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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On November 16 2012 11:10 Djodref wrote:
Ok guys I have a meeting right now so I'm not going to be able to participate too much but I find BH claim to be role blocked extremely convenient. Given all his trolly play during D1 and his ill-timed claim, I'm up for a BH lynch today !
I suspect Cross post and vote against BH to be WIFOM or an easy attempt to distance himself from his partner because a BH lynch was not happening D1 for sure.
##Vote Blazinghand
Um, convenient? I tried to avoid getting RBed last night, but several people called it out for what it was. I'm not terribly surprised I got blocked. Unless someone else is claiming they got roleblocked I don't see how my claim is invalid.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Also, if you're not voting for SnB you need to give a very good reason for why he's town.
##vote: SnB
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On November 16 2012 11:10 Djodref wrote:
Ok guys I have a meeting right now so I'm not going to be able to participate too much but I find BH claim to be role blocked extremely convenient. Given all his trolly play during D1 and his ill-timed claim, I'm up for a BH lynch today !
I suspect Cross post and vote against BH to be WIFOM or an easy attempt to distance himself from his partner because a BH lynch was not happening D1 for sure.
##Vote Blazinghand
Convenient? If he is JK, which mafia should have believed the whole time if he is town, would have to rb him...
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lol ninja'd by BH
Now going to bed <3 town
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If there is no counter claim to being roleblocked I am willing to let blazing live uncontested for the next two days.
Djo, not the best start.
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On November 16 2012 11:13 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 11:10 Djodref wrote:
Ok guys I have a meeting right now so I'm not going to be able to participate too much but I find BH claim to be role blocked extremely convenient. Given all his trolly play during D1 and his ill-timed claim, I'm up for a BH lynch today !
I suspect Cross post and vote against BH to be WIFOM or an easy attempt to distance himself from his partner because a BH lynch was not happening D1 for sure.
##Vote Blazinghand Convenient? If he is JK, which mafia should have believed the whole time if he is town, would have to rb him...
This means Kamek remains, and it is unlikely that an SK exists. I'm off to setup speculation land. Also:
*CONFIRMATION BIAS GOGGLES*
On November 15 2012 10:06 Crossfire99 wrote:Yeah, so I just started to write the below post at school when the internet crapped out on me + Show Spoiler + and I could no longer to connect to team liquid. I just got home, so I am posting this now. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 03:11 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:04 strongandbig wrote:AT: "this is a dumb town claim but a dumber scum claim" I have yet to see why this is true. I addressed in this post why BH specifically would make this fakeclaim as scum right now. To summarize, it's a combination of reasons: he really enjoys trolling, and he knows how good of an idea making an unverifiable fakeclaim is as scum under pressure in the current TL meta. your argument "if he's alive in a few days" is terrible. if, in theory, he was town, there would be no reason for scum to kill him above anyone else; they could just roleblock him forever now that he's claimed, and he's taking enough heat that town doesn't get any kind of "confirmed townie" advantage from having him alive. all that said, debears is still my second lynch choice. I guess I should say more about him than "kenpachi rule", but I won't right now because I don't have time. That's cool. Second scum read for no reason. Good scumhunting. Here's my problem with lynching BH today. Why the fuck would the scum risk a teammate on a jk claim, out of all claims this early d1? 1) They have no/little power roles so they don't believe there are many blues this games. Even that is a retarded assumption because the roles on one side don't necessarily affect the roles on another. a. They are a weak scumteam and believe they can't win by pure ability b. They feel like fucking around with a fakeclaim c. They wanted to out the jk/rb day1 d. BH felt honestly at threat even though he has 2 teammates that can help him e. They want to give town plenty of time to counterclaim Those three reasons are dogshit reasons to do it. I see number one as most plausible 2)There is no 2 for mafia. cuz nothing else makes sense Why would town BH claim so early? 