish to have a beer down at the local tavern to get to know some people from this town. Let me know what you all think!
of what have fun with your role play stuff but from your post you have actually commented on absolutely nothing. So im thinking maybe scum what you think? On December 19 2012 10:27 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:26 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 09:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm miller.
This post is not going to count against my post count because I'm forced to do this, I believe. wut? wut are you confused about? On December 19 2012 10:53 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:51 Morbidius wrote:On December 19 2012 10:32 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 10:30 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 10:27 iamperfection wrote:On December 19 2012 10:26 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2012 09:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm miller.
This post is not going to count against my post count because I'm forced to do this, I believe. wut? wut are you confused about? He seems to think he's forced to claim miller, and is talking about post count? he said before the game started he was imposing a post count restriction. I strongly suggest him to drop the post count restriction, it will only restrict our reads on him. Also this whole ''post count restriction'' is convenient if he got scum. there an echo in here?
I'd appreciate some thoughts on my points. Palmar, you can consider this your two people to analyze if you want. Apparently, you've already looked at debears, so do you agree or disagree with what I said? What do you think of debars votes on stutters? Im leaning town on debars because 1. A scum debars would know better than to come after me at all after mario mini 2.He was absolutely right on stutters just recapping the thread and not stating anything at all. His response was to apologize basically which i hate. also too toad and palmar who i have caught with my ninja f5 i think your totally misrepresenting what debars is saying considering his vote is on stutters. He is obviously trying to lynch him dawgs. so im thinking about a stutters lynch right now defends me oh wow On December 20 2012 00:39 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:33 sciberbia wrote:On December 19 2012 23:42 Toadesstern wrote:
He's basicly telling us to lynch the guy because he's doing something stupid with the reasoning that he once did the very same thing AS TOWN.
Given his history he at least should be the guy telling people something the lines of "okay, this guy is retarded but sometimes townies are retarded. I did the same mistake in a recent game" given how people apparently love to defend other people... well or at least not bring it up the way he did. Instead he's insta-voting him with a flawed logic when he should be well aware of all that. @ToadYou are misunderstanding what debears said. In Mario Mini, s&b was the guy that claimed VT, and debears was the guy that called him out on it (as town). So in the quote that Palmar drew attention to, debears was saying that he, debears, has "fallen into the Kenpachi trap" before as town. Debears never claimed VT on D1. @iamperfectionI gave debears a small townie point for the post where he votes stutters. As you say, he was right about stutters adding nothing new to the thread. However, I think Stutters's post was pretty easy to criticize. That is to say, debears can't possibly catch any flak for voting Stutters, as he was definitively correct about Stutters repeating stuff. So it's not enough to dissuade me from leaning scum on debears. I was more interested in the fact that he unvoted Vivax so easily. On Stutters, right now I am leaning town. Mainly because I don't think scum would be likely to not carefully read the thread, and proceed to make their first posts from a phone. Seems like a pretty reckless move, and more likely townie.@Eywa-Seriously dude, enough is enough. Please play to win. I dont really agree with that at all. scum do stupid shit sometimes. defends stutters On December 20 2012 01:00 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 00:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Toad's dumbness strikes again!
What a bullshit reason to vote someone. does it make him scum. For someone screaming bullshit you seem to have been full of it yourself going through your filter. i have no idea what to think of you. defends toad
So, to recap, up until his case on me, he
1) has no scumhunting besides on Eywa, who is an easy target
2) He felt like defending others instead of letting them do it themselves
Yet, he calls me a scum for not scumhunting. Ain't that odd?
3) Blatantly misinterpreting my meta
This refers to the
1) Activity tell
2) His reference to my tunneling
The activity tell is in no way foolproof. I disappeared for half of the d1 of Mario Mini, and I had a smaller filter than normal, yet he decides to not mention that at all, despite using mario mini for my meta
As stated earlier with tunneling, he has found me scum whether I pursue reads (tunnel) or don't. That's not townie thinking
Also, I need to include in here how he hasn't used any other game other than mario to back his meta read on me. In fact, he has refused to provide any kind of meta evidence from my other games
So, he doesn't want to bring up my actual meta, since he has twisted the meta he did use
4) Bad Logic Used to discredit me
On December 21 2012 01:42 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:34 debears wrote:
Iamp is scum his case is a total misrepresentation of my play.
