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On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
*snip*
I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?
@ Tunkeg
You can find all my previous games on these forums in my profile.
I don't like the way you are saying I'm fluffy and scummy, without really backing it up with a case or at least some quotes. You are just discrediting me for free here.
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Yo Djo
What you think of the Adam stuff goin around?
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No good is going to come of getting into a shit-fight with dabears, so I wont.
My initial read towards him was "leaning scum" when I questioned his 'case/not-case' that he made on me, but that was a long time ago. Since then he's put a lot of effort into his focus on me and while I know this is misguided, I also feel that it is coming from an honest place, hence why I am not screaming that he is intentionally taking all of my posts out of context, because I do not believe it to be the case.
##Unvote
The person I am interested in right now is Vivax.
On December 11 2012 02:59 Vivax wrote:
That VE defends thrawn with another argument than thrawn himself used.
What motivations would he have to defend him if he doesn't even grasp thrawns own point of view? He might aswell have not read his posts, not showing any interest in scumhunting with that trail available.
I might also remind you that VE has been present since 9:44, but only posts as answer to jay at around 10:23. He's shown lack of interest in the matter from start.
My conclusion?Maybe scummy, maybe sloppy.
You want me to go further than this?We've got enough time to vote. If I had to do it now it would be thrawn.
Fakeclaiming as joke is a pretty shitty move.
This post here, you say that VE shows no interest in scumhunting, is actively lurking the thread and yet conclude "maybe scum, maybe sloppy". This is very wishy-washy and ultimately amounts to nothing. What was the point of pointing this out if you were not going to draw any conclusions from it either way? You accuse VE of scummy actions yet in the same post say that you would vote thrawn over it for his 'joke' claim. To me, this looks like acting like you're trying to scum hunt without actually doing anything.
Then not long after you produce:
On December 11 2012 03:42 Vivax wrote:
After thinking about thrawns actions more thoroughly, there's another aspect that I think noone mentioned so far:
If he was a scum fakeclaiming, believing that millers are self-aware, he would take the risk of facing a counterclaim.
As others mentioned, he's drawn attention with that. But identifying scum with stereotypes isn't exactly the way. Why wouldn't scum be able to draw attention and get away with it?
He would have made following mistakes:
1. Overlooked the rule about self-awareness. Obvious.
2. Forgotten to consider another miller, under the premise that he really made mistake 1.
I don't believe it was a joke though, rather some sort of strategy. Maybe he would have brought these points up by himself at some point, betting on town not believing that he would do such mistakes.
This post looks to be saying that thrawn has some agenda or strategy by fakeclaiming miller and that you no longer believe it was a joke. Ok, if he's playing with some form of strategy, do you believe it to be a scum one, you do not comment on his alignment either way with this post. It is mostly just a rehashing of what Clarity posted.
On December 11 2012 05:38 Vivax wrote:So I've been scratching my balls while reading the thread for the last 20 minutes, and when I saw jaybrundages posts, they started to hurt. ##Vote jaybrundageShow nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. So you are okay with this post? Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible To me it looks like you didn't study the matter enough. This explanation sucks hard. He's basically leaving the defense of himself to everybody else. He never said explicitly that he joked, he only said explicitly that he had intentions, fuck knows which. That being said, I suggest you go back and read the stuff before you make the same mistake I made with clarity.
Then a vote on Jaybrundage comes seemingly out of nowhere once interest in him picks up in the thread. What happened to Thrawn? or VE? The reasoning for this vote does not appear until after someone presses you for it and the reasoning you provide is just a summary of his actions, and it does not illustrate why Jaybrundage is scum. Furthermore, for someone that said here that you just couldnt let thrawns claim go, you dropped it exceedingly quickly to pursue Jaybrundage. I find your lack of follow-up on VE or Thrawn shows you had no intent on trying to find out their alignment.
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On December 11 2012 12:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 12:34 Clarity_nl wrote:Eh, sure it's a bit milder than his other posts, but note how his aggression is always reactionary to aggression...... I dunno, I just don't see how it's a scum thing. Saying he forgot who he was pressuring is like saying BH forgot who his mason partner was, so it was just him being... nicer than his other posts? Adam might be scum but I don't see how that "scumslip" suddenly condemns him, and like Thrawn am rather confused you "dropped" (yes I realize you said you didn't drop it) your vote on Tunkeg. On December 11 2012 12:32 debears wrote:
Clarity there are two problematic parts with the adam post
1) he uses the word "misunderstand", which implies that he thinks I am town. Yet, he has his vote on me and has called me scummy
2) He goes out of his way to explain his thrawn thing with someone who he thinks is scummy and he has a vote on
That's scummy. No questions asked What are you saying, that scum are incapable of misunderstanding anything? so i'm still awake. how are the two remotely similar? stop talking nonsense. BH was just a total moron for a while. Would you suggest that's what's going on here??
