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debears
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add 5) you had a strong town read on the leading lynch candidate | ||
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Keirathi
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On December 05 2012 01:17 debears wrote: ^^^ add 5) you had a strong town read on the leading lynch candidate He wasn't the "leading lynch candidate" though. DYH was. DP only got lynch at the very last second because of DYH's claim. | ||
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debears
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On December 02 2012 07:40 wherebugsgo wrote: why does it matter, prplhz thought he was dying just like you. scum do whatever they want to live when they think they're gonna die On December 02 2012 07:45 Hopeless1der wrote: Day 1 Votecount Xatalos (1) DoYouHas (1) marvellosity (2) Lazermonkey (1) DarthPunk (6)<---- Gonna get lynched Blazinghand (1) Zealos (2) Not Voting (1) Dandel Ion ~15 minutes until deadline Please notify me of any errors in the votecount On December 02 2012 08:16 wherebugsgo wrote: you fucking retards | ||
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debears
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Are u sure you aren't scum? | ||
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debears
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On December 04 2012 08:17 wherebugsgo wrote: and for the record the reason I wasn't around at lynch time was because I was playing dota. | ||
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Keirathi
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Bugs was pushing for marv to get lynched. Marv was leading the vote, and claimed cop. People switched off of marv to DP. Bugs said "what the fuck kind of cop claims day 1. lynch marv!" More people voted DP. People started switching DYH, until DYH was set to get lynched. Then DYH claimed vig, and two people unvoted him at the last second. Now, what do you expect a townie to do in that situation? Maybe you can think he's not townie because he didn't stick around for another 20 minutes and hope for another vote swing, but leaving in frustration is equally plausible. | ||
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debears
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He leaves 20 minutes before lynch when a strong town read of his was up for lynch and comes back calling everyone retards? There is no town motivation for that. He was not there, he decided for some reason to play dota durjng the lynch out of any time of the day. He couldnt wait 20 minutes? I call bs | ||
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Keirathi
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On December 05 2012 02:30 debears wrote: After his whole day 1, and him flipping out on town, you're going to defend him saying he was frustrated? He leaves 20 minutes before lynch when a strong town read of his was up for lynch and comes back calling everyone retards? There is no town motivation for that. He was not there, he decided for some reason to play dota durjng the lynch out of any time of the day. He couldnt wait 20 minutes? I call bs Of course you call bs because you have your confirmation bias goggles on. Just like I have mine on for BH, and no amount of people yelling otherwise can convince me that one thing makes up for him not playing to his town meta at all. But think about it for yourself. You're convinced WBG is scum. Imagine he's leading the votes with an hour left, and then everyone starts switching off of him to BH (whom you have a town read on, correct?). How would you feel in that situation? I know I would be pissed. | ||
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debears
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Especially when I could save my town read if I was there | ||
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debears
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If he was town, he wouldnt bitch at us for lynching dp. He would have bitched at himself for leaving amd not saving dp | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 05 2012 02:55 debears wrote: Also keir. I did the same shit he's pulling when I was scum. It feels so scum motivated to me If he was town, he wouldnt bitch at us for lynching dp. He would have bitched at himself for leaving amd not saving dp I could almost agree with that second part if it wasn't for the fact that the counterwagon was on the vig. I know bugs has an ego though, and I dunno, it just doesn't seem unlikely for a town bugs to say "fuck you guys" before and after the flip. I'm not even a highly regarded player and I've gotten so frustrated at times that I had to take a break from the thread. So I can definitely see someone like bugs doing it. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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Day 2 Votecount ShiaoPi (5) < --- Gonna get lynched wherebugsgo, sandroba, Lazermonkey, Keirathi, Xatalos wherebugsgo (4) debears, Blazinghand, MrZentor, ShiaoPi Lazermonkey (1) DoYouHas Not Voting austinmcc, Zealos ~5 hours until deadline. Please notify me of any discrepancies. | ||
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debears
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On December 05 2012 03:03 Keirathi wrote: I could almost agree with that second part if it wasn't for the fact that the counterwagon was on the vig. I know bugs has an ego though, and I dunno, it just doesn't seem unlikely for a town bugs to say "fuck you guys" before and after the flip. I'm not even a highly regarded player and I've gotten so frustrated at times that I had to take a break from the thread. So I can definitely see someone like bugs doing it. He didn't know it was the vig for sure at that point. If he was so willing to lynch marv for a bad claim. Why not dyh? Dyh claimed with 30 seconds left to lynch. He barely survived cuz of it. Think about it. | ||