I will not stand for thi shit. Ill go over it in more detail when I'm back home later today is yamato scum to because he agrees with me. maybe everyone who accuses debars is scum whatever dude you gone full retard.
Logic like this have no bearing on someone being town or scum. People sheep for stupid reasons all the time.
Iamp tries to deflect the accusations against him because he knows he's wrong.
What were his responses to my accusations against him?
+ Show Spoiler +On December 21 2012 01:18 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:15 debears wrote:
Iamp you should really read my toad case and my meta again.
1) my main problem with toad was his vote on wbg when he didn't vote me. His plsts about me seemed toc indicate that he believed I was showing strong mafia motivation in my one pos of "I did thag once". His reasoning for voting wbg was weak compared to his reasoning on me. Yet he didn't vote me
Add that with bim being unreasonable and wasting my time js scum oriented
2) I tunnel when I think I've found scum. Figure it out. You use one fucking game for your meta read? You're fu of shit
Also, did you forget that I tunneled the shit out of hapa and hopeless that game d1?
3)
3) I can't provide more content on someone (stutters) when they hardly post
4) you say I'm not interacting with the thread. That's a fucking lie. I interact plenty when I have time and other people are on. All last night the only person who showed was toad. Yamato came when I was getting off.
5) you say my activity is different. Have you even considered that its near fucking christmas??????????? Explain to me how its solely explained by scum motivation because its not
In fact, in mario mini, I disappeared for half of day one for activity
So iamp, you are
1) blatantly misrepresenting what I am doing in threae
2) arent rearing my cases
3) didn't actually look up my meta. 1 game =\= meta
4) misrepresenting my meta in the one game you did use
You are scum
##Unvote
##vote iamp
3) yeah ok buddy go do scum hunting if your town. You are not hunting scum and havent done it the entire game. You gave no reason for why im scum. "Go scumhunt". No refutation On December 21 2012 01:21 iamperfection wrote:
debars define scum characteristics for me. Lol. No relation On December 21 2012 01:22 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:21 debears wrote:On December 21 2012 01:18 iamperfection wrote:On December 21 2012 01:15 debears wrote:
Iamp you should really read my toad case and my meta again.
1) my main problem with toad was his vote on wbg when he didn't vote me. His plsts about me seemed toc indicate that he believed I was showing strong mafia motivation in my one pos of "I did thag once". His reasoning for voting wbg was weak compared to his reasoning on me. Yet he didn't vote me
Add that with bim being unreasonable and wasting my time js scum oriented
2) I tunnel when I think I've found scum. Figure it out. You use one fucking game for your meta read? You're fu of shit
Also, did you forget that I tunneled the shit out of hapa and hopeless that game d1?
3)
3) I can't provide more content on someone (stutters) when they hardly post
4) you say I'm not interacting with the thread. That's a fucking lie. I interact plenty when I have time and other people are on. All last night the only person who showed was toad. Yamato came when I was getting off.
5) you say my activity is different. Have you even considered that its near fucking christmas??????????? Explain to me how its solely explained by scum motivation because its not
In fact, in mario mini, I disappeared for half of day one for activity
So iamp, you are
1) blatantly misrepresenting what I am doing in threae
2) arent rearing my cases
3) didn't actually look up my meta. 1 game =\= meta
4) misrepresenting my meta in the one game you did use
You are scum
##Unvote
##vote iamp
3) yeah ok buddy go do scum hunting if your town. You are not hunting scum and havent done it the entire game. You gave no reason for why im scum. Thats a great response. If your case is so good you should be hammering me. Your response "go scumhunt because yiu haven't" is bullshit. I am scumhunting. You know you are wrong and you can't refute my case. I will not allow you to misrepresent my meta scum lol what case On December 21 2012 01:23 iamperfection wrote:
you dont have a case on me debars you basically said iamp is wrong so he must be scum. Yeah. Still no refutation. Still no evidence on meta. Refuses to acknowledge any of my scumhunting On December 21 2012 01:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:34 debears wrote:
Iamp is scum his case is a total misrepresentation of my play.
I will not stand for thi shit. Ill go over it in more detail when I'm back home later today by the way when you came back you tunneled me and shat up with toad once again. Made a passing comment on a couple others and gave no scum motivation behind anyone's actions. Your scum debars. im sorry. You just have to accept it.
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