Yes I understand, I'm just pointing out odds are he did not forget who his vote was on, that doesn't somehow absolve him.
I still don't see it/agree with the fact that it's a "scumslip. You guys are saying that a town Adam would say debears is twisting his words and lying, but again why is that the only thing he would say? Why can't a town Adam think a scum debears is misunderstanding him and just clarify, without him going "OMFG BTW UR SCUM!!!!"
Scum don't push scum agendas with every post, and town don't push their lynch with every post.....
Anyway I guess I'll just let Adam speak for himself but don't expect an Adam vote from me unless there's an actual case that goes beyond this one point.
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debears could you respond to the question I asked you at the bottom of page 22? It's in the last post on the page sorta near the bottom of my post.
Djo: bleh I've probably waited too long to ask this, but I'd like you to go back to this post. When did you write it in relation to the post you made right before it? Was it one right after the other, did you make them simultaneously, did you write the 2nd one first but post the 1st one 1st, etc. please be as specific as possible
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On December 11 2012 12:50 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 12:43 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 12:34 Clarity_nl wrote:Eh, sure it's a bit milder than his other posts, but note how his aggression is always reactionary to aggression...... I dunno, I just don't see how it's a scum thing. Saying he forgot who he was pressuring is like saying BH forgot who his mason partner was, so it was just him being... nicer than his other posts? Adam might be scum but I don't see how that "scumslip" suddenly condemns him, and like Thrawn am rather confused you "dropped" (yes I realize you said you didn't drop it) your vote on Tunkeg. On December 11 2012 12:32 debears wrote:
Clarity there are two problematic parts with the adam post
1) he uses the word "misunderstand", which implies that he thinks I am town. Yet, he has his vote on me and has called me scummy
2) He goes out of his way to explain his thrawn thing with someone who he thinks is scummy and he has a vote on
That's scummy. No questions asked What are you saying, that scum are incapable of misunderstanding anything? so i'm still awake. how are the two remotely similar? stop talking nonsense. BH was just a total moron for a while. Would you suggest that's what's going on here?? Yes I understand, I'm just pointing out odds are he did not forget who his vote was on, that doesn't somehow absolve him. I still don't see it/agree with the fact that it's a "scumslip. You guys are saying that a town Adam would say debears is twisting his words and lying, but again why is that the only thing he would say? Why can't a town Adam think a scum debears is misunderstanding him and just clarify, without him going "OMFG BTW UR SCUM!!!!" Scum don't push scum agendas with every post, and town don't push their lynch with every post..... Anyway I guess I'll just let Adam speak for himself but don't expect an Adam vote from me unless there's an actual case that goes beyond this one point.
That's really convenient clarity, because as far as I could tell he had only talked about me and thrawn. And he only called me scum.
He must have a really bad memory.
Anyways I have to read his case on Vivax
@everyone
didn't someone else make a case on vivax? If so can you tell me what page it is on?
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@Thrawn
when 3 people (you, palmar, and clarity) called me an idiot :D
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oh wait clarity i think i misread your post lol
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On December 11 2012 12:56 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 12:50 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 11 2012 12:43 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 12:34 Clarity_nl wrote:Eh, sure it's a bit milder than his other posts, but note how his aggression is always reactionary to aggression...... I dunno, I just don't see how it's a scum thing. Saying he forgot who he was pressuring is like saying BH forgot who his mason partner was, so it was just him being... nicer than his other posts? Adam might be scum but I don't see how that "scumslip" suddenly condemns him, and like Thrawn am rather confused you "dropped" (yes I realize you said you didn't drop it) your vote on Tunkeg. On December 11 2012 12:32 debears wrote:
Clarity there are two problematic parts with the adam post
1) he uses the word "misunderstand", which implies that he thinks I am town. Yet, he has his vote on me and has called me scummy
2) He goes out of his way to explain his thrawn thing with someone who he thinks is scummy and he has a vote on
That's scummy. No questions asked What are you saying, that scum are incapable of misunderstanding anything? so i'm still awake. how are the two remotely similar? stop talking nonsense. BH was just a total moron for a while. Would you suggest that's what's going on here?? Yes I understand, I'm just pointing out odds are he did not forget who his vote was on, that doesn't somehow absolve him. I still don't see it/agree with the fact that it's a "scumslip. You guys are saying that a town Adam would say debears is twisting his words and lying, but again why is that the only thing he would say? Why can't a town Adam think a scum debears is misunderstanding him and just clarify, without him going "OMFG BTW UR SCUM!!!!" Scum don't push scum agendas with every post, and town don't push their lynch with every post..... Anyway I guess I'll just let Adam speak for himself but don't expect an Adam vote from me unless there's an actual case that goes beyond this one point. That's really convenient clarity, because as far as I could tell he had only talked about me and thrawn. And he only called me scum. He must have a really bad memory. Anyways I have to read his case on Vivax @everyonedidn't someone else make a case on vivax? If so can you tell me what page it is on?
