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On December 14 2012 21:33 shabby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 21:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 14 2012 21:29 shabby wrote:On December 14 2012 21:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 14 2012 21:27 shabby wrote:On December 14 2012 21:26 Azzur wrote: I consider Curious a patchzerg and his patchzerg skills were showing in that game he should've easily won Haha. Curious is like the furthest thing from a patch zerg. He has been a solid ro32 code S zerg since forever, and his skill has neither declined nor increased tbh. He went undefeated when he won Code A O_o Every player has their one run. Its just variance. I was agreeing with you about him not being a patchzerg Aight, couldn't remember when the patch came out, people have been whining about zergs for so long the GSL seasons are a blur. Curious won code a in 2011 in the old format so waayyyyyy before the patch
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Roaches are a lot more expensive than drones. It's better to snipe Roaches than drones.
Why mess around in the Zerg's natural or third when you have juicy targets out in the open?
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On December 14 2012 21:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 21:30 sitromit wrote:On December 14 2012 21:26 Azzur wrote: I consider Curious a patchzerg and his patchzerg skills were showing in that game he should've easily won So now Curious, the only player to win Code A without dropping a single map when it was still its own tournament, is a patchzerg? OK... Everybody is a patchzerg. I'm a patchzerg too, my PvT got a lot better after the queen buff. Haha this is Genius
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On December 14 2012 21:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 21:33 shabby wrote:On December 14 2012 21:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 14 2012 21:29 shabby wrote:On December 14 2012 21:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 14 2012 21:27 shabby wrote:On December 14 2012 21:26 Azzur wrote: I consider Curious a patchzerg and his patchzerg skills were showing in that game he should've easily won Haha. Curious is like the furthest thing from a patch zerg. He has been a solid ro32 code S zerg since forever, and his skill has neither declined nor increased tbh. He went undefeated when he won Code A O_o Every player has their one run. Its just variance. I was agreeing with you about him not being a patchzerg Aight, couldn't remember when the patch came out, people have been whining about zergs for so long the GSL seasons are a blur. Curious won code a in 2011 in the old format so waayyyyyy before the patch
Yup, I think it was before Summer 2011...I think it was before qxc all-killing IM in fact...wow that is so long ago
Edit: Or was that puzzle that I'm thinking that won Code A that season?
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On December 14 2012 21:33 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 21:07 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:On December 14 2012 21:00 BackSideAttack wrote: I like how everyone only focuses on his macro and ignores his superb micro and multitasking. He had great splits,great maurader micro, great harassment, and great multitask micro- other than game 3 where he had literally no units back at home. He did all the little things like moving small pockets of units to snipe infestors and keeping his marauders in front to soak damage. Whenever roro counter-attacked, fantasy was microing on multiple fronts. If you think he sucks, then find me 5 esfi terrans who can multitask and micro as well as fantasy can. mkp mvp mma gumiho polt mkp has superb micro but awful multtasking. If you watched some of his GSL games, in particular the ones where he tried to do a hellion drop in the main followed by a bio attack at the natural against a zerg opponent, people were bming him on his poor control and how he shouldn't try to multitask his micro so much. Mvp's micro is definitely not as good as fantasy's despite being quite good. Go find me a game where mvp does all the things fantasy did in his games against roro. Mvp's mech heavy playstyle is much easier to multitask with than fantasy's bio heavy playstyle. When zerg counter-attacks its much easier to defend with stationary defenses than bio. If you watch his games in GSL against leenock, he lost because his bio play couldn't stand up to leenock's heavy counter-attack play. Simply he couldn't multitask and micro well enough. Gumiho has really subpar micro but great multitasking. He hits you everywhere at once but doesn't micro. Wolf mentions this in some of his gsl games Polt has awful multitasking. His macro isn't really even that much better than fantasy's especially considering he is doing less actions when not macroing. Polt is known not to be a very mechanical player, albeit he does have great control. He mostly wins by outsmarting his opponents MMA has great multitasking and good micro. However he rose to fame beating zergs who weren't particularly good at multitasking. Even DRG, who despite being great at multitasking, did not use it very much against terrans. The bottomline is, other than maybe MMA, non of the players you mentioned are better at BOTH multitasking and microing than fantasy. This is especially true when it comes to doing both at the same time. They mostly either do one of the other. Also take into consideration that fantasy is doing all this against roro, a player that is known for his multitasking. Obv he's going to look a lot sloppier when his opponent actually responds to his attacks appropriately. Even with his atrocious macro, he still came out ahead in most of the engagements in game 1 and 2 against Roro. That obviously means he controlled his army quite well, because he couldn't have had more units.
Heroooooooooooooooo
Page 57 is past btw.
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charge + collosus timing + some archons
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Genius' force fields are so impressive
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ah, i think the mutas are so smart!
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Wow 20 mutalisks. I think Curious won.
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mutas are not gonna be good for the timing Genius is going for lol.
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I don't know why genius loves zealots against roaches so much
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Mutas??? Hmm, I don't know how this will work. What upgrades does Genius have?
