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On October 20 2012 08:49 Djodref wrote:A blue role ? Protecting VE What about a mafia role ? If we have no claim we have to assume mafia imo. We don't even know if its a role at all, I'm just spitballing
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if was a scum action why would they pardon ve and not thrawn....
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On October 20 2012 08:51 kushm4sta wrote: if was a scum action why would they pardon ve and not thrawn....
If there is a role like this, and if it's a mafia role then VE is obviously scum.
If we have no claim, we can assume a mafia role or the lynch mechanics...
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You say lynch mechanics... how would that be fair for some random person to be excluded from lynching without it being the result of player action.
If it's scum, and thrawn is scum, why wouldn't they pardon him instead of VE?? That doesn't make sense to me.
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so our conclusion is the mods are fucking with us for shits and giggles, or there's another blue/3rd party
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Cuz I'm not scum u silly. Don't worry I love being mislynched. It's the part of the game where in the past ive figured out who is scum.
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Anyway,
Mementoss flipping town leads me to finally accept the fact the Hopeless is the closest to what we have from a confirmed town. I had some doubts regarding a Mementoss/Hopeless scumteam but these days are obviously over. I still don't like Hopeless filter D1 and D2 nor the fact that he wanted to lynch daoud so much but he gave good reasons for it. See in the following spoiler + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2012 14:25 Hopeless1der wrote:I've finally gotten through Austin's case on MMT and I also reread through MMT's djodref case and his defense of me. Ultimately, I'm currently more town on MMT but unwilling to support a lynch on austin today. I read da0ud as scummy and I also don't think he's a prime candidate for any upcoming NK's, whereas Austin, MMT, VE are all significantly more likely to get taken out by scum (assuming they aren't scum themselves, duh). Lynching da0ud is a better longterm plan for town imo as it cleans out sandroba/ET's read on him and I think it will narrow our reads a lot more than say lynching MMT or Austin. Yes, its scummy to do things for information alone, but then again, why was ON lynched instead of sandroba? People (not me) felt they would be able to tell sandroba from sandroba. Can anyone in this game say the same of da0ud? I'm revising my votes so that MMT and Austin get my 6/7 spots. I don't want either lynched today because MMT has started to put down some serious effort into the thread (scum motivated or not) and Austin, while tunneling, is still known to post walls of text from time to time. There is also the fact that VE has just replaced in and has yet to properly sit down and take a good look at this game I think. 1-da0ud 2-djodref 3-kushm4sta 4-VisceraEyes 5-Thrawn2112 6-Mementoss 7-Austinmcc 8-Hopeless1der djodref is up there because in isolation, he's a scummier looking player, but I feel I'm really forcing any connections I make between him and other players. Since I want to hold off on MMT/Austin, after da0ud I'm ranking in the order of who I would care least if they were to go missing. I don't think kush or VE are going to be anywhere close to getting lynched, and I may need to move djodref around to have a better shot at da0ud.
Really tired, so I'll lay out the short version of why I want da0ud before I go to sleep: - Page 2 of his filter - Flipflops and Loss of Conviction
- sandroba and EchelonTee read him as scum
- His wtf thrawn/thrawn reads for little to no reasoning
- He had "great" plans for the potato, but never actually got the damned thing
- ON could have been trying to save him by lastminute voting djodref
- Suspiciously posts a scum->town ladder before the lynch mechanic is revealed. This just seemed too coincidental to me
Why do I think that Hopeless is a town ? First of all is this great post from Mementoss -> + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2012 20:53 Mementoss wrote:Why Hopeless1der is Most likely Town The Facts: 1. Original Name2. EchelonTee 3. Sandroba 4. EchelonTee last minute vote bombs Original Name to put him into the finals The Theory: Alright, I want you to pretend you are on the scum team and think from a team planning and chatting in the obs QT while you read this. Looking at day 1 and the facts we have, I think its pretty obvious hopeless1der is town. I thought he was scummy, for his posts, but after thinking of this and unable to answer the question with any confidence I have come to the conclusion he is town. In the semi finals, Hopeless1der was set to move on to the finals over Original Name until EchelonTee last minute voted him through. Scum could not have foreseen this happening. Therefore scum wanted Hopeless1der in the finals to be against Sandroba . I think this was an attempt to get a guarenteed mislynch. It is the only situation in my mind that makes any sense whatsoever. If both Hopeless1der and Original Name were scum, the scum team would have had to make a decision, who was less of an asset to their team. Who could they afford to bus? The obvious answer to this question is Original Name. Why? Because Original Name was guarenteed to be a lynch contender for the rest of the game, and would eventually be killed. However, this was not the case, as scum clearly wanted hopeless1der through, until EchelonTee ruined their plan. Do you think if hopeless1der was scum they would send him against Sandroba hoping he could win out? Very doubtful. It woulda been the same sort of case, "well they both look scummy, not sold on either, so lets be safe and not lynch the vet Sandroba ". If you cannot make sense of this round with hopeless1der being scum, or think of logical (likely) scum motivation for sending Hopeless1der over Original Name. If it doesn't make sense, than it probably isn't true. Therefore: Hopeless1der > HopelessNow, I need to re-read the Hopeless1der vs Original Name matchup because I think scum was trying to send hopeless1der through to save Original Name. Secondly it makes no sense for a scum player to play scummy on purpose and admit it, especially when you are going to face your lurky scum buddy in semis. I think that ON advancing to the semis would have forced the scumteam to bus him, not protecting him, but we don't know. Anyway you don't protect your scum buddy by trying to look worse than him. And at last I've found his post quality improving during D3.