Reading comprehension, acquire some.
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I've watched Palmar's video and I've changed my mind a little bit about your interactions with Adam. As a result, I would lean town on you and slightly scum on Adam but I'm not yet sold on him being scum.
The latest "scumslip" is not a scumslip in my opinion because it would have been one if he was totally sure that you were scum, which doesn't look to be the case.
The fact that he dropped you is reasonable but it's not very indicative of his alignment because it was the best thing to do as scum and as town. I'm waiting to see where he is going to go with Vivax but I think that jay is more likely to be scum than him at this point.
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On December 11 2012 12:54 thrawn2112 wrote:debears could you respond to the question I asked you at the bottom of page 22? It's in the last post on the page sorta near the bottom of my post. Djo: bleh I've probably waited too long to ask this, but I'd like you to go back to this post. When did you write it in relation to the post you made right before it? Was it one right after the other, did you make them simultaneously, did you write the 2nd one first but post the 1st one 1st, etc. please be as specific as possible
@ thrawn
The two posts you are talking about were independent if you are talking about these.
On December 10 2012 15:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 14:52 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.
I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out.
@ jay
It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ?
As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big.
##Vote jay
I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken. For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam.
On December 10 2012 15:34 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 14:34 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 14:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
So someone makes a big case on you and you react by saying "glad someone is reading my posts"?
It's not that you don't put your vote where your mouth is, it's the REASON you don't vote. You shouldn't care what's easy and what's not, all you need to care about is who is scum, and try to get your strongest scumread lynched.
I would love it if you linked some games in where you claimed this has happened to you. I would also love it if you walked us through a scum thrawn's reasoning for doing what he did. Lol is my reaction not what you expected  Wait a second, the reason i didn't vote is because i don't feel i have too. A vote doesn't mean anything till the end of the cycle. I have been going after thrawn and trying to get him to respond to me. And get some kind of explanation from him. However he has yet to respond to me. THRAWN STOP GAWD DAMN IGNORING ME. And yes i do care if the lynch seems to easy. Because then from my experience, its likely a bus or a townie were killing. I'll try to find the games if i can. Its been almost a year tho. And i already gave you a scum reasoning to do what he did. On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.
Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.
There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.
As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.
Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will. alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective. At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler +wow big surprise there right? Then people started taking it more seriously than I thought they would so I decided to be dickish about it in order to ignite further discussion. I actually don't mind being a potential mislynch, I think I'm better at discerning scum when they are trying to lynch me. I don't mind a bit of pressure during early D1 if it allows me to make better reads. Also.... anything is better than talking about lurker policy ffs @ thrawnIn fact, this is exactly the explanation I was waiting for you. I remembered this post from our previous Looney game when you were going to be mislynched at MYLO. Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cuz I'm not scum u silly. Don't worry I love being mislynched. It's the part of the game where in the past ive figured out who is scum. So, did you manage to get any clue of who could be scum after analysing the way they treated your fakeclaim ?
Regarding the post you linked, it was the conclusion I came to when I was asking myself why you were being stubborn and not wanting to explain your motivations for your fakeclaim. After my pressure vote on you, I was wondering why a town thrawn would put himself in such a situation and I remembered this post you made about how you liked to be pushed as a mislynched.
So, I was ready to post it before your explanation because it was what I was expecting from you. But it was not prepared, just I knew where to find this stuff.
It is a strange question. Could I ask you what you are going to do with this info ?
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kitaman27
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The most entertaining 2 hour analysis of day one nonsense that I've ever seen!
I also liked the part where you called VE bad.
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Just trying to get a sense of what your possible town or scum thoughts could have been during that time.... it struck me as a little odd that you had my looney mafia post ready to go but I didn't now what to make of it then and I still don't.
