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Tunkeg
Let's lynched Tunkeg today !
Part I --- Lack of scumhunting
On December 11 2012 08:13 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 08:09 Vivax wrote:
Tunkeg, for whom of them would you vote right now if you had to? I'd vote you over both of them, and jay over Djor if I had to vote now. But in general I think there is to little information thus far to put down any votes.
So, at this point, Tunkeg would vote Vivax, jay or me in that order. But has he really put in any personal effort to figure out the alignment of these players (i.e. has he done some scumhunting) ? Not really...
Voting Vivax would be an OMGUS reaction. He would be totally sheeping Clarity on jay+ Show Spoiler [sheeping Clarity] +On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts:
*snip*
I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips.
*snip*
Tunkeg stance on me
+ Show Spoiler [wishy-washy and slightly scummy on Djo…] +On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
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I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?
On December 11 2012 07:46 Tunkeg wrote:
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For Djodref I think he have posted alot of useless questions, and maybe some usefull ones, maybe to look like he is active. But then again, maybe that is his style. I am not sure what to make of him.
*snip* On December 11 2012 07:56 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Tunkeg, do you think Djordref acted scummy in front of thrawns claim? By scummy in front of thrawn's claim, do you mean before thrawn claimed? If so, no, because he didn't post before thrawn claimed. If I think Djordref's play is more scummy in general than thrawn's claim, then yes, as I do find thrawn's claim more townie than scummy, and Djordref's play slightly scummy. I am not sure where you want to go with this question...
The spoilered posts show that Tunkeg doesn't know what to do with me and didn't try to figure me out by interacting with me or checking my previous games. Nevertheless, he would be ready to vote me today. Tunkeg doesn't put the effort that a townie should necessarily put to be sure if the guys he votes are really mafia or not. For me, it looks like he doesn't really care of who is going to get lynched today. This is some proof of a scum mindset.
Part II --- The reaction to WBG case
On December 11 2012 16:06 Tunkeg wrote:
Lol WBG. In these games you are linking to, and others games like it, haven't you been the one complaining about me posting readposts like that? And also me posting "useless" questions?
And now you say the same play you labeled as bad and useless actually was scumhunting?
If you want me lynched for meta fine. But don't try to convince the thread you were a fan of my previos play.
WBG's case on Tunkeg + Show Spoiler [the case in question] +On December 11 2012 14:43 wherebugsgo wrote:*snip* Tunkeg: Every post he makes is either a useless summary or a wishy washy load of crock shit. Exhibit A: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts:
Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this.
I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips.
I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?
He says absolutely nothing here. At the point that he posts this, it's general consensus that thrawn is town or at the very least dumb. Thus, his entire first paragraph is just saying something for the sake of saying something. It doesn't add anything to discussion, because no one fucking asked Tunkeg if he had a town read on Thrawn. We don't need to know everyone's town reads unless they have relevance to the lynch (i.e. the guy getting lynched or being suspected is town to you) Secondly, his thoughts on jay and djo are very nebulous and not specific at all. He also has no concrete opinion and whatever he does think was clearly not original (which is bad in the sense that, if that idea passes through to fruition, i.e. a lynch, he won't take the fall for it) Now, some stuff from meta: Here's a game Tunkeg played as town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337724. Here are some posts he made from day 1: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 18:00 Tunkeg wrote:
Time for some Q&A's. I don't see any questions for except rethorical ones and questions that are allready answered in my opening thread. If you do have a question for me, or want me to clarify anything, make it clear that you want me to answer it. Now for my questions:
@VE
What do yout hink of WBG's helpfull opening post? I ask you because you got the most experience with him. As a standard normal player I would put this as a pro-town. With WBG I am unsure, as he is thought of as one of the best scumplayers on TL, and I think he is capable of leveling us with these kinds of posts.
@WBG
If you were a dayvig and had to lynch someone right now, who would it be and why?
@Acrofalis
You don't like my opening post, and thats ok. ET is comming to my defense, and are voting for you. What is your take on this situation? Do you think ET have any motives for defending me, and if so what are they?
@NT
What do you think about Acrofalis play thus far?
@ET
Not to derail your arguemnent with Acrofalis to much, but what do you get out of Zealos posts thus far?
@Zealos
I can see why someone would throw out a random vote on someone to pressure as number one (even if I don't think it is a great way of pressuring).You do this as number two on VE, for no reason. And next you are sheeping ET on his Acrofalis vote. Why did you vote VE? And could elaborate why you are voting Acrofalis?
