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On November 04 2012 16:48 Djodref wrote: @ Clarity
A few people never answered your questions from the list. Why do you not push them as well ?
Because I felt it would go along nicely with any cases I would make. If you "miss" a question asked to you that's super scummy because town reads and re-reads a lot. Scum just sorta play.. Because they don't need extra information.
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On November 04 2012 16:27 sylverfyre wrote: @Obzy - I made a pressure vote. Debears responded to it. We went back and forth at each other for a while. When we started to get into a loop of OMGUS, I was starting to feel like it was a waste of time and space that wasn't bringing a lot to the town, I let the vote drop. Scum love nothing more than when two townies are at each others throats constantly without looking at other people.
I'm not going to random vote first half of day 1 and follow it through all the way to lynchtime unless my target makes some SERIOUS scumtells under pressure. While debears doesn't exactly look pristine, I need to look at (and scumhunt sniff) more than 1 person on day 1.
@ sylver
So are you saying that debears is a townie ? Slipping again ? I'm not sure what you want to say by "he doesn't exactly look pristine". Could you elaborate ?
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EBWOP I felt like the fact that they didn't answer a question was more important than the answer to the question. Still do.
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On November 04 2012 16:22 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 13:19 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 11:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:13 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:09 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Debears you seem really paranoid.
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He didn't call you, Debears the person, a liar. You're taking Alsn's nit-pick of a post awfully personally.
The quick, useless FoS is also the same exact tactic you used last game. Old hat, Debears, old hat. 1) i don't wear a hat2) i rescind my argument. The red text threw me off Scumtell. Howso? Mafia usually wear hats. He's so adamant that he most certainly does NOT wear a hat. Therefore, scumtell. I thought you were gonna come out with some kind of awesome flavor theory. Dissapointed. On others I'd point your joking attitude out as scum but I mean, you're Mr Cheesecake. Anyone stand out to you so far? I didn't joke at all last game, apart from a few trollish posts at the end hehe. I just think Debears is playing his scumgame from the last game right to the T. Aggressive opener, meaningless FoS. He also explicitly mentions that he's town and is being called a liar (someone saying you lied =/= being a liar). It's cause I read your Mafia QT I guess, you're right, in the thread itself you were super serious. So why the change of tone? XXIX is my first mafia game on TL, so it's my first encounter with debears. Maybe debears opens like this in every mafia game regardless? I'll go dig around. Feel free to comment debears. @ CalrityFirst encounter with debears ? What did you mean to say exactly ? <snip> As for your concerns about me, I have already said that I will be making a case (or multiple) today. First day is information gathering.<snip>
@ Clarity
So you want to gather information but you don't push people to answer to the questions that you have asked them. I don't think that forgetting to answer some question is that alignment relevant.
I find you quite passive in your information gathering so far by the way.
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All the answers I got were sufficient. Hell, your answer had an entire case on sylver attached to it. Maybe I should be pushing people harder. I feel like there are plenty of people already doing that though.
My top scrumreads at the time were you and Alsn, Alsn wasn't around at all and you were already being pushed by others. I was just reading, and as I said I will end up posting at least a solid case today, you can tell me if my information gathering has been weak at that point.
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On November 04 2012 16:22 Clarity_nl wrote: <snip>
But to summarize... Djo says it's a plurality lynch so we should split our attention. I show my thoughts on everyone because I get asked, and Djo says I should focus more on certain people. I focus on da0ud and he dissapears, so I wait rather than letting it go.
The reason I got defensive was because I spent a while making that post, and you shit on it with a one liner.
@ Clarity
I didn't mean that we should individually split up our attention but that the whole town should consider more than 2 lynch candidates. I think that is better for us to focus on some players until we can have a better read on them. Maybe the best thing to do is to play like you want.
If someone is disappearing, you should better cast your vote on him and move on. And if you are suspicious of me, I'm expecting some pressure from you and not from other players. Why do you trust them to do your job ? They could be mafia, don't they ?
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If they are, that's even more reason not to take over what they're doing. If I feel someone is pressuring you but not making good points then I will point that out.
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On November 04 2012 17:08 Clarity_nl wrote: All the answers I got were sufficient. Hell, your answer had an entire case on sylver attached to it. Maybe I should be pushing people harder. I feel like there are plenty of people already doing that though.
My top scrumreads at the time were you and Alsn, Alsn wasn't around at all and you were already being pushed by others. I was just reading, and as I said I will end up posting at least a solid case today, you can tell me if my information gathering has been weak at that point.
