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yamato77
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
I have observed variety of motivations since i have been here. If you have knowledge that i dont you may perceive other reasons such as past meta to explain those actions. If so then my best estimations of motivation, are not the be all and end all, they are simply what i felt was going on in this game from my perspective. I have a clear strong read of intent, and then progressively worse ones. They will be summarised here then recounted with as much detail as i have time on the clock. It is important to note that as I now believe there is a shared basis of common knowledge some DetailS will be omitted as it is assumed we all know what they are. That represents a risk for me, as I am very knew to seeing them and may have missed some. Well Ok I certainly missed some in this game. My first strongest feeling, is that Rad has been interfering with my ability to hunt for scum by pressing me on matters, in an emotive way, that makes it harder for me to get feel read on what else is happening. One of the ways town recognises scum is that they do things that interfere with you. Unfortunately another actual town who does not know if you are town or scum must do that a bit too. That happened most clearly when I was pressed on what i had said prior to the game. and with various emotional pushes mad eon me that I think I have described before. I will do as much again now as I can. My second strongest feeling is actually for Yamato, which came back as a surprise to me, with the timing of one event which then made me reconsider things. It is for me often the timing of things that matters the most. This happened when I was questioning Oakmaster, I was doing it because it was important to me to know what level of skill there was behind what was being displayed. I took a statement he had made which he claimed he dis not understand and proceeded to very slowly show him what it meant. If I was in fact dealing with a person, playing in the open at the limit of their capacity at some point they would have learned something. Faking I do understand this and don't that is one thing faking the active process of learning is another. I am convinced Oak master understood what i said originally perfectly well. That was what I gained form that. As I was clearly proceeding with some intent, only one person decided no that would not do, and that was Yamato. My third strongest read is actually on Kick. This one is weird. When reading previous game s I was sure i would find, kick annoying to play with, a viable strategy but annoying. Instead found him helpful, and I am sorry kick, but as this is feel read Kick felt like yappy little dog, that hunts things out of the bushes. That is what qualifies this as my third read. Was that motivated by an actual desire to be helpful or just to buddy up? Again I don't have the meta to know. So you must combine my feel read with what you know. Thus if I could as this time I would V o t e Rad F O S Yamato f o s Kick | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
perhaps it was a legitimate question for out there. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17123728 It is also possible it is legitimate pressure here after all town has to find out if I am town somehow http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17160556 Oh and BTW who should turn up again and interfer with either my or Rads intent. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17167882 Yam http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17168212 Eventually at some point Rad does not want to deal with it anymore. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17169272 I would sugegst that indicates to me, he does not wish to argue this point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17160556 If you know why he was pressing me there, and what he found out that may explain it. For me I dont know, thus for me it reads strong scum intent, either that or a larger style of bird dog. Again that will be for you to judge. If you are in the fullness of time considering these you should read the thread in those regions for yourself. That is probably even better than me pulling out all the details, as if you let me paint all of the picture perhaps you would catch any confirmation bias i have. It occurs to me I did not understand the intent of this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17169643 and this highly uncharcteristic this one. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17170088 If you do, then while I may have perceived Rads role scum interfering it may have been he was a townie investigating an unknown. This http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17170088 did not just pop into existence There must be some reason that it was dropped at that time at the time that I happened I did not reach these conclusions as indicated I don't do that kind of thinking in real time. I have however reached the conclusion i should address Rads post more accurately as an immediate priority | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
