Paranoia Mafia - Page 69

On December 04 2012 23:37 ShiaoPi wrote:
So you seriously want to lynch me off a single mention by VE sandroba? What the fuck is wrong with all of you?

On December 04 2012 12:00 sandroba wrote:
Omg I thought this would blow over, but I see it's getting momentum. I'll post my thoughts when I wake up.

On December 04 2012 23:08 sandroba wrote:
LISTEN PEOPLE!
I've reread WBG's filter a couple times by now. Consider please that yesterday lynch was between 2 townies and scum shot marvelosity. WBG's behavior makes no sense as mafia. Even if you can twist it somehow like you guys have been trying to do, the tone and emotional content of his posts are very genuine. I've played with mafia bugs before, and while he is hard to read, he is either non confrontational or trollish, he doesn't pick fights with people for absolutely no gain like he has been doing this game.

On December 04 2012 22:51 Xatalos wrote:
Heh. Well, I really hope so. I've also played with ShiaoPi before and I must say he was a lot more active and decisive back then. He even defended a (Mafia) player to the very end against every other player and was pretty clear on his reads. Now it feels like he's just giving vague reads and jumping on any realistic bandwagon.

On December 04 2012 22:56 ShiaoPi wrote:


That game was a long time ago and I was also in a different timezone, much more fitting for playing with EU/NA. Just saying you should not take that game as a basis for meta, go for more recent games such as Liquid City or LVI and LVII

On December 04 2012 23:53 sandroba wrote:
@austin your point is?

On December 05 2012 00:04 ShiaoPi wrote:


Fucking ridiculous is all I can say to that, you do not even define what that "pattern" of yours is.
So anyone else that fits that pattern?

On December 04 2012 23:08 sandroba wrote:
Now let's look at ShiaoPi. This dude is desperetely trying to survive. Compare his posts d1, when he wasn't in any danger, to his posts today. He is trying really hard to justify any bandwagons he can hop on to save his own ass. Also look at how this retard wagon on bugs gained traction out of the blue. Even more reason to suspect we were right about ShiaoPi. Use your heads please.

On September 09 2012 16:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well I got some internet for a while now (yes, internet issues are still in play, recently moved to the dorms of my university, so I am not guaranteed network access at the moment). Also reading through the thread, looks like I am now on Hapa's hitlist, joy!




1) I know that my play is off from my town games take it or leave it right now when I am saying that I am town (yet again).

2)I still have internet issues, see above also I am in a stupid timezone (HKT) compared to you. I either have to stay up late or wake up early in order to catch the last of the US-timezones discussing, mostly I don't make it, did stay up once and felt trashed afterwards, so no not willing to repeat that. If that is not enough for you to explain my "meta"-switch, can't do more.

Onto something else though...
I said I'll take another look at maverick and what strikes me as odd is the focus he has on lurkers, while I can agree that this game has a shitton of lurkers (counting myself as well) it is pretty "normal" for a large game to have them around. One should take a look at the (even if few) posts the lurkers have in order to search for scum motivation/anti-town behaviour. Mav does not do it though, for him he has the simple equation of lurker=scum. There is quite the disconnect between this argument and his own behaviour as I would count him into the lurkers as well, so shouldn't he step up his game to fulfill his perception of good town play?

Also looking back into d1 there is quite some amount of soft-defending towards Mattchew within his filter, e.g.:
+ Show Spoiler +& + Show Spoiler +

He also claims to be really focused on scumhunting instead of "looking good"

+ Show Spoiler +

but his "cases" until now has been this single post: + Show Spoiler +

I am not impressed at all.

Furthermore adding up to his shady behaviour, we have this little exchange between him and me:
As soon as I am asking him some questions he feels uncomfortable with, he says this:


Ignoring my questions (still is btw) alltogether.

After we mislynch BKE, it's straight up, back to the lurkers, no mention of DYH or Forumite which were suspicions of him before.

I don't know if you can see town motivation behind his play, I certainly don't, mav is scum, so shoot him tonight or lynch him tomorrow.

Probably won't have internet again before the deadline passes so yeah, that's it from me.

On December 04 2012 00:24 ShiaoPi wrote:
hai bandwagon much?

Anyway, let me first write up what I wanted to yesterday but could not get to before defending myself from bugs. Catching up to the thread I am gonna scratch pretty much all of what I had yesterday. I am going to comment on some of the remaining players now, with a reread of the thread:

BH:
Fuck what I said, I am leaning town on him now.

Zealos:
I would like to get rid of him as he is just a useless lurking piece of space at the moment. His saving grace is firstly that there are better lynches today and secondly (and more importantly) he got voted by VE. While VE is scum and therefore his votes are much more likely to end up on townies (see later in the day with DP and DYH) I don't feel like just taking his filter as 100%-foolproof evidence, heck he softdefended me and I am fucking town.