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 05:29 Tunkeg wrote:
Reads d1 of Day1
Acrofalis/Marvellosity:
Leaning town based on Acrofalis aggression while he was in game. He tried to get this game going, and tried to apply some pressure.
EchelonTee:
Leaning town. He went into a fight with Acrofalis from the get go, and haven't been afraid to stick his head out.
Zealos
Get some scumvibes off him. He started the game by voting VE as number two, without a good reason. He claims it to be a joke later (which it might be). He then proceeds to vote Acrofales based on ET's case, and because of meta, basicly sheeping ET. The rest of his filter seems very empty, even though he got more post than most in this game. Some townpoints for actually bother to answer questions.
Mattchew
He might be one of those I called out for not posting earlier, that is a scum. I don't know what he is trying to do, but if his postingstyle continues this way he will be disruptive townie at best, and sabotaging scum at worst. Leaning scum for now.
Nova_Terra
Leaning scum. He was active at the start, but unlike Acrofalis his attempts at pushing seems more forced, and with no real weight behind it. His whole postingstyle seems very non-commital and gives me scumvibes.
Also Navillus need to get in the thread and do some more. His vote on WBG is the only thing he have done. And it was done without much reasoning, and in my opinion strange reasoning.
PS: I know you guys don't like list. But I want to do lists so bare with me.
PS 2: This is not an analysis post. It is a read post. When I am ready to put my vote down on someone I will try to make a good case/analysis on them. Exception is if there is a great case on them that I agree with, then I will be open about sheeping it, and probably just add some of my own reasoning to it.
Note how much more proactive he is in establishing reads and pushing questions and thoughts. In this game, he's all like: Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 08:13 Tunkeg wrote:On December 11 2012 08:09 Vivax wrote:
Tunkeg, for whom of them would you vote right now if you had to? I'd vote you over both of them, and jay over Djor if I had to vote now. But in general I think there is to little information thus far to put down any votes. The change in tone and willingness to scumhunt is incredibly apparent. Either Tunkeg has become drastically worse as a town player (doubt it) or he is scum this game. Just from memory I find these posts this game to be in contrast to how he played in Arkham City and in Mafia LI as well, where he was town. So, let's kill Tunkeg today. ##unvote
##vote Tunkeg
From Tunkeg's answer, you can see that he doesn't address the points WBG made against him and that he diverts the meta case against him into an emotional complaint about how WBG didn't appreciate his previous town play. After that, he keeps on discrediting WBG.
On December 11 2012 17:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 17:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
also I love how Tunkeg treats me like town when he responds to me, as if he already knows my alignment.
hehehehehehehehe I am not treating you like town. I am saying you are capable of getting me lynched regardless of allignment. And imo it is your "debatish" attitude towards the game that have given you a reputation for being a strong scumplayer. Your way of misrepresenting facts and winning arguements when being wrong helps you as scum, but is not that great when you are town. Either way you are wrong here, I am town, so you are either scum deliberatly trying to misrepresent the facts, or town overeager to win the arguement and not seeing the truth.
The fact that Tunkeg didn't calmly address the points made against him and went all emotional in his defense are strong points that indicate that Tunkeg is indeed scum.
Conclusion
Tunkeg- Lack of scumhunting
- Lack of interest in the people he considers as lynch candidates today
- Plays on a emotional rather than on a rational level
Please read my spoilers !
##Unvote
##Vote Tunkeg
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And I was having a crazy idea that I would like to share with everybody...
Let's say that we cannot get a consensus on who to lynch among jay, adam and tunkeg. Would anyone mind to policy lynch grush following a "Lynch the Trolls" policy ?
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On December 11 2012 23:33 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:03 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2012 22:42 Bluelightz wrote:
Vivax, do you understand the difference between the both? dabears post is only a simple thing of pointing out/answering a question, however Adam has pushed thrawn heavily. See the difference?
Also, dabear if you could explain/join this talk it would be nice. In what universe did this happen? Woops. By that I mean he has more posts on thrawn then a simple point on someone
He has a ton of pointless inquiries that never became anything more than just him asking a bunch of stupid questions anyone with half a brain could've answered themselves.
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On December 11 2012 23:49 Djodref wrote:
And I was having a crazy idea that I would like to share with everybody...
Let's say that we cannot get a consensus on who to lynch among jay, adam and tunkeg. Would anyone mind to policy lynch grush following a "Lynch the Trolls" policy ?
No, we're not doing that, that's stupid.
