EPTIt's 8 PM CST for me. Which is 3:30 hours before now
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debears
United States2516 Posts
It's 8 PM CST for me. Which is 3:30 hours before now | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Clarity Have you guys noticed Clarity ? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
FoS on Clarity incoming  | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:58 Clarity_nl wrote: I think I understand what you mean by this, but you're going to have to clarify. Stop being so vague! My interpretation of what you mean: "Just because sylver said the townies are dedicated doesn't mean he knows who the townies are, he just meant people in general during the daycycle" I'm not sure I agree with you... but you could still be more clear! I could have been more clear indeed. I said Djo's points where less valid the Debears (the scum read cause he votes against someone who posts fluff, and the nit picking on interpreting the townies/players situation). Debears case was making more sense : timing of post and conspiracy and structured list of arguments. As of now I think his case is not making any sense either. - Sylver explained why it took time to post and actually posting 6 minutes after Debears said he will be gone is not the perfect timing for a masterplan. - Accusation on the fluff in the thread made Debears go nuts over it. Yes there is content as well but the time it took him to get over it generated even more noise than just some (35% ^^) fluff before. - Last point is a WIFOM. Subjective interpretation of what Sylver said about town (Town as a whole ?) being active. Then including himself as active among others and then turning that as an bullet against Sylver for voting him. All of this comes for the interpretation of the activity on this whole community. | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On November 04 2012 13:42 Djodref wrote: Clarity Have you guys noticed Clarity ? At least we are noticing that you noticed him | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Has Sylver done anything to to make you think he is town? | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On November 04 2012 13:39 debears wrote: Um I think it's 9 KST. It's 8 PM CST for me. Which is 3:30 hours before now 9 KST is 8 HKT. I start work @ 7.40 so it will be tough for me to be arround. The best I can do is wake up @ 6 instead of 7. However with the pace at which to thread goes I will wake up tomorrow with 10 pages to read and I wont be able to make a constructive vote. I could ninja vote at the last minute but I am not really pro this behaviour. Most likely i will put my vote tonight roughly 9 to 10 hours before lynch and stick to it. On a side note I wont be able to defend myself either if mafia decides to target me during the night as well. This is exactly what happened in the last game. I had announced it before and still got lynched. | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On November 04 2012 00:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes, but WHY do you like Debears's case more? Specifics! Please stop being so vague da0ud. You don't have a lot of posts but all of them are basically "I agree with you" or "I don't agree with you" | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 04 2012 13:42 Djodref wrote: Clarity Have you guys noticed Clarity ? I'm betting that you didn't really notice him because this guys is sure blending in First of all, I would like to say that Clarity is non-committal with his reads. Please have a look at the different posts in the following spoiler. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 18:43 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't think it's directed at you specifically, but it's interesting that you think it is. The reason Cheese said to not drop the newbie card is because it's not town behavior. When you are town you want people to believe you, if you come out of the gate saying you're awful and no one should listen to you then that's anti-town. It also prevents scum from using "omg sorry I'm just new!", the less excuses scum have available the better for town. My reads at this point in time: Obzy: Leaning slightly town. He hasn't quite come out of his shell yet but he seems genuinly interested in discussion and progressing. @ Obzy Do you think you can get over this "I'm new" thing and give us the best reads you've got? Instead of posting something that's obvious to everyone perhaps post something that stands out to you. _ Rad: Null. He's being more careful than last game, lurking a bit more. He mentioned he would be more careful, but not in pregame, he did this after the role PMs were sent. He also seems really invested in helping Obzy out as he's the newest, the only one here who wasn't in XXIX. @ Rad Why the interest in Obzy? Are you going to use MLG as an excuse at any point this weekend? _ Alsn: Leaning slightly scum, very little info about him though. He opened super aggressive this game, which is the opposite of how he played in the majority of XXIX. Perhaps the only reason he snapped at debears so hard is because debears said @ Alsn Why the change in behavior from last game? What do you think of debears at this point? _ Mr Cheesecake: Null. He went SUPER defensive when he was called out about making a ton of jokes, but that discussion got blown way out of proportion. The fact that he's acting more like the way he was in mafia QT XXIX than in the actual XXIX thread is indicative of town. @ Cheese You did have some jokes in the XXIX thread. Can you tell us if these were jokes for the sake of jokes or if you used them to push a scum agenda? An argument can be made for both. _ Djodref: Leaning slightly scum, He was obsessed with policy. Everyone was ready to move on but he kept mentioning it over and over. He's also the person that blew up the whole *Cheese's scum joke* thing, which bogged us down for a couple of pages. @ Djodref If you had to lynch someone right now, would it be da0ud or someone else? _ Debears: Null. Regardless of if he's scum or town, he is getting the ball rolling which is good for us. Problem is... that was what he was doing in XXIX as well and he was scum in that. Older games suggest this is simply his meta so there is no read to be made