1) He's being dumb 2) He doesn't feel like fighting off a lynch 3) He can help eliminate a lynch option day 1 when he knows he fucked up Both views are retarded. The mafia view requires WAY more assumptions. Ockham's razor brah I don't know if the mafia way requires more assumptions. Even if it does and "seems" like the least likely option it might not be. I'll give you two examples from my two recent games. In Aperature 2, the godfather was lynched day 1 with 4 votes with me being the hammer. It was plurality lynch with 13 players. There was assumed to be a 3 man scum team (which there was btw, even if there was only a 2 man scum team, my point still holds). I wasn't scum (I was 3rd party) and I assumed that there was no way that the other 3 guys were scum. It made no sense to me because all they had to do was switch off onto someone else with 2 votes before I voted (I voted very late day 1 IIRC), and then that guy was going to be lynched. It turns out there was a scum bussing the godfather day 1 because of extenuating irl circumstances for the godfather. In my last game, WLIIA, strong claimed blue night 1 as scum and we all believed him because his name claim matched with the other blues in the game. I even made a post attacking the two remaining "non confirmed" townies in the game because one of them had to be scum. Even though they both played really townie and I said so in my cases on them, it still was the "most likely" solution. It turns out it wasn't the case and I eventually began to doubt strong's claim, which was the right thing to do. Both of those examples show that just because something seems "more likely" doesn't mean it is so. We don't know what is going on in the mafia qt, so we just have to look for scummy behavior. We have found scummy behavior in blazing. Strong went over this in the post listed below. + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 23:06 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues that sir is what's called "pushing your luck" Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Thrawn is more right than he's wrong. More stalling, excuses, and mentioning other games in progress from DP.
##unvote
##vote: Darthpunk BH posted this after reading exactly the same explanation from DP that I read, and exactly the same comments on DP's meta from marv as I read, and doing exactly the same amount of work looking into DP's actual scum/town meta as I did (none) - and yet he comes up with a vote? Without at all addressing the points from Marv and from himself about DP's meta? And without addressing the other game in progress issue - which isn't an "unverifiable irl excuse," we can go look at the thread - and yet he comes up with a vote? guys what we have out of BH is not just a scummy and needless claim - we have a scummy and needless claim from a player who isn't playing up to his usual town standard in several ways - bad cases - trolling/fluff while taking the easy opportunity to gain points by attacking other people for fluff and most importantly - the huge mismatch in thread presence, thread control, and town organization between BH's last town game (whose line) and this game And then we have Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues BH psychology: he just saw me do well - not win, except for self-declaring victory, but do much better than I should have given how the game started out - he saw me do well by fakeclaiming blue and then really pushing that fakeclaim hard. He also just had what I assume must be a trollgasm from evoking ridiculous reactions from Keirathi in that same game. Now he's claimed blue for no good reason, and it's a blue role that he can "verify" easily by withholding KP, or that he can make unverifiable by claiming to be roleblocked. There's no way a town BH decides "there are 3 or 4 votes on me, like 30 hours before the lynch - time to claim!" I just don't believe that thought process is real. ##vote: blazinghand This post on blazing is making me change my mind about strong. I like his reasoning and I now see him as more townie than scummy. He did post a lot of unnecessary fluff and one liners, but I did that in my last game, WLIIA, and I was town. ##Vote Blazinghand
On November 15 2012 10:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
BLAZINGHAND? REALLY?!
PERFECT TIMING
But otherwise, I don't think clarity is scum from his night discussions.
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I totally set that up with crossfire you see, because that post makes me look like super town and stuff. I needed my town cred because I had none before that point.
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Ehm, just thinking out loud here. If there are masons in this game, should they claim now? They can confirm eachother, right?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I'd think they should only claim if one of them is gonna get lynched, or maybe at the end of a night. If someone is massoned with SnB, claim away-- but for now I think they shouldn't claim unless they think there's something they can immediately do with it.
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Don't we freely skip like 5 steps if we have 2 confirmed town? Where's the downside? Especially if it's people we don't look at as town right now.
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I'm sorry but I have been reading the whole thread and I find BH play absolutely terrible and not showing any sign of town play at all. I'm not saying that S&B looks innocent but I want to lynch BH when I compare the 2 of them.