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debears
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Keirathi
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On December 05 2012 03:05 debears wrote: He didn't know it was the vig for sure at that point. If he was so willing to lynch marv for a bad claim. Why not dyh? Dyh claimed with 30 seconds left to lynch. He barely survived cuz of it. Think about it. Herp derp. He was convinced Marv was scum, so he didn't believe the claim. He had no real opinion towards DYH, so it was easier to believe. How does that not make sense :o | ||
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Keirathi
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On December 05 2012 03:06 debears wrote: Hmmm just thought of something Do share. | ||
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Xatalos
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On December 05 2012 01:06 ShiaoPi wrote: Hey Xata, What made that 180°-turn from this: to I can't even comprehend this at all. also your last thing about emotions and stuff is utter trash, I am reacting the way I am since you guys are fucking retarded to lynch me over bugs..... Earlier I was glad that you were producing content with that post, and I was also glad that you brought Ace/Keirathi into my (and others') attention. But after looking at your posts/cases in the earlier game (when you were town) and rereading your reasons for voting Keirathi, it just falls short. Basically the only reason is Keirathi's tunneling (which he didn't continue for all that long after all) and Ace's weird posts during Day 1. It's really not enough to convince me you honestly thought he was Mafia at that moment. We'll see the truth of that with your flip though. I don't think there's another choice for today but you, especially with WBG being the runner-up in votes now. | ||
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Xatalos
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On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote: Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor! Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party.  Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me! First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis. He then votes for Mattchew. Lyter defends Acrofales. Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason. For now, I think he is most likely to be scum. But now, he's just posting one-liners and not really doing much of anything. What's up with him, seriously? Could someone tell me where they're getting this strong town read from? | ||
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Keirathi
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debears
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If WBG is town, - he has been pissed off most of the game for a couple people calling him scum - his claim of not being at lynch is true - he was frustrated after the lynch of DP - he refuses to take blame for the lynch since he was not there because he thinks he's great - he wanted to demoralize town by calling everyone on the wagon retards because he has a small man complex - he flamed up the thread with marv because he felt marv was scum If WBG is scum - he has been pissed off this whole game because he's acting - his claim of not being at lynch could be true or false - if he was scum lurking, he wouldn't have cared who got lynched up until the point that DYH claimed, but he wouldn't just switch his vote on DYH due to the suspicion it would cause at last second - if he was scum not caring about who got lynched, why would he even post? - he demoralized town to seem like he was legit angry and clutter up the thread - he didn't want to take the blame for not being at lynch because he's scum - he wanted to demoralize town because he's scum - he flamed with marv to shit up the thread while staying consistent, using the DP lynch as leverage I want to reiterate some points. WBG's read on DP - where did it come from? Marv provided meta analysis of DP. WBG said he got the opposite conclusion. Where is WBG's evidence? On December 02 2012 05:20 wherebugsgo wrote: yes, let's call scum one of the only players in the game who is not afraid to put forth his opinion. The fuck are you smoking? Where is your meta read of DP coming from? Based on my cursory reads of his meta and past games, I have to agree 100% with his defense (to BH) and that you're completely wrong about how he plays both mafia and town. In addition, since when is calling people dumb a scumtell? DP is clearly not afraid to draw attention to himself by saying the thread has so far been useless. I don't find that particularly scummy in most situations, so I don't understand how DP is suddenly the exception. On December 02 2012 05:27 wherebugsgo wrote: Explain why DP is scummier than Zealos. Also everything you just said is not backed up by any evidence. I took a completely different interpretation from my reading of DP's posts in past games. Why don't you actually provide some evidence for your claims, since the burden of proof is on you to establish why DP is scum? On December 02 2012 05:31 wherebugsgo wrote: Come up with some comparisons of his play here to play in past games that actually show what you're saying. So far you just seem like you're full of shit, since I can't see what you're talking about. Prove me wrong or I'll start gunning to kill you, since your reasons so far all game have been god awful. On December 02 2012 05:48 wherebugsgo wrote: let's kill marvellosity. Firstly: he has 6 pages of almost nothing but aggressive one liners. He calls out DP for being aggressive and antitown, yet he's arguably been the most "aggressive" and antitown player all game. I chalked this up to him just being his normal town self, but something seems off in his reasoning this game. He seems artificially bold and he