Answer me something Djo - why is playing emotionally rather than rationally a scum trait?
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On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game)
generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful.
Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point)
Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either.
Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive.
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On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive.
Tunkeg's play has been more useless than complacent. What I was actually getting at with my question is that in general terms I view Adam's ability to contribute productively as significantly higher than Tunkeg's. Would you agree with this? And if so, do you see where I'm going? 
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On December 11 2012 23:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:49 Djodref wrote:
And I was having a crazy idea that I would like to share with everybody...
Let's say that we cannot get a consensus on who to lynch among jay, adam and tunkeg. Would anyone mind to policy lynch grush following a "Lynch the Trolls" policy ? No, we're not doing that, that's stupid. Answer me something Djo - why is playing emotionally rather than rationally a scum trait?
@ marv
I don't think it's a scum trait in general. It is here a scum trait when you consider his defense of WBG's case imo. I fucked up my conclusion here, sorry...
Rather than trying to show that WBG arguments were not good or not necessarily indicative of mafia play, he went into a whiny "you didn't even like my town play in these previous games" and then proceeds to discredit WBG.
Regarding grush, I've seen in the LVII that he is perfectly capable of gamethrowing so I don't think it's as stupid as it looks.
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While Tunkeg's halfassedness is detrimental to town, I start doubting if scum would do it in such an obvious way. In lack of better options, I still consider him to be a valid lynch candidate along with jay (Who I've read from bugs post has a tendency to get mislynched).
While I think debears case against Adam is bad, I don't like his entrance right now. It doesn't look like he's been properly scumhunting lately, just some more half assed questions and statements. Thanks for saying you lean town on me though.
ADAM, who are you gonna vote for if you had to?
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On December 12 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Tunkeg's play has been more useless than complacent. What I was actually getting at with my question is that in general terms I view Adam's ability to contribute productively as significantly higher than Tunkeg's. Would you agree with this? And if so, do you see where I'm going?
no, I don't agree with that.
Maybe that's because I don't find anything that either player has done to be particularly memorable from a town perspective. If you're right then yes, I'd see why Adam would make a better lynch.
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On December 12 2012 00:08 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Tunkeg's play has been more useless than complacent. What I was actually getting at with my question is that in general terms I view Adam's ability to contribute productively as significantly higher than Tunkeg's. Would you agree with this? And if so, do you see where I'm going? Take a gander at Whose Line where Adam caught two scum in the first cycle or so no, I don't agree with that. Maybe that's because I don't find anything that either player has done to be particularly memorable from a town perspective. If you're right then yes, I'd see why Adam would make a better lynch.
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On December 12 2012 00:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 00:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 12 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Tunkeg's play has been more useless than complacent. What I was actually getting at with my question is that in general terms I view Adam's ability to contribute productively as significantly higher than Tunkeg's. Would you agree with this? And if so, do you see where I'm going? no, I don't agree with that. Maybe that's because I don't find anything that either player has done to be particularly memorable from a town perspective. If you're right then yes, I'd see why Adam would make a better lynch.
Fucked that one up
Take a gander at Whose Line where Adam caught two scum in the first cycle or so
is what I meant to say
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ah fuck reading djo's past games makes me a bit less confident he is town. He's more than capable of playing a good scum game.
On December 12 2012 00:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2012 00:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 12 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Tunkeg's play has been more useless than complacent. What I was actually getting at with my question is that in general terms I view Adam's ability to contribute productively as significantly higher than Tunkeg's. Would you agree with this? And if so, do you see where I'm going? no, I don't agree with that. Maybe that's because I don't find anything that either player has done to be particularly memorable from a town perspective. If you're right then yes, I'd see why Adam would make a better lynch. Fucked that one up Take a gander at Whose Line where Adam caught two scum in the first cycle or so is what I meant to say
At the very least Adam has some sort of scumread.
Tunkeg doesn't even have that.
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Jumping on a random bandwagon doesn't really count. Do you honestly think that Adam had an idea, or a plan with his line of questioning thrawn early in the game? Do you believe Adam thinks what he did is productive?
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Note to everyone, Bluelightz is getting away with not reading the thread, he said something that was 100% completely incorrect, and just casually retracted it when I pointed it out.
We have enough on our plate for now, but it's something to keep in mind for later.
Also this VE guy is so silent it hurts.
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On December 12 2012 00:05 Vivax wrote:
While Tunkeg's halfassedness is detrimental to town, I start doubting if scum would do it in such an obvious way. In lack of better options, I still consider him to be a valid lynch candidate along with jay (Who I've read from bugs post has a tendency to get mislynched).
