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Alright.
Guys, this is a good thing. I would have flipped town tonight, and you would not have known where to go with that because kick pushed me so hard (and I'm pretty sure kick is town). Instead, a town is saved, and we have more time to discuss.
I do not feel like today was wasted, as kick suggested would be the case with a no lynch. Instead, what happened?
1. jidolboy has started to to open up and talk. If he's newbie town, maybe he's breaking out of his shell now. He has said that he's made mistakes and intends to fix them, so we get to see where he goes with that.
2. Arn has made a statement that his real life is preventing him from posting more. Well, we've gained more time for him to post while keeping the town count high enough that we don't have to hastily make any coin flip decisions when determining his alignment.
3. Axle stopped spamming up the thread and regardless of who his vote started and ended on, he's at least starting to think about things other than voting himself.
I thank those of you who did not vote for me. This gives me a unique perspective in that I know I'm town, and I know I would have been an easy lynch due to the oats ordeal, but my lynch didn't go through. I need to think about that and see if I can figure anything out. My first thought is that scum should have been on me no matter what, but I need to see if maybe it would have been smarter to keep off me.
I'm heading out for the night but will be back tomorrow to discuss.
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Rad is right, however I still think we could have had all that happen from the start and lynch a scum today. But anyways, I would like to hear who everyone thinks is most suspicious during day2 events. My suspicion is on Arn now and will provide a case later on, probably sometimes tomorrow though before night actions are enacted.
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On December 09 2012 10:18 yamato77 wrote:
Syl and Arn need to explain why they rejected the idea of consolidating. Axle, too, needs to explain why he didnt vote for the Rad lynch.
Just woke up, got to go in about 10 minutes, so I'll just quickly say:
I already mentioned how Rad is not scum (in my eyes). I am not going to vote for someone who I can see as town, just because others are voting for them.
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I'll tell you why i didn't vote to consolidate. If I voted Rad and he turned out not to be scum, what would happen next? Someone would be NK'd and then I would be placed under suspicion like the last time I voted to consolidate, you guys would lynch me next and boom, 4 dead town in a row for one scum.
If you guys were wrong it would be the end of town and I wasn't willing to risk that, especially since the only people on the vote where the sheepiest player we have, a guy I don't trust, and someone who seems to think that he has solved game because he led a lynch on scum day one. I wasn't buying it.
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i'm pretty sure I'm ready to lynch you for not consolidating so your plan backfired.
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and yes, for the record, I have no problem sheeping kick at all.
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Not really, I figured that I was going to get lynched next cycle anyways, but based on the situation that i was put in and how much i trusted the voters on Rad, I thought I'd pick the lesser of two evils, and now I can see that those voters really didn't seem that concerned about Rad anyway, given how quickly they have moved their suspicions onto me. So i have a question, what convinces you that i'm more likely to be scum than Rad?
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On December 09 2012 12:07 yamato77 wrote:
and yes, for the record, I have no problem sheeping kick at all.
So you're fine with letting someone else make decisions for you so that you can sound like your on board with town without actually risking having to put your own ideas forward. You sound like a productive member of the team, that you do.
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I am aware that with an extra hour I could have used that Lynch wisely.
I will be working out some stuff.
if you think I _really_ do need to know things you can say them
but in general in the night phase as far as I know it is time to mmmm.
I will be back in few hours. And say if I have got there yet.
Ta guys it was epic, lets hope it still will still also be glorious.
At least my heads in the game now. :|
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You sure are giving yamato a lot of shit for someone who has lurked the majority of the game Arn. What is suspicious is how you come in and just say you don't agree with the majority of town without giving any reasons and you throw your vote on someone without much reasoning either. To me the first thing that jumps to mind is you are scum, you know the person we are all voting is going to flip town, and you decide to just put your vote elsewhere to try and look like you had no part in lynching the towny so you could later be like "well look at me I had no part in lynching that guy".
How come, if you truly thought Rad was town, you did not try to convince the rest of us. If you are town and you think he is truly town it is your duty to try and persuade us so we don't mys lynch. Or are you scum, know he is town, and just tried to distance yourself from it?
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Not exactly an scum read, but what I'm thinking of Ar right now. Hopefully, I did this right :p
I'll tell you why i didn't vote to consolidate. If I voted Rad and he turned out not to be scum, what would happen next? Someone would be NK'd and then I would be placed under suspicion like the last time I voted to consolidate, you guys would lynch me next and boom, 4 dead town in a row for one scum.
