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On December 11 2012 22:31 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:29 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2012 22:21 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 22:20 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2012 22:06 marvellosity wrote:
Hi Palmar.
Taking Adam out, do you prefer Jay over Tunkeg or vice versa? Jay Is there something you've seen from Tunkeg that suggests to you he is town? Not really, but I think clarity's analysis of Jay's play so far is much more likely to hit home than bugs's meta read on Tunkeg. I agree that I wish Tunkeg would play differently, but I can't really lynch everyone who doesn't play like I want them to. cool, you want to lynch probably the easiest mislynch on TL mafia over someone who clearly does not care about scumhunting. Not to mention, the strongest part of my case isn't the meta, it's the fact that Tunkeg is completely indifferent to the events of the game.
Only when presented with these two options, remember Marv's question implied I could only pick one or the other. Don't try to twist my words into something they're not.
We agree that Adam is most likely scum, so let's do this? I mean marv thinks he's scum too, that's a lot of big names who think Adam is scum.
What are we waiting for?
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I'm reading better than you think . I still think your case is full of shit. I see a lot of word-twisting in it.
And I don't care if Adam is voting for me as long as I believe him to be town. What kind of bad question is that.
Why are you thinking from a scum point of view?
On December 11 2012 22:10 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:09 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2012 22:06 Bluelightz wrote:
Is voting necessary when one has suspicions on someone? No. It's up to them when they vote. By saying that you're actually defending Adam against dabears first accusations. Dunno if you even realize that. I'm defending dabears first accusation.
On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
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The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.
His reaction is feeling very forced
The first bolded part is what dabears himself does.
The second is word twisting of Adam saying: "If I wanted to call you scummy I would have" into "I don't think he's scummy."
And I don't see any scum motivation in hard questioning thrawn. He acted not according to his meta, and that's what made Adam so suspicious of him. How is that scummy???
Go read, Bluelightz mate. I hope you saw the part where Debears said Adam is suspicious for not voting now.
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On December 11 2012 22:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 22:29 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2012 22:21 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 22:20 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2012 22:06 marvellosity wrote:
Hi Palmar.
Taking Adam out, do you prefer Jay over Tunkeg or vice versa? Jay Is there something you've seen from Tunkeg that suggests to you he is town? Not really, but I think clarity's analysis of Jay's play so far is much more likely to hit home than bugs's meta read on Tunkeg. I agree that I wish Tunkeg would play differently, but I can't really lynch everyone who doesn't play like I want them to. cool, you want to lynch probably the easiest mislynch on TL mafia over someone who clearly does not care about scumhunting. Not to mention, the strongest part of my case isn't the meta, it's the fact that Tunkeg is completely indifferent to the events of the game. Only when presented with these two options, remember Marv's question implied I could only pick one or the other. Don't try to twist my words into something they're not. We agree that Adam is most likely scum, so let's do this? I mean marv thinks he's scum too, that's a lot of big names who think Adam is scum. What are we waiting for?
I'm not twisting shit. You said you like jay over tunkeg, which is indicative that you're not reading the thread. I just don't understand how you can find jay scummier than tunkeg. It's like we're not playing the same game.
Have you never played with jay before?! How do you not understand how easy of a mislynch he is?
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I'm going to go and reread Adam's posts, since Palmar's reads make me uncertain that he is town. If he's not town then it's certainly possible Adam is just off his game for whatever reason.
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I also don't get how he likes Jay over Tunkeg. But generally I like the pushes on both Adam (Palmar) and Tunkeg (bugs), which means something odd's going on
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Vivax, do you understand the difference between the both? dabears post is only a simple thing of pointing out/answering a question, however Adam has pushed thrawn heavily. See the difference?
Also, dabear if you could explain/join this talk it would be nice.
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On December 11 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
I also don't get how he likes Jay over Tunkeg. But generally I like the pushes on both Adam (Palmar) and Tunkeg (bugs), which means something odd's going on
I don't think we can necessarily credit Palmar with the push on Adam, given that everyone so far in the game has found him scummy, but I agree with you. I like both pushes but I disagree with Palmar's other reads, which almost certainly means something is off.
I'm curious, though. If you had to name 4 scum right now, who would you name?
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Would you rather lynch Tunkeg or Adam, marv?
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Bluelightz, did you realize how weird thrawn acted after that stunt? I'd rather find it suspicious if someone didn't hardquestion him. He only spoke of it as a joke much later.
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On December 11 2012 20:54 Palmar wrote:
I'll admit that I find it easier to roll with the crowd wanting to lynch adam (myself, debears, marv) than with the crowd wanting to lynch jay (djodref, bluelightz, VE etc). It's a ridiculously dangerous game trying to guess someone's alignment based on the actions of others (the people voting him), but I just like the Adam lynch a whole lot better.