I know it is not to bottom post or top post o something here but I am going to go through what I said and tear its intent down into bits. If Rad is now quite town, that makes his question real. It is a question of my intent. This to me ["Who was worse, blue oats trying to save himself last game, or you literally contributing nothing to this game but confusion."] means that this From last NMM obs: is now part of this game. It was my first ever post here. I had never made case before I was actually surprised it came together like. It starts "glhf" becuase it is a game that we play here it is not for keeps. "Its hammer time." because i believed the argument to be solid. "If this post is not what I ought put here, I am good with editing it away." States I am not sure how to deal with this but if I did it wrong, I am happy with how it gets fixed. "If OakMaster turns up would someone kindly direct him to this question, that might be best thrashed out here not in Day 1 of XXXII noob game (As that might terrify the natives)" What happens in the game ought stay in the game and it did. As this is my first ever game I have brought nothing out of any previous game into this one. "Oakmaster I have never played game of mafia in my life..... So you might tend to discount what I say. However if an utter wet noob can say this too you and be right... perhaps there is a real problem. Try getting some of obs to laugh at how silly these points are?" This block of text indicates it is not my position. "I might very well play in the next noob game depending when it starts. I do however want it to be a fun experience for both of us. I had however been tossing up the idea just not playing until you stop playing in the noobs. I have been having trouble working out what I am going to do so that if you and I play in a game I don't get mislynched D2." This might look like a scum slip, but as i have not played before, it is what it says it it is a concern about what might happen in the future, that is similar to what happened in the past. I could go on like that, through the whole thing i dont think thats profitable use of time. " glhf I do however want it to be a fun experience for both of us. As a noob seeking to learn. " "BTW: This is how you execute someone. Might it hurt his feelings? " There were two things to say with those two sentences I am not sure Iike how they might be misinterpretted. In particular I have since learned it is best to identify the problem ,then use the majority judgment of your team mates to work it out. As an iterated prisoners dilemma my first play was too big. Do note i claimed i had never considered an iterated prisoners dilemma with progressively increasing stakes before. As I had never used such a thing in a time constrained framework. It ended with "glhf." While i made mistakes, I believe especially after my questioning of him that was interfered with by yam that oats is playing this game just fine. My original read on Oats was there was more than met the eye to his play, it was betrayed by the bravado used, when challenging someone(forget who kicks?) to explain why he had made his first feel based vote and did not need to justify it. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Thus i am at v o t e RAD F O S Yam f o s Kick | ||
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AxleGreaser
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ghost_403
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ghost_403
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End of Night 2 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fY9zLl.jpg) Figure 5. On the plus side, this was a great way to lose weight. "Gentlemen, we need to find out who's responsible for this, and put an end to it." Arnarnion growled. Six members of the town filled the small, smoke filled room. Normally, there were nine of them here. Oatsmaster and Mr. Cheesecake had both died since their last meeting. Truly, this was a terrifying time for the town. As the six remaining members of the city council, they felt obligated to put an end to the killing spree beginning in their quaint, little town. Sylencia was terrified. "Three members of our council are already dead. Do you think they're really going to try and kill all of us?" "There's no way. This has got to be it. It's probably just someone mad about that new development we added on a few weeks ago. This is the end." Rad was never worried about anything. yamato77 was the next to speak. "There's no way someone killed off three people in our town just over some stupid development. Use your head, Rad." "Many people are upset. Not about the development. About the murders. Very emotional. Where is ghost_403? Why isn't the mayor here?" "AxleGreaser has a point. This isn't about some stupid development. This is something else. Whoever is responsible is upset about something." jidolboy chimed in. "And why do you think they killed Kickstart of all people?" Kickstart, the vanilla townie was found at the bottom of a vat of acid! Day 3 has begun! You have 48 hours to decide who among you is guilty. Note that there are no clues this game. Any names used above are purely for flavor. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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DarthPunk
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Promethelax
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yamato77
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Chromatically
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Hapahauli
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thrawn2112
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alan133
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yamato77
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Because scummy actions day 1 and day 2 at lynch. 2 confirmed town both suspicious of you before their NK. Do something that makes me think you're not scum. | ||
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Djodref
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
Rad: Can't say Rad is perfectly innocent but somewhat more townish now. If Rad was a scum, would he kill a person that was accusing him? I'm not sure, I think that may be too obvious. He could have killed others, like Yamato and stay alive because it seems our townies can't agree on anything much Yamato: Not sure right now. I'll have to see. Kinda leaning on Town but that can change Arn: Somewhat suspicious. Wanting to get rid of Kick in D1 and then Yamato in D2. Syl: Don't think he's a scum since he's accusing me and Arn. I don't see the benefit of scum taking out lurkers when there were active targets available Axle: ....... Hard to say | ||
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yamato77
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