While I think debears case against Adam is bad, I don't like his entrance right now. It doesn't look like he's been properly scumhunting lately, just some more half assed questions and statements. Thanks for saying you lean town on me though.
ADAM, who are you gonna vote for if you had to?
Right now, I think Tunkeg has a solid chance of flipping scum. His reaction to WBG's case was overly defensive and he's contributed very little.
Ill take a closer look in the morning. Its 2am, I am going to bed.
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On December 11 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:@ Z-Boson1) First of all, you're wrong and you have failed to show what goal my actions would serve if I was scum. I'm going to help you to read my posts because you obviously didn't understand where I was going during the early game. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 09:37 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 09:22 debears wrote:
##Vote thrawn
I reject your reality and substitute my own Hello everybody ! @thrawn Did you seriously not read that millers are not self aware ? @debears Are you seriously willing to enforce a "Lynch all Liars" policy ? My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it. Debears, you are jumpy as both alignments, but I wouldn't expect your town self to post a video instead of engaging the discussion to get this game rolling. FoS debears 2)My problem with debears early vote was not that it was a vote following a LAL policy but rather the seriousness of this vote. I've assumed that it was a vote for sparking discussion because this was the early game and the atmosphere was quite carefree at this time. Nevertheless, thrawn calling out debears on his vote against him would have been a good starting point for a real discussion but debears chose to post a video instead of this. The problem was not the video itself, but more what he did not do instead. Anyway, this was an early FoS, and also an attempt for me to spark some discussion.And when debears implied that his vote was not serious (which I knew because he didn't use the voting thread to vote thrawn), I wondered why debears would throw early mindless votes like this, and I wanted him to explain this as well. All in all, I think that he didn't really care about what he was doing, and I don't read anything of it. I don't like how debears is focused on Adam so I didn't remove my Fos on him so far. 3)Regarding thrawn, I wanted him to explain his move. I didn't see this coming from a mafia player, but still, I wanted him to explain his motivations for it. And then thrawn goes like Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible and then Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it. which was pretty stubborn and stupid. I used a pressure vote (which didn't work) to get him talk, regardless of his alignment. And he deserved this pressure vote. When I unvoted him, I was expecting him to explain himself as putting himself in a position where he is going to get some pressure, especially mafia pressure. So, yeah, it matches its town mindset. And then, Clarity came in this thread with a case worth sheeping, so I sheeped. At the light of Clarity case, jay was more likely to be scum than debears. But now, as many people started to participate overnight, I'm going to update my reads.
1) Yes I have. I mentioned "scum getting lost in the sidetracks", because that's what's going on. You are trying to make it seem like you are contributing, when in fact, you are not. More on that later.
2) I don't buy this. You assumed that it was a vote intended to spark discussion, because it was in early game and had a "carefree" atmosphere, made by debears.
You then pressure FOS debears to make sure he sparks discussion as his townie self.
Then, he goes after adam, and you keep the FOS because you disagree with his case?? You can disagree with his case, just like you did somewhere, but that is only warranted of your suspicions is if you think it's fake comes from scum.
Yet what do you do?
You go on to drop debears entirely and go around asking questions about other aspects of the game without taking a proper stance yourself.
3) This still doesn't make sense. Why in gods name are you so interested in thrawn explaining himself, if you think he's town??. Why did you pressure vote him, whom you had a town read on, instead of going after debears, someone you've made quite clear you don't like the play this game?
Also, to those who aren't feeling Djo, notice his complete lack of scumhunting in this game. Here's a summary of his entire play this game:
- The whole debars/thrawn extravaganza I've already gone over which makes no sense.
- Probing WBG's weird logic on palmar.
- Giving munk-E a questionable town read
- Flock of non-conclusive questioning and a ton of fluff.
And that's IT. Zero stances, zero cases. It's scum feigning contribution.
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Well I got power-sniped on that last bullet.
Still something Djo is capable of as scum though.
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On December 11 2012 23:30 Vivax wrote:
Now I remember why I said that. Debears asked me why I defend you while you're voting for me. hahahaha. The transmission of mistakes.
Well, you made a case against me, but didn't vote for me. Sup Adam?
Yeah I was like wtf I thought he did.
That is odd
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On December 12 2012 00:29 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well I got power-sniped on that last bullet.
Still something Djo is capable of as scum though.
You can just admit that you were wrong about my alignment now
On a serious note, I'm going to address your latest post.
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