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Decendos
Germany1338 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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Ordien
Denmark34 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3666 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Lol I found your post quite funny... | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
TL experts say so. /edit Not saying I buy what OP has posted up. But the response from some people here with no real justification for foreign Terran performance. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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sieksdekciw
240 Posts
On August 01 2012 18:19 Naphal wrote: zerg and protoss on the other hand see success (and a good amount of it if you look around) without even coming close to the best players of their race, terran is undoubtly UP below the prolevel (and even there below the toptier level), and the worrysome part is, that even at the highest level we have hints of imbalance. Yes. According to most people, balance is 50% win rate. Imagine a game where people race each other.here are only two types of cars: a slow crappy one (terran), and a nice fast one (zerg and toss). You have two racers: an 30 year racing veteran (terran) and a retarded person (the toss/zerg). You place the good guy in the crappy car, and the retarded guy in the nice car. Since the veteran knows how to drive, he just wins the race. The community is not happy about it, and to even things out, the race organizers (Blizzard) give the retarded person (the zerg/toss) an even better car, one that steers itself and has turbo engines. This time, the race is won by the retarded guy. According to statistics, we have a 50% balance. The racers are both high level (since they are the only two raceres) and they have between them 50% win rate. Everything is legit, right? But is it really fair to the race veteran that he is in the crappy car? Is it fair that a person who is 10 times more talented, 10 times more hard working, is losing to a guy who can't even start the crappy car? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
Also, if you're reading this Blizzard, make the barracks build time 60 seconds again. : ( | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On August 01 2012 07:31 MCXD wrote: This is actually misleading, because terran is very underrepresented in america and europe (esp at high levels). Regardless of balance, it's expected statistically that there would be less terrans. For that reason alone, the statistics here can't be trusted to make the point that terran is underpowered. Furthermore, if you look at korean matchup statistics recently, everything is actually pretty close to 50%. Maybe you ought to question why they would be underrepresented, then? | ||
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brobrah
220 Posts
On August 01 2012 19:44 sieksdekciw wrote: Yes. According to most people, balance is 50% win rate. Imagine a game where people race each other.here are only two types of cars: a slow crappy one (terran), and a nice fast one (zerg and toss). You have two racers: an 30 year racing veteran (terran) and a retarded person (the toss/zerg). You place the good guy in the crappy car, and the retarded guy in the nice car. Since the veteran knows how to drive, he just wins the race. The community is not happy about it, and to even things out, the race organizers (Blizzard) give the retarded person (the zerg/toss) an even better car, one that steers itself and has turbo engines. This time, the race is won by the retarded guy. According to statistics, we have a 50% balance. The racers are both high level (since they are the only two raceres) and they have between them 50% win rate. Everything is legit, right? But is it really fair to the race veteran that he is in the crappy car? Is it fair that a person who is 10 times more talented, 10 times more hard working, is losing to a guy who can't even start the crappy car? You're implying Blizzard doesn't pay attention to their own matchmaking system. They take MMR into account when calculating statistics. Give them at least some credit. | ||
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megid
Brazil142 Posts
Blizzard know the balance is a crap actually but they don't give a single fuck, we need do the same. Lemme try draw this: Blizzard don't care and they want just money ( they already prove it many times), Hots is coming out and there is no point spend hours of developers trying to fix something that will be changed no matter what. If you are a Blizzard fanboy i respect it, i was one too, but don't blame my opinion. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Toadily
United States837 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On August 01 2012 19:44 sieksdekciw wrote: Yes. According to most people, balance is 50% win rate. Imagine a game where people race each other.here are only two types of cars: a slow crappy one (terran), and a nice fast one (zerg and toss). You have two racers: an 30 year racing veteran (terran) and a retarded person (the toss/zerg). You place the good guy in the crappy car, and the retarded guy in the nice car. Since the veteran knows how to drive, he just wins the race. The community is not happy about it, and to even things out, the race organizers (Blizzard) give the retarded person (the zerg/toss) an even better car, one that steers itself and has turbo engines. This time, the race is won by the retarded guy. According to statistics, we have a 50% balance. The racers are both high level (since they are the only two raceres) and they have between them 50% win rate. Everything is legit, right? But is it really fair to the race veteran that he is in the crappy car? Is it fair that a person who is 10 times more talented, 10 times more hard working, is losing to a guy who can't even start the crappy car? Not the case at all. The QQ needs to stop, everyone should just play there best and if a race is "im-balanced" make up for it in skill. That's what everyone who does well in a time of terran, zerg, or protoss dominance has to do, but the QQ will never stop. | ||
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Wayne123
88 Posts
The game can never be imbalanced for one simple reason: You can choose the race you want to play. If you think that your race is underpowered, just play the race which is, in your opinion, more powerful.(If you are intrested in winning.) Even if Barracks would costs 1000 Minerals and T could never win a game unless the enemy Z/P is AFK, there would be no imbalance because you choose to play Terran. You can easly pick Z/P and try to win these races. There´s no one forcing players to pick a certain race. | ||
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megid
Brazil142 Posts
On August 01 2012 20:24 Wayne123 wrote: I don´t think there´s any imbalance at SC2 at all and there will never be any imbalance. I don´t think that statistics about tournament winners and the past few months/years matter at all. The game can never be imbalanced for one simple reason: You can choose the race you want to play. If you think that your race is underpowered, just play the race which is, in your opinion, more powerful.(If you are intrested in winning.) Even if Barracks would costs 1000 Minerals and T could never win a game unless the enemy Z/P is AFK, there would be no imbalance because you choose to play Terran. You can easly pick Z/P and try to win these races. There´s no one forcing players to pick a certain race. So if there is no imbalance ever, Blizzard can fire all their balance team i think. I don't agree, every game has imperfections for competition, it's pretty normal to a software who involve this type of thing. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
cause you guys wont stop crying and sooner or later blizzard will do something instead of waiting until a player comes with a solution. you don't get a balanced game with crying for a balance patch 24/7. | ||
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
On August 01 2012 07:37 Detri wrote: What people seem to forget is that a lot of the best players in Korea play terran, due to boxer. They would be good with any race. Could you imagine taeja microing mutas? or storms? Or gumiho's multitasking with a warp prism and ling runbys?? Exactly what I was going to say. You can't judge balance by these results. Balance needs time. There are less Terran players around but that doesn't mean the race is terrible. It means since the queen buff, they need to do other things but just don't. | ||
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