@ Clarity
Could we at least know who you are going to prepare your cases against ? I also would like to know who has not answered your question from your list yet.
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Top 3 choices in my eyes are Debears, Sylver and you.
As for people who haven't answered my questions: Alsn, Cheese, Sylver.
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Wouldn't you mind to discuss what you have against me right now ? I'm going to have to sleep before the deadline and I don't want to have to defend your case against me while waking up and catching the thread. Plus it's going to be likely that I need to decide my vote at this time so I would prefer to focus on analysis rather than defense at that time.
I find it odd that you don't want to go after Cheese as well. He should be looking quite scummy in your eyes right now because he didn't answer your question. Also, if I want to sum up his contribution so far, he is just tunneling me after an OMGUSy FoS on me.
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EBWOP Da0ud is my lynch candidate right now though. But I think making a case for him isn't even necessary, he needs to show up and be around to ask questions, rather than address them half-heartedly and disapear again.
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Cheese is not looking scummy. He hasn't answered my question but that by itself doesn't mean a whole lot. It's in combination with other factors that it means something to me. The deadline is in about 16-17 hours, don't worry I'm not going to post a case close to deadline, but I will not be posting a case right now.
What's with the double standards, you want me to fight my own fights but you're asking me about cheese, who you FoS'd
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@ Clarity
I'm not requesting you to make a case about Cheese. I was asking you your read about him, sort of... I'm surprised that you have nothing more against him than not having answering your question. I'll keep this in mind
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On November 04 2012 15:00 sylverfyre wrote: daoud: I find it interesting that da0ud is tunneling Clarity for voting him when he was asleep, but not debears. debears/da0ud interaction: I find it interesting that debears felt the need to vote da0ud when da0ud is already being called out. (And he dropped his vote on me in order to do it)
Sorry but I think i have been tunelling more Debears on it than Clarity. If you look back, my vote (at the moment) stands on Debears for that matter
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Da0ud please give us your top reads right now.
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On November 04 2012 17:32 Clarity_nl wrote: EBWOP Da0ud is my lynch candidate right now though. But I think making a case for him isn't even necessary, he needs to show up and be around to ask questions, rather than address them half-heartedly and disapear again.
Sorry to appear half hearted to you but D1 has always appeared very random to me. Most of the cases come from nitpicking or someone contradicting himself. Moreover on the weekends I don't have too much time to write structured cases on other people because real life stuff take over. I count on doing real cases on D2 if I am still alive. The good thing about it is that we will have some real information at that point: interaction with the one lynched D1 and the one NK1. D2 Will take place Tuesday Wednesday, perfect timing at work to write cases when I am bored in the afternoon.
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On November 04 2012 18:38 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 17:32 Clarity_nl wrote: EBWOP Da0ud is my lynch candidate right now though. But I think making a case for him isn't even necessary, he needs to show up and be around to ask questions, rather than address them half-heartedly and disapear again. Sorry to appear half hearted to you but D1 has always appeared very random to me. Most of the cases come from nitpicking or someone contradicting himself. Moreover on the weekends I don't have too much time to write structured cases on other people because real life stuff take over. I count on doing real cases on D2 if I am still alive. The good thing about it is that we will have some real information at that point: interaction with the one lynched D1 and the one NK1. D2 Will take place Tuesday Wednesday, perfect timing at work to write cases when I am bored in the afternoon.
I would have an easier time believing you if you had mentioned your inactivity during the weekend in the pregame. Now it's just a convenient excuse if you're scum.
I don't want to lynch you, there's not enough information on you, but "don't worry guys D1 doesn't matter" is a terrible attitude if you're town. If no one speaks then even after a lynch and NK you have nothing to go on. We HAVE to communicate with eachother.
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I think I have been communicating. I have not made a real case on someone yet, this I agree.
Earlier I pointed out that Djodref mentioned "re-reading" the thread (sorry for sheeping on this one I had not seen that someone else pointed it out before). This time I want to emphasize the fact that you said "I will ask Hapa" for some piece of advice rather than my coach. This screams scum to me trying to blend in by mentioning the name of the town team's coach.
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You're right, I shouldn't have said Hapa. I'm sorry.
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On November 04 2012 18:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Da0ud please give us your top reads right now.
My scum-ish reads at the moment would be you (clarity), djodref and debears. I am pretty null on CC and Sylver. Pretty town vibe on rad and alsn at the moment. Obzy I have to read his filter. On the top of my head he has not posted so very much and has not been part of major arguments.
Ps: sorry if poor formatting or spelling mistakes I am phone posting.
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