Xatalos:
This is more or less where it gets interesting. Before the reread I had a scumread on him, this is largely due to the fact that he has an incredibly annoying (to me) way to express his thoughts, convoluted to no end, e.g.: + Show Spoiler +

this entire post can be summed up into this:
-I think you are town DYH, because of the reasons for tunneling you just shared and the late claim
-Please claim your shot just before deadline to avoid too much chance for mafia to interfere, oh and wifom
-I am getting a townread on WBG and BH leans scum to me

or his last post:
+ Show Spoiler +

It just hurts to look at it imo, the information within the post is so little in relation to the lengt Look through Xata's filter, it's full of elaborate stuff without a real conclusion/course of action. This is a clear scumtell in my eyes, no need for that much fluff if you are contributing. There are also a lot of "cases" which he never followed up entirely in a committing way. The problem I have with a potential scum-Xata is that he is making sense. Also he did not jump on the marv bandwagon d1, something I think scum would have loved to do, having a real chance to get a really good player mislynched d1. Conclusion on Xata, null leaning slightly in the red.

Just because I mentioned DYH in my post before, he is confirmed town to me, I don't buy shenanigans with scum shooting themselves and stuff.

Now on to the good stuff: Keirathi
Obviously my changed read on BH is important for a red kei. but let's start from looking at ace:
-He has been dickish, trolly and unhelpful, not exactly a scumtell but it adds to the entire picture.
-What makes me wonder is especially the parts in his filter with "shiao/debears/DYH"-interaction and "shiao/VE/DP"-interaction. I do not remember having thoroughly interacted much with DYH, there were some questions from debears which I answered, also I did not interact with VE/DP in a remarkable kind of way. So I have no clue where he got this from, conclusions he does not read the thread thoroughly and makes shit up as he goes to appear contributing.
Moving on to Kei now,
While I initially agreed with a lot of his points against BH, I was also in the game from the beginning. Now with a clear reread I do not read BH as scummy anymore, from someone who replaces in I would expect him to have a clear mindset as well and I believe Keirathi to be a good enough player to be able to come to the same conclusion as I did. The entire amount of tunneling onto BH as an "easy" target seems to me like an attempt to just derail the entire thread into bascially the same discussion we had at the end of d1. Also the complete disregard for anything else, why? Cuz scum!

##vote: Keirathi

Before I forget it, honorable mention to Lazermonkey, get out of your lurkhole and do something, you are pretty much up next right after Kei!

On December 04 2012 23:37 ShiaoPi wrote:
So you seriously want to lynch me off a single mention by VE sandroba? What the fuck is wrong with all of you?

On December 04 2012 20:11 Lazermonkey wrote:
BH I see you got a town read on ShiaoPi. Or at least not a scum read as of yet. Like I said earlier, I think his interactions with VE aren't very telling because VE could've tricked us hard anyway. However, as I wrote in my case earlier, what do you think about the fact that he basically always have been attacking the person that is under the most pressure, always jumping off the person when there are noone left chasing him? And I also don't think his reasons for chasing these persons have been super strong. Long story short, I have scum reads on both Shiao and WBG, why should I vote WBG over Shiao?

On December 04 2012 22:08 Lazermonkey wrote:
EBWOP: Obviously that isn't always the case. If someone is suuuper scummy D1 and then gets replaced you want to look into the replacement alot. But I don't think that is the case with Ace.

On December 04 2012 23:47 sandroba wrote:
Adressing points on debears case:
1) WBG defended DP, but didn't care DYH was lynched.
I would have mislynched DYH 100% D1 if not for his vigi claim. As I've stated before I thought his case on xatalos was utter bullshit and was very convinced of this guy being scum before replacing in. It doesn't surprise me that WBG didn't care if DYH got lynched instead of DP, which he had a town read on. Now as to why he didn't push DYH instead of going for marv I don't know, but I have to admit that marv's claim was pretty sketchy and I had to think real hard before determining he was likely town. "I am DT" in the middle of D1 with slight pressure on him, followed by "I might not be sane" after people start unvoting him looks suspicious as fuck, specially when you are biased because the dude is being a dick in the thread. For mafia it would make way more sense and be way easier to simply ignore marv and try to get into one of the main alternate wagons. Since you say WBG had no qualms lynching DYH why would he not as mafia simply jump on his wagon instead of trying to get marv lynched. Surely you can imagine the backlash he would suffer once marv flipped DT.

2)Vote on marv
I adressed this on the block above.

3)Bunch of random facts
stating facts and saying that they are scummy does not make it so. 'nuff said

4)bunch of random facts
see above

5) Meta comparison to mad men
I thought he was mafia on mad men. I then learned he wasn't. Your comparison is good for proving he is likely town this game though. You see, wbg and erandor had a much closer relationship than you-him. WBG expected erandor to identify he is town and got pissed off and raged in the thread. Simillar to how he expects better of marv and raged in the thread/assumed he was scum for playing like shit D1. The fact that he didn't adress your points can be explained by how he doesn't know your play/doesn't expect much from you and sees no needs to adress a case that has no traction. I doesn't mean he is auto mafia for ignoring you, sorry.

6) claims meta is the same even if you say it isn't
yes. so?