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@ thrawn
Here is my train of thoughts. I was just trying to figure you out 
+ Show Spoiler [Why so stubborn?] +On December 10 2012 10:35 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it. I don't like it. I don't understand why you are being so stubborn... Let's see if it's really all you have to say about it. ##Vote thrawn
+ Show Spoiler [expectations] +On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? Ikr Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video? Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ? What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ? To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice sonAnd it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware. So from town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1. Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom I'm the first to vote in the voting thread So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay... I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not. At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ?
+ Show Spoiler [matching expectations] +On December 10 2012 15:34 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 14:34 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 14:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
So someone makes a big case on you and you react by saying "glad someone is reading my posts"?
It's not that you don't put your vote where your mouth is, it's the REASON you don't vote. You shouldn't care what's easy and what's not, all you need to care about is who is scum, and try to get your strongest scumread lynched.
I would love it if you linked some games in where you claimed this has happened to you. I would also love it if you walked us through a scum thrawn's reasoning for doing what he did. Lol is my reaction not what you expected Wait a second, the reason i didn't vote is because i don't feel i have too. A vote doesn't mean anything till the end of the cycle. I have been going after thrawn and trying to get him to respond to me. And get some kind of explanation from him. However he has yet to respond to me. THRAWN STOP GAWD DAMN IGNORING ME. And yes i do care if the lynch seems to easy. Because then from my experience, its likely a bus or a townie were killing. I'll try to find the games if i can. Its been almost a year tho. And i already gave you a scum reasoning to do what he did. On December 10 2012 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys just finished work ten hour shift zzzz.
Reading up so far. It appears. That thrawn either made a pretty big scum slip. Or maybe he just made a big mistake as town.
There wasn't any point to claiming miller. As if anyone read the OP (as they should it) they would know millers arent self aware.
So first your lying. I only seeing this make sense as scum. If you didnt know that miller was self aware. Then your thought process is that you self claim miller. A you can waste a DT check. Or make DT's ineffective against you.
As town i see no reason to lie about your role. Please give your reasoning. Because as far it doesn't make any sense.
Also I thought the point about debears. Posting a video to not enage in conversation was interesting. Not a scum tell or anything. But a video wont help us find scum some good solid conversation will. alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective. At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler +wow big surprise there right? Then people started taking it more seriously than I thought they would so I decided to be dickish about it in order to ignite further discussion. I actually don't mind being a potential mislynch, I think I'm better at discerning scum when they are trying to lynch me. I don't mind a bit of pressure during early D1 if it allows me to make better reads. Also.... anything is better than talking about lurker policy ffs @ thrawnIn fact, this is exactly the explanation I was waiting for you. I remembered this post from our previous Looney game when you were going to be mislynched at MYLO. Show nested quote +On October 20 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cuz I'm not scum u silly. Don't worry I love being mislynched. It's the part of the game where in the past ive figured out who is scum. So, did you manage to get any clue of who could be scum after analysing the way they treated your fakeclaim ?
So, yeah, I have you on my town list after all this and also your stupid joke fakeclaiming miller.
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EBWOP: I was starting to think at you saying "I liked to be myslinched somewhere in some game" when I made my "expectations" post. I remembered it was from the Looney Game slightly after and I looked back for it in your filter. So I was ready for the "matching expectations" post
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Ok, caught up on the thread. Today I had a final and tomorrow I have 2, so I'm not going to be around very much. I'll try to consolidate my thoughts briefly but here's the basic summary of my initial thoughts:
I'm almost completely certain that all of the scum are being fairly passive. Adam, Tunkeg, Vivax, Bluelightz are all good leads IMO. I would have said Zbo earlier, but I have my doubts now given how he posted later (though he didn't improve by much, it was enough).
I'm gonna get on my computer in a minute so that I can actually quote stuff I found noteworthy.
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On December 11 2012 01:44 Munk-E wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:10 Djodref wrote:
@ Munk-E
Could you confirm me that it's only your second game on these forums ?
You get yourself lynched D1 or D2 for being inactive in a newbie lately, am I right ?
Weird scum or weird town for WBG ?
By the way, the way he phrased it didn't exactly mean he was 80% sure he was mafia. It was a preliminary thing, so I understood it as valuable only for this early game. This is actually my 4th or fifth game. I can't find the others in my post history, because i guess TL doesn't keep a post history that's that old. Yes, day 1 lynch last time, I'm gonna try to be more active so people don't waste their lynch again for no reason other than i didn't say enough.*snip* I see his logic now, but it is flawed. I highly doubt that all the scum were lurkers.
@ Munk-E
Are you sure you are going to be more active to not get lynched. As far as I know, you only have said that WBG should be town.
Could you expand on why you highly doubt that all the scum were lurkers ?
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