If you guys were wrong it would be the end of town and I wasn't willing to risk that, especially since the only people on the vote where the sheepiest player we have, a guy I don't trust, and someone who seems to think that he has solved game because he led a lynch on scum day one. I wasn't buying it.
Funny. In D1, he said this
How's is voting for my top scum read not giving a fuck about who is lynched? I give a fuck, I just I'm not sure you have the right guy and I'm pretty sure that Sylencia has exhibited some scummy behavior. That being said, since you guys seem set on lynching Oats above anyone else and I don't like the idea of a no lynch, I will ##Unvote and ##Vote: Oatsmaster, since I don't have a strong enough town read on him to adamantly say don't lynch him. I just hope this is worth it. I still think there should be more attention on the sheeping lurkers, though.
Would you prefer that we had a no lynch? Does that honestly seem like a better option to you? Why?
If he wanted no lynch why didn't he say this in D1 but now? (I modified some words to suit D1)
If I voted RadOats and he turned out not to be scum, what would happen next? Someone would be NK'd and then I would be placed under suspicion like the last time I voted to consolidate for voting for Oatmaster, then you guys would lynch me next and boom, 4 dead town in a row for one scum.
If you guys were wrong it would be the end of town and I wasn't willing to risk that, especially since the only people on the vote where the sheepiest player we have, a guy I don't trust, and someone who seems to think that he has solved game because he led a lynch on scum day one. I wasn't buying it.
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So you're fine with letting someone else make decisions for you so that you can sound like your on board with town without actually risking having to put your own ideas forward. You sound like a productive member of the team, that you do.
I have to say he sure is a great team player. I mean just take a look at this.
if there was going to be a lynch I was going to have to abandon my not incredibly strong read on Sylencia and vote Oats. I did it for a bad reason, because Oats wasn't a particularly strong scum read for me, but I did it so that something could be gained at the end of the day that would hopefully help us find scum
Just taking a blind shot and voting a person that he felt who was not much scummy but others did. Way to go!
Not really, I figured that I was going to get lynched next cycle anyways, but based on the situation that i was put in and how much i trusted the voters on Rad, I thought I'd pick the lesser of two evils, and now I can see that those voters really didn't seem that concerned about Rad anyway, given how quickly they have moved their suspicions onto me. So i have a question, what convinces you that i'm more likely to be scum than Rad?
First, where did he get the idea that suddenly Rad didn't become less suspicious? I don't recall anyone saying that.
Also I wonder what made him so sure that Rad wasn't a scum and predicted that he were going to get lynched in the next cycle. I'm getting a sense from him that he is worried about himself more than catching a scum ATM.
sheepiest player we have, a guy I don't trust, and someone who seems to think that he has solved game because he led a lynch on scum day one.
Plus, I don't know why he thinks he has greater town creditability when he was a lurker just like me and initially refused to vote against a scum then took a blindshot hoping for a scum and now suddenly changed his mind about no lynching.
I don't know if it is a scum sign
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Kick, just because I've been lurking doesn't mean I can't have an opinion.
And 3 out of 7 people is not the majority of town.
And I didn't tell you guys not to vote rad because A) I didn't think I(Captain Lurker) could change the minds of the guy who got the first lynch and his two nodding followers and B) I was agonizing up to the last minute on whether or not I would consolidate because I keep thinking there is the possibilty that my reads are wrong, but this time I felt like if I went and voted without thinking that there would be a 50/50 chance that that action could mean a win for scum or town. And I didn't want to make that decision.
I threw my vote down on Yam because of the two people that sheeped you for that vote on Rad, his behavior has been the most inconsistent throughout the game and he hasn't had his own idea since he first went after Axle, jidol has a least been up front about it.
You are being followed around by two people without any opinions themselves and feeling like you're hot shit because of it. Wake up
Why do you trust Yam now, when you clearly didn't before? I really want to know, because I don't understand why everyone is talking about him like he's confirmed town.
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No one said he is confirmed town. I base my decisions off of who is scummiest at the moment. Rad was scummiest da1 and early day2 by fair, the scummiest of anyone left. So everyone who had the argument that "oh well it is too obvious scum play" i just ignored, because that is not a defense. Luckily for him, I read your actions surrounding this lynch (or lack of one -_-) to be pretty scummy.
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And I don't particularly care for you attacking me trying to make the point I have a huge ego or something. I have consistently been honest about my reads and provided HUGE cases on everyone I have voted for thus far which is more than any of you lazy ass lurkers can say.