I admit this has been a nagging doubt all game for me. The "wrong" people are on the wagon I started. Although I had the same feeling with Sandroba in Chrono and he flipped red just fine.
marv could you explain why jay is such an easy mislynch? Did you mean in the context of this game? Because the way you said it you made it sound like that's his meta.
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I would love it if we could have a more regular votecount update for people like me who are lazy, thanks!
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On December 11 2012 22:42 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
I also don't get how he likes Jay over Tunkeg. But generally I like the pushes on both Adam (Palmar) and Tunkeg (bugs), which means something odd's going on I don't think we can necessarily credit Palmar with the push on Adam, given that everyone so far in the game has found him scummy, but I agree with you. I like both pushes but I disagree with Palmar's other reads, which almost certainly means something is off. I'm curious, though. If you had to name 4 scum right now, who would you name?
4 is a pretty irritating number. Adam/Tunkeg/VE... Djodref?/BL?
VE precisely because he's null.
BL because ??? and I've seen Djo play an active scumgame (Looney lynching) so I don't grab the same towntells as you have from his play, plus I get the feeling the things he posts are a bit off timing-wise with the rest of the thread.
Z-Bo was almost on there, but I kinda like his Djo case and how he sounded in his posts after.
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On December 11 2012 22:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 20:54 Palmar wrote:
I'll admit that I find it easier to roll with the crowd wanting to lynch adam (myself, debears, marv) than with the crowd wanting to lynch jay (djodref, bluelightz, VE etc). It's a ridiculously dangerous game trying to guess someone's alignment based on the actions of others (the people voting him), but I just like the Adam lynch a whole lot better. I admit this has been a nagging doubt all game for me. The "wrong" people are on the wagon I started. Although I had the same feeling with Sandroba in Chrono and he flipped red just fine. marv could you explain why jay is such an easy mislynch? Did you mean in the context of this game? Because the way you said it you made it sound like that's his meta.
I presume you mean bugs, I never said jay was an easy mislynch
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Yes, I'm used to only have one person have an Archon picture. I really need to read your names.
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I think you have to PM the host for questions, clarity. Non-standard rules.
Marv, why do you have a townread on jay?
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On December 11 2012 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:34 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2012 22:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 22:29 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2012 22:21 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 22:20 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2012 22:06 marvellosity wrote:
Hi Palmar.
Taking Adam out, do you prefer Jay over Tunkeg or vice versa? Jay Is there something you've seen from Tunkeg that suggests to you he is town? Not really, but I think clarity's analysis of Jay's play so far is much more likely to hit home than bugs's meta read on Tunkeg. I agree that I wish Tunkeg would play differently, but I can't really lynch everyone who doesn't play like I want them to. cool, you want to lynch probably the easiest mislynch on TL mafia over someone who clearly does not care about scumhunting. Not to mention, the strongest part of my case isn't the meta, it's the fact that Tunkeg is completely indifferent to the events of the game. Only when presented with these two options, remember Marv's question implied I could only pick one or the other. Don't try to twist my words into something they're not. We agree that Adam is most likely scum, so let's do this? I mean marv thinks he's scum too, that's a lot of big names who think Adam is scum. What are we waiting for? I'm not twisting shit. You said you like jay over tunkeg, which is indicative that you're not reading the thread. I just don't understand how you can find jay scummier than tunkeg. It's like we're not playing the same game. Have you never played with jay before?! How do you not understand how easy of a mislynch he is?
That's a pretty harsh accusation when you have it on video that I read at least half of it very carefully.
I've played with Jay before, I remember defending him in some mini game or something. But it's completely irrelevant, remember that my theory is that he's actually not scum, that doesn't make the case against him irrelevant as my theory could be wrong.
Like you're harping on the point that in a vacuum given 2 players I'd choose one over the other as something relevant to the thread. I can also tell you that I'd lynch marv over debears, but who cares about that I'm not trying to lynch either of them, just like I'm not trying to lynch Jay.
It's interesting you're reading so much into my non-primary targets. I can also tell you that I would rather lynch you than Jay, just so we're clear.
But adam is the guy I want to lynch.
Why are you so obsessed with the order I'd lynch two grey area players?
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On December 11 2012 22:42 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
I also don't get how he likes Jay over Tunkeg. But generally I like the pushes on both Adam (Palmar) and Tunkeg (bugs), which means something odd's going on I don't think we can necessarily credit Palmar with the push on Adam, given that everyone so far in the game has found him scummy, but I agree with you. I like both pushes but I disagree with Palmar's other reads, which almost certainly means something is off. I'm curious, though. If you had to name 4 scum right now, who would you name?