doesn't actually have good reasoning for anything that he's saying. Indeed he just tried to use a position of authority on DP ("I got his alignment right before" bullshit) instead of actually furthering his case with evidence. When I asked for evidence that supports his claims, he just told me to fuck off. It's clear he's full of hot air and is just a scum flailing around trying to make accusations stick. His accusation on me clearly didn't stick after his half-assed shitty "contradiction" case. It was clear to anyone who was reading the thread that I am not scum, and only the bandwagon-happy and lazy players actually agreed with him. Check this out: How does he know what I think based on one post I made at the time? He says I had no intention on following up on my questions, before i had posted anything. ??? He calls out Zealos at some point for misrepresentation, yet this is as shining of an example of misrepresentation as one could ever find. ##unvote Zealos ##vote marvellosity What is the common theme of these posts? -----Marv's evidence is wrong. I have no counter evidence, but Marv is scum. Also, Marv won't give any more evidence besides what he already posted, so Marv is scum What was Marv's case and evidence? On December 02 2012 06:23 marvellosity wrote: It's very hard to explain a feel meta-read on a guy. Bear in mind I've pretty much coached/hosted/played in every single game he's played in if I recall. Town tells I pick up on his play are when he's lighthearted in the middle of otherwise serious discussions. + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 11:33 DarthPunk wrote: Lol marv scolding me is super cute. On November 13 2012 15:57 DarthPunk wrote: Holy shit after reading BH's case on ZB I thought he was Austin for a moment. 0_o On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote: HI ZB <3. Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out. GG scummers On October 22 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote: If I am right I am going to obnoxiously ungraceful about it. ^_^ On October 22 2012 00:47 DarthPunk wrote: If your alive day 2 we'll all be more than wary. Or scum could have been retarded and not shot you. But yeah. Better lynch you then anyway just to be safe. ROFL.. Other than the initial phase of trolling, I've not seen that here. On Day 1s DP is also less aggressive than he's inclined to be as scum. More constructive, like I said. Look at his attitude here as town: + Show Spoiler + On October 21 2012 09:11 DarthPunk wrote: OK. It was a passing comment. Not a plan. And the reasoning I gave was not the primary motive for the comment. The primary motive was to just throw something out there and stimulate discussion. Mission Successful I guess. The reasoning I gave was the motive behind asking Role over just alignment. People say that my reasoning is bad/ illogical. Fine. I disagree. But either way that you look at it, it was clearly town motivated. That being said I, like others, Tend to believe at least one scum used that situation to hide and fake contribute in. Hapa's meta read aside. I find Drazak's actions difficult to reconcile with a townie mind set. He jumped all to easily on perfections wagon and seemed to actually believe I was scum. Then when pressured, played it off as meaningless and stimulating discussion. Then when the pressure was back on me I am scum again. He is all too obvious in moving with the sway of the thread rather than having his own beliefs and sticking to them/trying to convince others. Furthermore. He dropped a vote that may/ may not have been in order to stimulate discussion parks it there and disappears. which is VERY silly in light of the lynch mechanics. On October 21 2012 21:26 DarthPunk wrote: Wow. I really suck at constructing sentences this late/ always. I hope you can understand WTF I am saying. On October 21 2012 21:28 DarthPunk wrote: For clarity. Keirs play this game is similar to his early Liquid City play. If his play doesn't improve as it did in that game I would take a closer look at him. If I had to pick between a Keir Lynch and a V7 lynch I would lynch V7. On October 21 2012 22:02 DarthPunk wrote: Heh. I guess I should take another look. On October 21 2012 23:36 DarthPunk wrote: Really? I think voting for someone you think is town is a lynchable offense, The only reason that he is not getting lynched is that he is new and people are giving him the benefit of the doubt IMO. I think Drazak is scum. I am not sure Keir is. On October 21 2012 23:53 DarthPunk wrote: I apologise if my posting is bad/unclear I am pulling an all nighter to get my assignment in on time. And I am super tired. Also remember in Mario he was quite apologetic for quite a while about being absent and busy, and was only later in the day he started getting aggressive as he felt he might get lynched. Here he viciously attacks Lazermonkey (oh by the way, also in the quotes above are how he deals with scumreads day 1 - he's not sure!). Having treeated Xatalos 'protectively' he lays into Lazer and after shouting at him a lot finally says that he's not going to bother dealing with him anymore. DP feels much more confident unilaterally calling things shit or retarded day 1 as scum because he knows people's alignments and he knows how the game is running and he has some sense of control. Unlike when he's town when on one hand he firmly believes in his reads but at the same time recognises that his reads are often wrong, and so he interacts with the town more on them. Town DP I know doesn't call the whole town retarded when town is actually working to try to get somewhere. Marv provided quotes from other games. WBG didn't even attempt it. Yet, WBG insists Marv didn't have evidence. Isn't that funny that he had such a strong town read on someone without any evidence? What does this suggest? WBG had extra information that DP was town. How would he have that? Probably cuz he is scum | ||
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