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A) thank you for editing my words to fit your point, that is fantastic investigation tactics.
B) My opinion of no lynch on day one was based on the fact that we still had no new information to go on and it was the beginning of the game, which is most acceptable time for town to suffer a mislynch. I voted then to consolidate so that we could actually get the information that came with the flip instead of just twiddling our thumbs. My opinion changed D2 because the stakes were much higher, since we had already lost our doctor, and that if I voted to consolidate then it could equally result in a loss for town or scum, given the likelihood of 3 town deaths in a row based on the flip. So yes, you are correct my opinions did change over time, but because what I knew and what was at stake changed.
And with regards to my attack at Yam's productivity, yes it is hypocritical of me, as it would be for you or for sylencia if either of you said it, doesn't change the fact that he's doing it to but that no one is talking about it whereas us three have been called out for it constantly. Why is no one looking at that?
And I predicted I am next to be lynched because the two most vocal (not necessarily original) players have been stating that that's what they are gonna do tomorrow.
I figure I'm gone anyway, I'm going to fight it if I can, I just want you all to know when I flip town who is my make for scum.
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The stakes were lower D2 than D1. Still doesn't make not consolidating a good choice because now we lose a town member basically for free because we don't even get any information from a mislynch.
At least the N1 NK of our Doc was offset by our lynch of Oats. If mafia plays the way I think they would in this scenario, we gain very little information this cycle.
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On December 09 2012 11:13 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 10:18 yamato77 wrote:
Syl and Arn need to explain why they rejected the idea of consolidating. Axle, too, needs to explain why he didnt vote for the Rad lynch. Just woke up, got to go in about 10 minutes, so I'll just quickly say: I already mentioned how Rad is not scum (in my eyes). I am not going to vote for someone who I can see as town, just because others are voting for them.
So you would rather waste your vote on someone not going to get lynched without any real input on the matter, huh?
If you're going to be inactive you might as well sheep the strong townies because going against them in a majority lynch system is too detrimental.
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So if you can't tell, I am of the opinion that it was in scum's best interest to get a no lynch today to deny us any real information about the alignment of any player they do not hand pick to NK. If Rad is scum obviously this was a fortuitous turn of events for him, but if he is town then scum wanted to deny us that certainty so they decided to keep the lynch from happening.
So my FoS is on Syl, Arn, and Axle. There exists the distinct possibility that Axle is scum, though proving so is difficult. Syl voted for jidol for basically no reason except that he was lurking. In hindsight, I think the vote looks incredibly stupid because I have a pretty decent town read on jidol at the moment, and despite his low post count haven't had a scum read on him all game.
Arn is campaigning against me, something I see as foolhardy. Believe me, you have the wrong idea if you think my play D2 is scummy at all. I sheep the towniest player in the game in a majority lynch on a player who was strongly associated with the scum we lynched day 1 and somehow that is scum play? There are some holes in that logic.
Both of you guys had the same logic in your refusal to consolidate. Your reason for doubting Rad's scumminess (because it is the same fucking reason I posted and threw out), is a WIFOM argument that scum wouldn't double team a town player early on. This argument fails to take into account the possibility of them thinking it had a strong chance to succeed based on people's suspicion of kick's play in regards to me. Any repercussions day 2 from his mislynch could have been redirected to the other people on his wagon. Regardless, if that is your only reason for not voting him, you should reconsider why it is that he is being cast into the spotlight in the first place, which is his continually questionable play up to this point. After the failed wagon on Kick, he has done basically nothing the whole game.
Now if you HONESTLY doubt Rad's guilt, you guys should do something productive for town. Push your reads on players. Make your suspicions known so that you can get some reactions and information. I have done this all game. Right now I lay blame at both your feet for the lack of any new information D2 because neither of you seem very involved in this game. I guarantee you will get lynched if you don't change that.
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The time at which I posted, I said - I believed one of the two between Jidol and Arn were in my eyes going to be the final scum player. However, jidol at the point I had voted did talk but didn't sound very convincing at the time while Arn had not posted yet. Now, purely using what jidol had said and ignoring the fact that Arn hadn't spoken yet at the time was pretty foolish, I admit. It was just getting to the point where 1) I was not going to vote for Rad, and 2) I'd rather move my vote off Axle since you guys did mention how it would be a wasted lynch.
Going into day 3, if I'm still around, I will have to re-evaluate what I have been thinking, but at this current point in time (I've only read the last few posts) my gut still says it's between Jidol and Arn.
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be happy, its all good guys, 