That's quite an overstatement when talking about a guy somehow getting three votes on him.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 19:12 Palmar wrote:I don't understand what that "scumslip" is either. I think I explained in the video why I don't like Adam's first post: Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 09:56 Adam4167 wrote:
Thrawn,
I don't know you, can you link me some of your games as scum on here. Basically, it's a legit question, but it's very easy to just click on someone's profile, go to posts and find recent games. Maybe Adam's just being lazy, but this post reeks of him trying to convey to the thread that he's going to be actively looking at people. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. Again, I'm working on the assumption Adam isn't dumb. It's pretty clear what thrawn is doing, and trying to wonder about it is dumb and pointless. Adam is lingering way too much on a silly stunt pulled by a random person, and asking all the wrong questions. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo
The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.
His reaction is feeling very forced That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions. Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category. Again, he's coming on with this idea that thrawn's actions require extensive analysis, it's very clear (to me at least) what thrawn is doing, and either it means he's scum and fucked up, or he's town and has a terrible plan-idea-thing. I concluded the latter to be the case, but adam seems really confused by something so elementary. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 12:45 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 10 2012 12:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah, but there's a difference between the original intentions of what I did and what comes out of it no one knows your original intentions because you made a stupid play and then refused to explain it (I'm going to presume out of embarrassment, since anything else is just pathetic) Adam, thoughts on debears? He announced in thread to be voting for Thrawn, but the vote never made it into the voting thread, then he builds a case on me around not voting on someone that I had said I wasn't sure of the alignment of. Ill be watching him closely today. Not putting shit in the voting thread is not scummy at all, and hardly worth talking about. I don't know why Adam keeps obsessing about irrelevant things this game. Also "I'll be watching him closely today." made me laugh. It's just how he's saying it that gets my lynchfinger all twitchy. --- In addition to this Adam calls debears out for not voting him, which is yet another thing I find fairly irrelevant, the action of voting adds or relieves no pressure at all in this game, it's the mind behind it that does. Everything Adam has done and said this game feels careful, calculated and often irrelevant and inconclusive. He should be the lynch for today.
I've already defended mostly this same case from dabears, so I'm not going to go over it all again.
How is playing carefully and calculated alignment indicative at all? You may have found my line of questioning irrelevant, but I didn't, hence why I did it.
Vivax, can you expand on your thoughts on VE and Thrawn and why did you drop pursuit of them so suddenly?
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On December 11 2012 22:55 Vivax wrote:
I think you have to PM the host for questions, clarity. Non-standard rules.
Marv, why do you have a townread on jay?
I don't particularly have a townread, I just don't have a scumread. I don't particularly see why what he's done so far can't have come from either alignment.
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On December 11 2012 22:58 Adam4167 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 19:12 Palmar wrote:I don't understand what that "scumslip" is either. I think I explained in the video why I don't like Adam's first post: Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 09:56 Adam4167 wrote:
Thrawn,
I don't know you, can you link me some of your games as scum on here. Basically, it's a legit question, but it's very easy to just click on someone's profile, go to posts and find recent games. Maybe Adam's just being lazy, but this post reeks of him trying to convey to the thread that he's going to be actively looking at people. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. Again, I'm working on the assumption Adam isn't dumb. It's pretty clear what thrawn is doing, and trying to wonder about it is dumb and pointless. Adam is lingering way too much on a silly stunt pulled by a random person, and asking all the wrong questions. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo
The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.
His reaction is feeling very forced That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions. Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category. Again, he's coming on with this idea that thrawn's actions require extensive analysis, it's very clear (to me at least) what thrawn is doing, and either it means he's scum and fucked up, or he's town and has a terrible plan-idea-thing. I concluded the latter to be the case, but adam seems really confused by something so elementary. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 12:45 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 10 2012 12:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah, but there's a difference between the original intentions of what I did and what comes out of it no one knows your original intentions because you made a stupid play and then refused to explain it (I'm going to presume out of embarrassment, since anything else is just pathetic) Adam, thoughts on debears? He announced in thread to be voting for Thrawn, but the vote never made it into the voting thread, then he builds a case on me around not voting on someone that I had said I wasn't sure of the alignment of. Ill be watching him closely today. Not putting shit in the voting thread is not scummy at all, and hardly worth talking about. I don't know why Adam keeps obsessing about irrelevant things this game. Also "I'll be watching him closely today." made me laugh. It's just how he's saying it that gets my lynchfinger all twitchy. --- In addition to this Adam calls debears out for not voting him, which is yet another thing I find fairly irrelevant, the action of voting adds or relieves no pressure at all in this game, it's the mind behind it that does. Everything Adam has done and said this game feels careful, calculated and often irrelevant and inconclusive. He should be the lynch for today. I've already defended mostly this same case from dabears, so I'm not going to go over it all again. How is playing carefully and calculated alignment indicative at all? You may have found my line of questioning irrelevant, but I didn't, hence why I did it. Vivax, can you expand on your thoughts on VE and Thrawn and why did you drop pursuit of them so suddenly?
What did you hope to gain? Or, what did you gain and how? What would have been the sequence of events/responses that would have led you to a scumread on thrawn?
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