about his opening. What I'm curious about is if he's going to pull a vanishing act in D2 / D3 again. @ Debears What's your ready on Obzy? _ Sylverfire: Null. Only have 3 real posts to read him on. He opened really aggressive onto debears, even though he's keeping the ball rolling, an odd choice. He showed up way late but Rad pointed out that he is sticking to the same schedule he's had in previous games. @ Sylverfire You've only shared your read on debears, is there anything else that stands out to you? _ So with all that said, I only have two slight scumreads on Alsn and Djo, so I hope they defend themselves as soon as possible. Even if we end up lynching da0ud for lurking, currently with 0 posts, we can at least gather as much information as possible Hopefully this gets some discussion going, please comment on as much as possible in my post and point out any flaws. Do no avoid answering the questions I addressed to you, it would be a very scummy thing to do. This post is full of null reads or slight reads, it speaks for itself. On November 03 2012 21:39 Clarity_nl wrote: My two weak scumreads are still you and Alsn, but that's what they are... weak. My post is simply to gather as much info as possible. I will end up making a case before the day is over, but I figured giving this thread a good kick would help. Weak scumreads on Alsn on me On November 04 2012 04:38 Clarity_nl wrote: <snip> I am no longer suspect of Alsn, at least not as much. Although he seems to have a hard on for debears and djo he's making decent points and trying to further conversation. Debears... I'm not quite sure. The stubbornness about sylver's post where he said he has a lot of fluff really shouldn't have been that big of a deal, he just couldn't let it go. Maybe Rad is on to something. Drops Alsn and is wishy washy about debears Then Clarity is also using double-standards, he has being reproaching Rad not to scumhunt but have you seen Clarity scumhunting ? You might argue that he has put pressure on daoud but he has conveniently done it while it was Saturday night in Hong Kong. And given daoud lurky habits, it's an easy target to attack. On November 04 2012 05:02 Clarity_nl wrote: Although caution can be a good thing Rad, you should be careful. If you don't have enough information to make a read make sure to get more information. It would be too easy for scum to go: "Ah, I dunno, don't really have any reads" You shouldn't be getting away with this as town. I'm curious as to any cases you might make in the next 24 hours. Clarity has been defensive when I was trying to give him advice after his post with his reads. On November 03 2012 21:17 Djodref wrote: Just a remark for Obsy and Clarity, lists can been seen as a scumtell. I know that newbies love them so it's a null tell for me right now. Let me explain. Making list makes you look like as an active contributor while you are not really committing on any player. From a list post, it's easy to blend in and find some reasons to vote for the possible lynch candidates. And I also think it would be better for you to focus on your scumreads rather than dispatch your attention. If you are town, of course  The point I really don't like in his reaction is the fact that he said that he didn't make a list. On November 03 2012 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Where did I make a list? Unless you're talking about my reads on everyone, which I don't see can ever be a bad thing. You are the one who pointed out that it is a plurality lynch, and that we should not focus too deeply on a select few. My "list" forces everyone to comment on it, and perhaps gain insight on others through my observations or sees a flaw in my logic and helps me out by pointing it out. Yeah, I've read that lists are generally a mafia tell, or newbie town, but this is only the case if they do not contribute. Are you saying that my post will not contribute? Regarding the plurality lynch, we have individually to focus on our scum reads but town in general should not focus on only two players. By the way, you have failed to put pressure on me or Alsn, but we were your scum reads. In conclusion FoS Clarity | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On November 04 2012 13:19 debears wrote: @Dau0d Nice. We can have some fun now What input do you have on the my cases on Sylver and Rad? I have already commented on your case against Sylver and i think it does not really stand as proving his is scum. I can see some town paranoia behind it from you but not so much of scum tell on him from your case. Your case on Rad : Not too sure about your first three points (Thread cop mentality, Talking about last game, Excuse for not making reads for 1st half of d1). I am a bit confused and the last point on his excuse seems fair enough. Your last point has more taken the direction of a scum read on you rather than a scum tell on him. It would have been easy for him to give a damn percentage but it would not have brought us anywhere. 30, 40, 45% so what ? Your acharnement on getting the number fills up on more page in your filter. The most interesting point in your case is the 180 change on tone with you. This is a bit odd indeed because it was clear to me you were not trying to put him down and a bit of coaching can always help. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 04 2012 13:50 debears wrote: @Djo and Dau0d Has Sylver done anything to to make you think he is town? @ debears At least he tried to defend himself in a reasonable way. I'm waiting real scumhunt from him before changing my vote. The point he has against you + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2012 03:00 sylverfyre wrote: Yes, I did. I couldn't get any reads out of it, but I mentioned it. In my first post: You, on my posting times TL Went down. Delayed me writing up my intro post. Also, it's friday, so I stay up later because I don't have work the following morning. And I was out friday evening. (For reference, I am EDT.) Also, I was DEAD by D2. You have no sample size. Seriously, wild conspiracy theory gets us nowhere. It's scummy to post arguments that have no merit. I'm still attacking you because you continue to flail around with no useful reasons. But these are particularly useless: But it's more on the number of