I would like everybody to agree on this one. Right now, I think he is our confirmed town and I hope that you think so too.
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On October 20 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote: Cuz I'm not scum u silly. Don't worry I love being mislynched. It's the part of the game where in the past ive figured out who is scum.
The problem is that we cannot afford to mislynch anymore...
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I'm convinced that daoud is a newb town. I want to persuade everybody so it's also the case. So could you please answer these questions in my quote ? I'm hoping daoud to come back and to start posting again.
On October 19 2012 23:36 Djodref wrote:@HopelessHopeless, I've almost managed to totally changed my mind about you. I'm waiting for the NK to be sure. I'll explain at the beginning of D3. So I'm begging you to change your mind about daoud. Right now, I think at 95% that he is town. He is the perfect mislynch. Please remember that obvious scum is usually town Also I would like to have you input regarding my latest points on Hiro's filter. At least, I want you to answer the following questions - What do you think is saying daoud's partner in the mafia QT ?
- What do you think about this post+ Show Spoiler +
On October 12 2012 16:59 da0ud wrote: H1 vs ON : It bothers me as well that ON doesnt seem to care very much and has posted only a few messages. Most of them being useless (like his phone being dead for 24hrs, the panic votes). Since then nothing has been posted and I agree that it seems odd for someone from town not to participate in the lynching process as it is its only real way of finding scum. I would expect even more a townie to participate if he is still on for lynching. It makes sense for mafia not to worry about advancing if his accomplices do manage to save him at any future round. H1 posts seems pretty coherent i am maybe too newbie to have a good read out of it. I haven't played no game with any of you in the past, and i actually don't really want to because i want to make myself an opinion out of your posts and not ur behaviour in other games. ?
I'm doing all this because we have to lynch correctly and consolidate. First of all, I want us to all agree to eliminate some targets to concentrate all our efforts to the remaining possibilities. I'm quite pissed off that we cannot lynch VE today and the lynch mechanics are clearly mafia favored. So we have to get it right !
I'm ok to discuss daoud before deciding if we really eliminate him from the possible targets or not. I hope he can come here to speak for himself.
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EBWOP: I want to persuade everybody that it is indeed the case
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I think we can get closer to a normal majority lynch if we all agree not to use the "friends" vote. The main problem is that the votes are hidden. We must vote in the thread accordingly when we send our vote PM.
It's pretty obvious that the mafia is going to lie about where they place their votes, this way they can easily achieve a mislynch. Because of the mylo situation and because of the lynch mechanics, it is absolutely primordial for us to consolidate.
That's why I want people to discuss and decide the following points first
- We should not use our "friends" vote today
- We should not lynch Hopeless today
- We should not lynch daoud today
If you think I'm wrong about some points, please let me know. The most important thing to me is for all of us to be on the same page. We have to come out with a common plan.
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im still hoping for a pardon claim...
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kush if you are here I really want you to make some comments about my points.
Right now, I'm leaning towards you or thrawn mafia with VE. I need you to participate in an efficient way. I don't want to get to much into scumhunting discussion right now because I want us to make up a plan first.
Obviously, the whole "do whatever you want with your lists" D3 lead to a debacle.
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@djodref I don't think D3 really went that bad, but given that there is no chance for a no lynch, I agree that we should try to make a plan for today. However, I think using the friend votes will be useful. They're public and should be manipulable, it's only the foe votes that are hidden. As a default I'd say to protect yourself with your friend vote. Since I think everyone agrees that I'm town, I'm willing to defend whichever of kush/thrawn I don't use my foe-vote on to try and keep scum from pushing the other case as a mislynch. I realize that if I have the wrong read this is a potentially terrible idea if only one of them is scum and I choose wrong.
My current "friend" vote choices are between myself and djodref. Can't vote for VE Still kind of want to have da0ud killed, but I think we're better off going through austin's and mmt's case to see who we want to lynch out of thrawn/kush.
I also want to see what VE has to say about his pardon, but I doubt it really has a big effect, if any, on who we choose to lynch today.
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@Hopeless
I didn't realize than you could use your friend vote on yourself. I have to think about how we can use it. I'm confident that we could get everyone agreeing that you are most likely (like 95%) town.
I have to read the whole thread again...
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I think everybody should friend himself then. It should be the best solution.
But I'm concerned about the extra friends vote it gives to VE...
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its public so i'm not too worried about it. I'm headed out for the night. I'll take a stance on who I want to push tomorrow morning.
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will foe votes be revealed after the lynch?
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eliminate djodref eliminate hopeless1der i guess even though I think people reading too much into the d1 stuff. Daoud I guess I could see him being scum but I think he's town.
Is that what you wanted me to do djoddref? The thing that has me worried is this pardon. If it was mafia why wouldn't they pardon thrawn? It does not make any sense to me. But yeah I still think we should lynch thrawn, because we don't know the nature of this pardon at all. I have thought that for a really long time before anyone else, and I still think it. VE really needs to explain wtf is going on. We are missing his input and we really need it.
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On October 20 2012 11:26 thrawn2112 wrote: will foe votes be revealed after the lynch? very scummy question. Asking for your scumbro?
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