I don't think mafia would have roleblocked him because he's more likely to be an SK than JK in my eyes and mafia had great interest to let the SK do his job after a Bowser lynch on D1. So I think he is fake claiming to have been role blocked. And if you wait for a counter role block claim, it might never come because we have no idea if they are roleblockers in this game yet.
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On November 16 2012 11:08 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Sigh. Should have jailed marv.
If I was Jailed and the Jailkeeper was Roleblocked. Would I still recieve my Roleblocked PM If JK was roleblocked by a town roleblocker, yes. If JK was blocked by a scum roleblocker, no.
Well there is no way to verify BH's claim anymore. so that is shit.
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On November 16 2012 06:53 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:47 marvellosity wrote:On November 16 2012 06:46 Dandel Ion wrote:On November 16 2012 06:43 marvellosity wrote:On November 16 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:On November 16 2012 06:36 debears wrote:
And if bh is sk its a wasted shot if he's nk immune not necessarily. because if he's jailkeeper, scum would be roleblocking him to try to prevent him saving their scumshot. And scum would only know he's not-scum. And if he doesn't die, then town knows 100% that he is SK. That would be extremely valuable. EBWOP: to clarify a little, roleblocking removes one-shot immunity. No, in this game it doesn't. Are there any other rules that are non-standard that I should know about? The only other thing I am aware of is that Keir set the night action resolution priority to "scum RB > town RB/jail > everything else".
Not sure if that's non-standard though.. I am but a newbie after all.
If town JK/RB and scum RB target each other (AND scum RB has the nk shot)....? I`d like to confirm the resolution.
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His play is terrible, I agree. But no way he's scum. If he's SK that's fine, as long as he's not killing people at night. A JK claim as SK is still extremely unlikely in my eyes. The only reason marv considered it was because he retracted it, but he re-claimed.
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On November 16 2012 11:25 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:53 Dandel Ion wrote:On November 16 2012 06:47 marvellosity wrote:On November 16 2012 06:46 Dandel Ion wrote:On November 16 2012 06:43 marvellosity wrote:On November 16 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:On November 16 2012 06:36 debears wrote:
And if bh is sk its a wasted shot if he's nk immune not necessarily. because if he's jailkeeper, scum would be roleblocking him to try to prevent him saving their scumshot. And scum would only know he's not-scum. And if he doesn't die, then town knows 100% that he is SK. That would be extremely valuable. EBWOP: to clarify a little, roleblocking removes one-shot immunity. No, in this game it doesn't. Are there any other rules that are non-standard that I should know about? The only other thing I am aware of is that Keir set the night action resolution priority to "scum RB > town RB/jail > everything else".
Not sure if that's non-standard though.. I am but a newbie after all. If town JK/RB and scum RB target each other (AND scum RB has the nk shot)....? I`d like to confirm the resolution.
In that case the shot goes through. Scum RB has higher priority.
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I take back what I say about BH "no way he's scum"
But he's not a good lynch today.
I'm going to bed. Night night!
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On November 16 2012 11:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
His play is terrible, I agree. But no way he's scum. If he's SK that's fine, as long as he's not killing people at night. A JK claim as SK is still extremely unlikely in my eyes. The only reason marv considered it was because he retracted it, but he re-claimed.
Why is there no way for him to be scum ? Given how disruptive his play is, I'm not going to discard totally this possibility.
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Votecount:
strongandbig (4): Kickstart, Clarity_nl, Blazinghand, debears
Blazinghand (1): Djodref
Not voting (5): strongandbig, DarthPunk, Hopeless1der, iamperfection, Z-BosoN
Currently, strongandbig is set to be lynched! ~ 47.5 hours remaining in Day 1.
Full version:
+ Show Spoiler +strongandbig (4): Kickstart, Clarity_nl, Blazinghand, debears
Blazinghand (1): Djodref
Not voting (5): strongandbig, DarthPunk, Hopeless1der, iamperfection, Z-BosoN
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