one-liners you post. Like, your entire fucking filter. You constantly post multiple times within 5 minutes of each other. It's just unnecessary. The biggest red flag to me was: If your 30 page filter looks like this, debears, how the is anyone supposed to process it as information? You write twenty sentences per page of filter. That's what I'm complaining about. You can put more than one sentence into a post. Please do, for the sake of the town. Alright, enough about the fluff. I simply have asked a favor. As for the continued Vote on debears: At this point, I'm more concerned about you making up conspiracy theories about me. You OMGUS voted me (not surprising) but you're standing by it for really weird reasons. I'm not the only one calling them weird. Making up weird reasons about me is not getting us anywhere. I am finding it 1% more scummy with each straw you grasp at. Maybe you're overreacting because you're a scum in a bind? I find it strange, and suspicious. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 04 2012 13:52 da0ud wrote: 9 KST is 8 HKT. I start work @ 7.40 so it will be tough for me to be arround. The best I can do is wake up @ 6 instead of 7. However with the pace at which to thread goes I will wake up tomorrow with 10 pages to read and I wont be able to make a constructive vote. I could ninja vote at the last minute but I am not really pro this behaviour. Most likely i will put my vote tonight roughly 9 to 10 hours before lynch and stick to it. On a side note I wont be able to defend myself either if mafia decides to target me during the night as well. This is exactly what happened in the last game. I had announced it before and still got lynched. The deadline is 9am HKT. It is possible for you to catch up wen you arrive at work or are you too busy in the mornings ? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I need to take more time to check what happened between you and Rad but, at first glance, you just look like two stubborn guys shouting at each other. I'm more interested in Clarity right now What's your take on him ? | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
I definitely agree on two points of your accusation Djo : the blending in part. On November 04 2012 05:02 Clarity_nl wrote: Although caution can be a good thing Rad, you should be careful. If you don't have enough information to make a read make sure to get more information. Reading these two sentences over and over again keep making me laugh. The second point is : On November 04 2012 14:07 Djodref wrote: By the way, you have failed to put pressure on me or Alsn, but we were your scum reads. Not much to add on this one. I would like to be a bit less aggressive on the vote against me. It is suspicious indeed when you, Djodref, told him the reason why I was not present. He still voted for me but I think it is in order to catch my attention to reply to his direct attacks against me. I did reply to him so let see what he has to say before me being over aggressive towards his vote against me. He definitely lies towards the scummy type though. | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:14 Djodref wrote: The deadline is 9am HKT. It is possible for you to catch up wen you arrive at work or are you too busy in the mornings ? Really tough, I am usually really busy from 8am to 11am when most of the markets in asia do open. Afterwards it is calmer. The only way for me to catch up as best as i can is to wake up earlier. But as I said before I am afraid that it will take too long if there is another batch of 10 pages to read. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Has clarity actually brought up anything original on anyone (not counting Dau0d)? @dau0d On sylver, the fact that he said townies showing dedication, and I'm one of them, showing the most dedication, and he votes me is the reason why I still find it suspicious. Townies is much different than the town or everyone. My first 3 points on Rad revolved about him just chiming in on stuff that was easy to do so on. His 180 is by far the strongest point though in my case. Idk if you looked at all my posts on the % thing. In essence, the points boil down to this. On November 04 2012 09:03 debears wrote: ebwop ninja'd Let me try to state it to where you understand 1) You (slyverfyre) accused me of too much fluff without thinking of the content 2) Although there was fluff in my filter, it was a large filter that contained content 3) Thus, I wanted you to do that so you could see that there was plenty of content in my filter Got it? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
@Djo My problem with Clarity is that I don't feel that Rad or Sylverfyre have scumhunted sufficiently either. And the Rad 180 on me gives me him as my strongest scumread atm. Your strongest point may be the non-committal and scumhunting part. I'll look over him more and tell ya if I find anything. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
What are your thoughts on Obsy? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
Reading over Clarity's filter, I see what you mean. His posts are talking about general stuff. He asks a few questions but doesn't pursue them. If I recall correctly, he was much more aggressive day 1 last game, seeing as he was keying on me and I actually wanted to nk him them. His post of null reads is something that scum like to do (although newbies too). Fortunately, we have about another 19 hours or so before lynch to see if any of the three out of Rad, Sylver, and Clarity do some unique/original scumhunting | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I have doubts regarding sylverfire being scum because it would have been very ballsy for a mafia player to open with a post like this. He was sure to stand out by using his vote as a stronger FoS on you. Also slips are not that indicative Clarity, on the other hand, makes sure to not stand out. He didn't follow up Cheese even though this one didn't answer his question, I didn't feel pressure from him in Alsn direction or in my direction. He has not done anything original apart from nit-picking some sentences here and there. I have to check Rad's filter but I can understand where he stands right now because of last game. | ||
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