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Well, that should be game. :-/
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On December 14 2012 21:36 andaylin wrote: charge + collosus timing + some archons
Sounds like a good build. Did he get double upgrades and shields? That's my special build I pull out in Bo3+ series.
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On December 14 2012 21:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 21:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 14 2012 21:27 Shellshock1122 wrote: GSL S5 Code A Ro24 Genius vs Curious Game 3 Map: Cloud Kingdom 0:00 Genius spawns in the bottom left Curious spawns in the top right 2:00 pool first for Curious forge first for Genius pylon block at the natural of Curious 3:00 pylon canceled nexus for Genius hatch for Curious cannon for Genius Gateway for Genius 4:00 3rd for Curious double gas for Genius Cybernetics core for Genius 5:00 zealot for Genius sentry for Genius Stargate for Genius double gas for Curious 6:00 and 7:00 phoenixes for Genius +1 attack for Genius roach warren for Curious evo chamber for Curious Lair for Curious 3 more gates for Genius 2 more gas for Curious ling speed for Curious 8:00 macro hatch for Curious Genius hiding his phoenixes until the 4th comes out Robo for Genius +1 range attack started for Curious roach speed started for Curious 9:00 Genius sees roaches moving across the map so he sends his phoenixes home spores started for Curious +1 armor started for Genius 3rd base started for Genius 10:00 Robotics bay started for Geinus extra queens coming out for Curious to defend against phoenixes twilight council started for Genius queen picked off by the phoenixes +1 melee started for Curious 11:00 colossus production started for Genius extended thermal lance research started for Genius ling roach attack at the 3rd of Genius Genius holds it off and saves all of his sentries +2 attack started for Genius
12:00 spire finishing up for Curious charge research started for Genius 4th finishes for Curious +2 melee started for Curious 4 more gates for Genius +1 air attack started for Curious
13:00 Genius is 10 supply ahead after holding the attack Templar archives startedf or Genius 20 mutas coming out for Curious ling runby to the 3rd of Genius forcefield holds all the lings in 5th base started for Genius Genius only has 4 stalkers and 4 phoenixes for anti air
14:00 20 mutas flying out now Genius starts pushing out on the map first HTs are on the map roach runby at the 3rd of Genius 20 mutas fly into Genius's natural Genius going for the base race warp prism finishes for Genius mutas are killing tons of probes phoenixes try to fight the mutas
15:00 archons fighting the mutas mid map natural of Curious falls more mutas coming out for Curious natural nexus falling to mutas colossi clear out the 3rd of Curious drones all move to the 5th
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Genius' army stuck in a bad place now.
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Well that's kinda a huge problem when 20 Mutas fly into your natural and you had no idea about it previously.
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On December 14 2012 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 21:33 BackSideAttack wrote:On December 14 2012 21:07 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:On December 14 2012 21:00 BackSideAttack wrote: I like how everyone only focuses on his macro and ignores his superb micro and multitasking. He had great splits,great maurader micro, great harassment, and great multitask micro- other than game 3 where he had literally no units back at home. He did all the little things like moving small pockets of units to snipe infestors and keeping his marauders in front to soak damage. Whenever roro counter-attacked, fantasy was microing on multiple fronts. If you think he sucks, then find me 5 esfi terrans who can multitask and micro as well as fantasy can. mkp mvp mma gumiho polt mkp has superb micro but awful multtasking. If you watched some of his GSL games, in particular the ones where he tried to do a hellion drop in the main followed by a bio attack at the natural against a zerg opponent, people were bming him on his poor control and how he shouldn't try to multitask his micro so much. Mvp's micro is definitely not as good as fantasy's despite being quite good. Go find me a game where mvp does all the things fantasy did in his games against roro. Mvp's mech heavy playstyle is much easier to multitask with than fantasy's bio heavy playstyle. When zerg counter-attacks its much easier to defend with stationary defenses than bio. If you watch his games in GSL against leenock, he lost because his bio play couldn't stand up to leenock's heavy counter-attack play. Simply he couldn't multitask and micro well enough. Gumiho has really subpar micro but great multitasking. He hits you everywhere at once but doesn't micro. Wolf mentions this in some of his gsl games Polt has awful multitasking. His macro isn't really even that much better than fantasy's especially considering he is doing less actions when not macroing. Polt is known not to be a very mechanical player, albeit he does have great control. He mostly wins by outsmarting his opponents MMA has great multitasking and good micro. However he rose to fame beating zergs who weren't particularly good at multitasking. Even DRG, who despite being great at multitasking, did not use it very much against terrans. The bottomline is, other than maybe MMA, non of the players you mentioned are better at BOTH multitasking and microing than fantasy. This is especially true when it comes to doing both at the same time. They mostly either do one of the other. Also take into consideration that fantasy is doing all this against roro, a player that is known for his multitasking. Obv he's going to look a lot sloppier when his opponent actually responds to his attacks appropriately. Even with his atrocious macro, he still came out ahead in most of the engagements in game 1 and 2 against Roro. That obviously means he controlled his army quite well, because he couldn't have had more units. Heroooooooooooooooo Page 57 is past btw.
Kind of hard to type a comprehensive response, when the thread moves so fast
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